Hi All,
I have a total work experience of 7 years. I have recently joined a very renowned company on Jan 9th, 2014. The company's procedure is to conduct a background check for all employees and only then provide an appointment letter.
In brief, here's what has happened - I have completed distance education B.Com from EIILM University, Sikkim (Eastern Institute of Learning and Management). My current company follows vendor verification (verification vendor name: Supersoft Consultants). While doing a BVC for me, the verification vendor received a reply from the university that it will take 90 days to confirm. My HR came back to me stating we can't wait for so long and requested me to speak to someone from the university to expedite the process. I have never been to Sikkim and was in touch with an institute in Mumbai, from where I took exams (Premier institute - Primeindia). My institute people did everything to ensure confirmation through emails and telephonic conversations with my company's HR to convince them that my graduation is valid and EIILM University is UGC recognized. Prime India is willing to provide any document stating the same. However, in the meantime, one of the existing employees (a person of a similar designation to mine) complained to HR that my graduation is fake and accused me of confessing it to him.
The HR called me for a meeting and informed me of the complaint received and the delay in university response, stating that I cannot continue. They gave me a week's time to leave and rejoin if the university replies. They interrogated me in a rude manner, asking about the subjects I studied, exam dates, etc., which was a nightmare and very embarrassing. I requested to stay until the university replies.
The institute through which I appeared for the university insists that their response should be considered. However, my HR is firm on obtaining a reply from the university as soon as possible.
Meanwhile, to prove the validity of my certificates, I applied for an MBA at recognized postgraduate institutes like ICFAI, IIBM, etc. I sent them scanned copies of all 3 years and asked for validation. Upon receiving positive replies, I forwarded them to my company's HR. Their response mentioned they received an interim response from the verification vendor and are waiting for the final response before confirming if any further documentation is required.
Now, it has been days, and it seems the company HR is not concerned with issuing an appointment letter or verifying document validity. I am unsure whether to search for other jobs or wait for a resolution. Despite multiple attempts to contact the HR, I have been unsuccessful. Their behavior towards me is demotivating, especially considering my managerial role where job changes are not easy.
Are company HRs allowed to interrogate an employee in this manner?
From India, Mumbai
I have a total work experience of 7 years. I have recently joined a very renowned company on Jan 9th, 2014. The company's procedure is to conduct a background check for all employees and only then provide an appointment letter.
In brief, here's what has happened - I have completed distance education B.Com from EIILM University, Sikkim (Eastern Institute of Learning and Management). My current company follows vendor verification (verification vendor name: Supersoft Consultants). While doing a BVC for me, the verification vendor received a reply from the university that it will take 90 days to confirm. My HR came back to me stating we can't wait for so long and requested me to speak to someone from the university to expedite the process. I have never been to Sikkim and was in touch with an institute in Mumbai, from where I took exams (Premier institute - Primeindia). My institute people did everything to ensure confirmation through emails and telephonic conversations with my company's HR to convince them that my graduation is valid and EIILM University is UGC recognized. Prime India is willing to provide any document stating the same. However, in the meantime, one of the existing employees (a person of a similar designation to mine) complained to HR that my graduation is fake and accused me of confessing it to him.
The HR called me for a meeting and informed me of the complaint received and the delay in university response, stating that I cannot continue. They gave me a week's time to leave and rejoin if the university replies. They interrogated me in a rude manner, asking about the subjects I studied, exam dates, etc., which was a nightmare and very embarrassing. I requested to stay until the university replies.
The institute through which I appeared for the university insists that their response should be considered. However, my HR is firm on obtaining a reply from the university as soon as possible.
Meanwhile, to prove the validity of my certificates, I applied for an MBA at recognized postgraduate institutes like ICFAI, IIBM, etc. I sent them scanned copies of all 3 years and asked for validation. Upon receiving positive replies, I forwarded them to my company's HR. Their response mentioned they received an interim response from the verification vendor and are waiting for the final response before confirming if any further documentation is required.
Now, it has been days, and it seems the company HR is not concerned with issuing an appointment letter or verifying document validity. I am unsure whether to search for other jobs or wait for a resolution. Despite multiple attempts to contact the HR, I have been unsuccessful. Their behavior towards me is demotivating, especially considering my managerial role where job changes are not easy.
Are company HRs allowed to interrogate an employee in this manner?
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Vruty,
I must say, you have the bravery to endure this situation, and I am puzzled by the events unfolding in Mumbai. I am now deeply concerned about verifying the background of the HR personnel involved, to ensure they understand the importance of "Education Verification." I apologize for being critical in my response.
Firstly, refusing to issue an appointment letter due to a delay in the background check by the company's agency, for any reason, is an unfounded reason to deny an employee's fundamental rights. In fact, the appointment letter should have been issued on the day the employee was asked to join the company. A clause could always be included stating that if the education certificate is found to be "Fake," the appointment letter could be considered void. In my 20 years of service, this is the first time I have encountered a company denying an appointment letter due to an issue with education certificates. While I have heard of cases involving "Experience Certificates," education certificates are new to me. In India, we have a robust system for verifying fake and genuine universities and their certificates, and I am at a loss as to how they can act like "educated illiterates."
My advice:
1. Arrange a meeting with the HR Manager and request the immediate issuance of your appointment letter. If there are concerns from the subordinate and agency regarding the university's response, include a clause to protect their interests.
2. Notify your HR department that the university verification process will be conducted according to the university's rules, system, and procedures. This could take 90 days or even 6 months, or they may need to reapply.
3. The incompetence of the HR department and the agency in obtaining verification is being unfairly passed on to you by requiring you to visit the university and do their job. This approach is not only unprofessional but also emotionally distressing and embarrassing. It is unacceptable and disrespectful.
Having said that, as someone in a managerial position, do not tolerate the unprofessional behavior of the HR individual. Be professional, uphold your dignity, and address the situation without being rude. While we all have jobs to do, it should not come at the expense of someone else's dignity.
Good luck.
Umitra
P.S.: Contact your university and inquire about the "Degree Verification Section." Before contacting them, request details from HR such as the "Courier Name and AWB No.," "Date of Dispatch," "DD No. for verification payment," "Bank Name," "Date," and "Agency Name." You do not need to visit the university. Sometimes a phone call can be helpful in obtaining the necessary information.
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
306I must say, you have the bravery to endure this situation, and I am puzzled by the events unfolding in Mumbai. I am now deeply concerned about verifying the background of the HR personnel involved, to ensure they understand the importance of "Education Verification." I apologize for being critical in my response.
Firstly, refusing to issue an appointment letter due to a delay in the background check by the company's agency, for any reason, is an unfounded reason to deny an employee's fundamental rights. In fact, the appointment letter should have been issued on the day the employee was asked to join the company. A clause could always be included stating that if the education certificate is found to be "Fake," the appointment letter could be considered void. In my 20 years of service, this is the first time I have encountered a company denying an appointment letter due to an issue with education certificates. While I have heard of cases involving "Experience Certificates," education certificates are new to me. In India, we have a robust system for verifying fake and genuine universities and their certificates, and I am at a loss as to how they can act like "educated illiterates."
My advice:
1. Arrange a meeting with the HR Manager and request the immediate issuance of your appointment letter. If there are concerns from the subordinate and agency regarding the university's response, include a clause to protect their interests.
2. Notify your HR department that the university verification process will be conducted according to the university's rules, system, and procedures. This could take 90 days or even 6 months, or they may need to reapply.
3. The incompetence of the HR department and the agency in obtaining verification is being unfairly passed on to you by requiring you to visit the university and do their job. This approach is not only unprofessional but also emotionally distressing and embarrassing. It is unacceptable and disrespectful.
Having said that, as someone in a managerial position, do not tolerate the unprofessional behavior of the HR individual. Be professional, uphold your dignity, and address the situation without being rude. While we all have jobs to do, it should not come at the expense of someone else's dignity.
Good luck.
Umitra
P.S.: Contact your university and inquire about the "Degree Verification Section." Before contacting them, request details from HR such as the "Courier Name and AWB No.," "Date of Dispatch," "DD No. for verification payment," "Bank Name," "Date," and "Agency Name." You do not need to visit the university. Sometimes a phone call can be helpful in obtaining the necessary information.
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
Thank you so much Ukmitra.. Really appreciate it.. N m happy to find out m not wrong here. Will sure do the same and keep it posted Regards, Vrunda Thakkar
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Dear,
After reading your story, I just don't get why HR members wake up now for verification. Where were they during your joining time? It is HR personnel's responsibility to check and verify everything before hiring any employee. No need to worry now; just continue your work peacefully. In my 7 years of career in the HR field as a Senior Executive HR, I didn't encounter such a case or such rude behavior.
From India, Mumbai
After reading your story, I just don't get why HR members wake up now for verification. Where were they during your joining time? It is HR personnel's responsibility to check and verify everything before hiring any employee. No need to worry now; just continue your work peacefully. In my 7 years of career in the HR field as a Senior Executive HR, I didn't encounter such a case or such rude behavior.
From India, Mumbai
Actually, I tried avoiding their looks and concentrated on my job. However, it's not easy to ignore without being responded to. It's like a hanging sword on your desk. You never know when it will fall - will it fall sharp on you? Will it go blunt? It's all fading out without any solution.
I tried calling the HR manager; she mentioned that her executives have documented that I did not answer adequately or correctly about my education when interrogated. She has also kept things on hold until the university replies :-(
From India, Mumbai
I tried calling the HR manager; she mentioned that her executives have documented that I did not answer adequately or correctly about my education when interrogated. She has also kept things on hold until the university replies :-(
From India, Mumbai
OK, fine. Can you provide me with the details I need, and then I will pursue a solution through legal means?
What documents do they provide you with when you join? Do they offer an employment letter or anything else?
Do they issue any paperwork or an identity card that you can use to prove that you are an employee of this organization?
On what basis do you accept their offer letter to join?
From India, Mumbai
What documents do they provide you with when you join? Do they offer an employment letter or anything else?
Do they issue any paperwork or an identity card that you can use to prove that you are an employee of this organization?
On what basis do you accept their offer letter to join?
From India, Mumbai
Yes. Before joining, the gave the letter of intent.. And then, icard n access card too.. But ot appointment letter
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Dear Ukmitra,
I had a word with the HR manager, and as mentioned in my previous post, things are documented against me stating I did not provide relevant/sufficient answers about my education-related questions asked by the HRs. She's waiting until the university replies on it.
Also note that, I researched on the EIILM University website and have mailed them requesting to reply asap, describing the current situation on their info and support IDs. I have only received an auto-response stating it will take 4 weeks for the mail to be responded to. I had kept read receipts on all the mails and can ensure that all of them were at least read, and thereby replied with an auto-response.
Meanwhile, I have also registered a complaint against the university stating the non-responsiveness that's causing my career insecurity in the consumer complaint forum.
From India, Mumbai
I had a word with the HR manager, and as mentioned in my previous post, things are documented against me stating I did not provide relevant/sufficient answers about my education-related questions asked by the HRs. She's waiting until the university replies on it.
Also note that, I researched on the EIILM University website and have mailed them requesting to reply asap, describing the current situation on their info and support IDs. I have only received an auto-response stating it will take 4 weeks for the mail to be responded to. I had kept read receipts on all the mails and can ensure that all of them were at least read, and thereby replied with an auto-response.
Meanwhile, I have also registered a complaint against the university stating the non-responsiveness that's causing my career insecurity in the consumer complaint forum.
From India, Mumbai
Hi Vrunda,
The response from the HR Manager is "laughable." How can someone give "irrelevant/insufficient information," and then the company issues you an offer letter and asks you to join? Are they insane or what? You know what... I am getting so irritated by this "Character in your office" :((.
Don't send an email. Call the university and get someone to talk to you. Emails do not work in our universities in India, neither does the "Grievance Cell." So, don't waste your time here. In the meantime, put down your request in an email to the manager. Verbal discussion does not hold good later for supporting your claims if they dismiss you.
Anyways, if you must keep the job, you have no option but to keep giving those "Highly educated HR personnel very high HOPES" that you are getting the verification and keep buying time from them. Verification report will take time, but you will get it. Wish you good luck.
Ukmitra
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
The response from the HR Manager is "laughable." How can someone give "irrelevant/insufficient information," and then the company issues you an offer letter and asks you to join? Are they insane or what? You know what... I am getting so irritated by this "Character in your office" :((.
Don't send an email. Call the university and get someone to talk to you. Emails do not work in our universities in India, neither does the "Grievance Cell." So, don't waste your time here. In the meantime, put down your request in an email to the manager. Verbal discussion does not hold good later for supporting your claims if they dismiss you.
Anyways, if you must keep the job, you have no option but to keep giving those "Highly educated HR personnel very high HOPES" that you are getting the verification and keep buying time from them. Verification report will take time, but you will get it. Wish you good luck.
Ukmitra
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
Firstly, try to convince your HOD or HR head and inform them that I have been working for the last 7 years. I have not committed any fraud during my tenure related to work or my certifications, so I need time to prove my educational certificates. Please give me some time. I have never committed any fraud with this organization.
After all of this, if they do not cooperate, write a simple application and submit it to the labor officer. This is the last option to save your job and reputation. Do not worry, you are in a strong position now. Before submitting this application, please email me so that if any corrections are needed, I can guide you. Best of luck.
From India, Mumbai
After all of this, if they do not cooperate, write a simple application and submit it to the labor officer. This is the last option to save your job and reputation. Do not worry, you are in a strong position now. Before submitting this application, please email me so that if any corrections are needed, I can guide you. Best of luck.
From India, Mumbai
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