One of my friend sent me this question. I would like the inputs from fellow members. Kindly guide.
Another guy and I, used to work for a "bad boss". You know the type - he will lie, cheat, steal, etc. if so inclined. This other guy quit, and after the "non-compete" period was up, he started his own "competing" company. His company grew enough to bring on additional help, and he offered me a job. I accepted his offer and turned in my notice to HR at the old company. A week later, this "bad boss" found out I was leaving to go work for this competing ex-employee and drummed up a number of bogus reasons to fire me and I was walked out 2 days earlier than planned.
I worked for the new employer for a year before the economy slowed down and I was laid off. My problem is in applying for new jobs. They ask "Have you ever been terminated? Explain". If I say "No" and they contact the "bad boss" company, will a "He was terminated" response make me look like a liar? If I say "Yes", what do I put for the "explain" when I was really terminated for planning to work for a competitor? Will the "potential employer" get my "bad bosses" bogus reasons for my "termination?
Please help.
Rdgs
Amit
How to Manage Human Resources! Global Trends in Human Resource Management
From India, Gurgaon
7Another guy and I, used to work for a "bad boss". You know the type - he will lie, cheat, steal, etc. if so inclined. This other guy quit, and after the "non-compete" period was up, he started his own "competing" company. His company grew enough to bring on additional help, and he offered me a job. I accepted his offer and turned in my notice to HR at the old company. A week later, this "bad boss" found out I was leaving to go work for this competing ex-employee and drummed up a number of bogus reasons to fire me and I was walked out 2 days earlier than planned.
I worked for the new employer for a year before the economy slowed down and I was laid off. My problem is in applying for new jobs. They ask "Have you ever been terminated? Explain". If I say "No" and they contact the "bad boss" company, will a "He was terminated" response make me look like a liar? If I say "Yes", what do I put for the "explain" when I was really terminated for planning to work for a competitor? Will the "potential employer" get my "bad bosses" bogus reasons for my "termination?
Please help.
Rdgs
Amit
How to Manage Human Resources! Global Trends in Human Resource Management
From India, Gurgaon
Hi Amit,
The only thing i can recommend is that you narrate this story to your potential new employers by being honest with them. Just dont mention how horrible your ex-boss was. Dont blame anyone but use words like "unfortunately, unluckily,"
Let them feel that you were wronged and you took the decision of joining your ex-colleague because of career enhancement and not because you did not like your old boss. tell them unfortunately your old company got wind of it and hence asked you to leave 2 days prior to completing the notice period. You can show them the copy of the resignation letter and the date of being terminated. it will work in your favour when they see there is only a two days difference.
Hope this helps
Regards
Kenneth Lewis
From India, Mumbai
The only thing i can recommend is that you narrate this story to your potential new employers by being honest with them. Just dont mention how horrible your ex-boss was. Dont blame anyone but use words like "unfortunately, unluckily,"
Let them feel that you were wronged and you took the decision of joining your ex-colleague because of career enhancement and not because you did not like your old boss. tell them unfortunately your old company got wind of it and hence asked you to leave 2 days prior to completing the notice period. You can show them the copy of the resignation letter and the date of being terminated. it will work in your favour when they see there is only a two days difference.
Hope this helps
Regards
Kenneth Lewis
From India, Mumbai
Thanks Kenneth for the response. These days companies are very aggressive in terms of Reference checking. In case they get the above information, how would I save myself?
Kindly guide.
Rgds
Amit
http://www.howtomanagehumanresources.blogspot.com/
From India, Gurgaon
Kindly guide.
Rgds
Amit
http://www.howtomanagehumanresources.blogspot.com/
From India, Gurgaon
Dear Better be straight. Say you were terminated after you expressed your intent to quit. With Regards V.Sounder Rajan E-mail : rajanassociates@eth.net,
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
well tell the truth before they find out the truth....that is the only escape...
Truth be told, you will find your self at ease, you may want to warn the HR of the new company you are joining that the ref check will come as termintated though you spent only two days less of your notice period, so in effect you resigned before you could be fired.
Any HR person would understand that especially when you have proof.
regards
Kenneth
From India, Mumbai
Truth be told, you will find your self at ease, you may want to warn the HR of the new company you are joining that the ref check will come as termintated though you spent only two days less of your notice period, so in effect you resigned before you could be fired.
Any HR person would understand that especially when you have proof.
regards
Kenneth
From India, Mumbai
Its a tough situation, u need to say truth to the future co but also give some reff of your last co colleagues (who are good to you and who actually know your worth) except the bad boss.
From India, Hyderabad
From India, Hyderabad
Hi Amit , Can you pls let me know whether you already resigned before you were terminated , because as per the law no one can terminate you once you have alreay put down your papers. Regds, Vyakhya
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
Hey Amit,
Vyakha is right. Technically, you can't be fired because you had already put in your papers.
Besides, if you say to your potential employer that you have been terminated earlier, they are never ever going to take you in, it's a fact. And on the top of that if you have a relieving letter, you always have something to fall back upon.
You are true when you say that companies are now a days aggressive about reference check but you have a good referee and a bad referee and you may just pass through it because even background screening guys don't believe 100% of what the past employer says.
Your best bet is that you don't tell your potential employer about your termination, go through the reference check, hope that you pass through it, if it doesn't work then tell them how it happened and while doing this keep some proof such as any appreciation letter or promotion letter etc. to strengthen you argument. Corporate world is not about being moral to Ghandian extent, when companies are not why should you be!
Wishing you luck.
Regards
Team GroupHR
From India, Delhi
Vyakha is right. Technically, you can't be fired because you had already put in your papers.
Besides, if you say to your potential employer that you have been terminated earlier, they are never ever going to take you in, it's a fact. And on the top of that if you have a relieving letter, you always have something to fall back upon.
You are true when you say that companies are now a days aggressive about reference check but you have a good referee and a bad referee and you may just pass through it because even background screening guys don't believe 100% of what the past employer says.
Your best bet is that you don't tell your potential employer about your termination, go through the reference check, hope that you pass through it, if it doesn't work then tell them how it happened and while doing this keep some proof such as any appreciation letter or promotion letter etc. to strengthen you argument. Corporate world is not about being moral to Ghandian extent, when companies are not why should you be!
Wishing you luck.
Regards
Team GroupHR
From India, Delhi
HI!
As per my knowledge-
I don't think the new employer will trust him. releasing an offer is not a one-man job..it includes 2 or 3 levels of HR, then technical panel, and many more according to the size of the company. Even if some one gets convinced by this, another person might overrule his decision, since many candidates have a similar story.This situation make them think that what is the gurantee that in future this candidate will build good relation in our company(Manager), I am also searching for this solution :)
Vijayeta
From India, Gurgaon
As per my knowledge-
I don't think the new employer will trust him. releasing an offer is not a one-man job..it includes 2 or 3 levels of HR, then technical panel, and many more according to the size of the company. Even if some one gets convinced by this, another person might overrule his decision, since many candidates have a similar story.This situation make them think that what is the gurantee that in future this candidate will build good relation in our company(Manager), I am also searching for this solution :)
Vijayeta
From India, Gurgaon
Hi Amit
I think it would be good enough if you just clear up the things rt at the first go...that means when u first go for the interview n come across this kind of que/ instance, just clearly mention that this kind of situation occured n u nvr had any other option left...also mention tht it was unfortunate at ur part tht this thg hapd wth you but still truth is better to be told rather than hiding it or manipulating it...
From India, New Delhi
I think it would be good enough if you just clear up the things rt at the first go...that means when u first go for the interview n come across this kind of que/ instance, just clearly mention that this kind of situation occured n u nvr had any other option left...also mention tht it was unfortunate at ur part tht this thg hapd wth you but still truth is better to be told rather than hiding it or manipulating it...
From India, New Delhi
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