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:) Don't mention thanks... please. I consider it as my duty as an Indian to another Indian. I really don't want to get people in trouble.
There are some specific positions which seldom recruit candidates directly from other countries without experience in the Middle East. Administration staff is one of them.
It is said companies don't charge for visas. If known by authorities, the company will be in trouble. Still, you readers should know what is happening in reality. When employees/labour are required in bulk, the authorized person (usually the admin manager of the company) contacts the local manpower supplier. This supplier should have contacts in India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka & Pakistan, etc.
The company representative (admin manager here) contacts the local agent and informs that they need 50 unskilled and 25 skilled laborers. If this order is given to this specific agency, how much can they pay him! The normal offer is AED 4000-5000 for each unskilled visa and AED 2500-3500 for skilled laborers. The local manpower supplier will contact the overseas manpower supplier with a demand of AED 500 extra for each visa. The manpower supplier overseas demands double or even triple times this amount from the job applicant!! (The best price for a visa paid from Bangladesh, 300,000 to 500,000 DAKA is paid by the job seeker for a 'HELPER's visa!)
After all of these negotiations, the local manpower supply agent arranges the travel arrangements for company representatives to conduct interviews (usually 3 persons, 3-star facility stay in the city, including an air ticket offered by the overseas agent). The overseas agent will handle all formalities. Only the final interview is done by company representatives. Money will be collected by the overseas agent, and they will transfer the amount to the local agent later.
This is how visas are becoming more expensive!
Normally, company owners are unaware of these practices. There are very crooked company owners who know this trick. They directly demand visa fees from suppliers.
Actually, the total cost of VISA + LABOR CARD + HEALTH CARD + INSURANCE for one person for 3 years is AED 3150 in UAE from March 2009.
I described above the recruitment process of skilled and unskilled laborers from overseas.
No company charges a visa fee for staff categories. They are usually recruited from local markets after conducting a minimum of 2-3 interviews. All expenses are borne by the companies.
Please feel free to contact me if anybody needs further clarification in this regard!
BEWARE! If any of your unskilled relatives want to come to the Middle East with a 'Helper' visa, please don't send them. That will be their journey to SLAVERY! :(
From Djibouti
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7:) Don't mention thanks... please. I consider it as my duty as an Indian to another Indian. I really don't want to get people in trouble.
There are some specific positions which seldom recruit candidates directly from other countries without experience in the Middle East. Administration staff is one of them.
It is said companies don't charge for visas. If known by authorities, the company will be in trouble. Still, you readers should know what is happening in reality. When employees/labour are required in bulk, the authorized person (usually the admin manager of the company) contacts the local manpower supplier. This supplier should have contacts in India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka & Pakistan, etc.
The company representative (admin manager here) contacts the local agent and informs that they need 50 unskilled and 25 skilled laborers. If this order is given to this specific agency, how much can they pay him! The normal offer is AED 4000-5000 for each unskilled visa and AED 2500-3500 for skilled laborers. The local manpower supplier will contact the overseas manpower supplier with a demand of AED 500 extra for each visa. The manpower supplier overseas demands double or even triple times this amount from the job applicant!! (The best price for a visa paid from Bangladesh, 300,000 to 500,000 DAKA is paid by the job seeker for a 'HELPER's visa!)
After all of these negotiations, the local manpower supply agent arranges the travel arrangements for company representatives to conduct interviews (usually 3 persons, 3-star facility stay in the city, including an air ticket offered by the overseas agent). The overseas agent will handle all formalities. Only the final interview is done by company representatives. Money will be collected by the overseas agent, and they will transfer the amount to the local agent later.
This is how visas are becoming more expensive!
Normally, company owners are unaware of these practices. There are very crooked company owners who know this trick. They directly demand visa fees from suppliers.
Actually, the total cost of VISA + LABOR CARD + HEALTH CARD + INSURANCE for one person for 3 years is AED 3150 in UAE from March 2009.
I described above the recruitment process of skilled and unskilled laborers from overseas.
No company charges a visa fee for staff categories. They are usually recruited from local markets after conducting a minimum of 2-3 interviews. All expenses are borne by the companies.
Please feel free to contact me if anybody needs further clarification in this regard!
BEWARE! If any of your unskilled relatives want to come to the Middle East with a 'Helper' visa, please don't send them. That will be their journey to SLAVERY! :(
From Djibouti
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Hi Vishal,
You can email me at gsarojwal@yahoo.co.in. I may be able to help you in some way, but since I have not personally visited the UAE, I do not have a deep insight into this "kabootarbaazi." Perhaps someone like Mammu can mentor you.
From India, New Delhi
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You can email me at gsarojwal@yahoo.co.in. I may be able to help you in some way, but since I have not personally visited the UAE, I do not have a deep insight into this "kabootarbaazi." Perhaps someone like Mammu can mentor you.
From India, New Delhi
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Hey Mr.Anshwish, can you suggest me with some good consultancies in Hyderabad for the job search in overseas.
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Dear Nisha, Do you have any openings, abroad for 2yrs exp in HR field. can you pls give me your mail id so that i can forward my resume to it. Thanks, Mateen.
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Dear Nisha, Do you have any openings, abroad for 2yrs exp in HR field. can you pls give me your mail id so that i can forward my resume to it. Thanks, Mateen.
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Hi Vishal,
Other members have shared really good information on Thread.
It’s true fresher would most probably be offered Administrative job in the Gulf & UAE regions.
As Mammu007 (nice Takhallus Ah!!) has mentioned, Administrative work is major part of HR Department in these regions. The only reason is that major percentage of their workforce is foreigners. Knowledge of Arabic would not be MUST but for sure it’s DESIRABLE requirement.
In fact for any country or state in India, HR personnel with knowledge of local language is preferred J
Visa processing and all these basically admin work not HR. That’s why HR Administrative job title is very common here (major administrative plus HR job activities)
However, experienced HR professionals are being offered other than Administrative jobs too (Training, OD etc.). Its all about one’s past experience. In fact it’s the same kind of practice in India. HR theories are same all over the world and so HR practices and initiatives with little local impact. Only the differences are in local labour law requirements and some administrative practices.
Well, it’s true agents do charge or collect money job offers and visa in these regions. However, its for unskilled, semiskilled or labourer jobs. In fact the some companies ask their recruitment partner to collect it specially from Bangaladeshi and Nepalies, as workers from these countries have shown practice of running away back to their country or to another companies and work illegally. However, companies pay them back the collected amount on their completion of 1-2 year in the employment.
Companies have practice to bare all cost of visa, traveling and relocating for staff category employees. You being MBA graduate, you would be in this cadre. I suggest, you should not pay any amount to for such visa. Company would take care the visa process, travelling arrangements. Unless, as mentioned by somebody earlier that you can get your free visa (same like HSMP for UK, H1B for USA or PR for Australia), get into the country and search for job.
Having own visa rather than company sponsored is generally a better deal and brings you more opportunities too. As sometimes companies may not be in position to offer visa (their approved visa quota get finish too), or they can avoid visa cost, save visa processing time and can get candidate who is already familiar with local culture. So in such cases having own visa bring you more opportunities.
In fact, this is my third oversea country and third continent too. My experience says companies are always willing to pay for visa and all other cost as long as they are getting the right personal and their country’s Labour ministry a lot Visa. My first jobs after completing my MBA was an oversea job and have not paid any amount for visa for any of these jobs.
It’s true, I had lost good opportunies for not having own visa or permission work in “that country” , but one can always find another company from another country to offer you. It all about how flexible one is.
It generally takes 2-4 months time to search such job. I would suggest you; be persistent for searching your oversea dream job and sooner or later you will get it. At least such persistent search had worked for Mee J .
Please remember, for fresher getting job within India is not that easy. So searching FIRST oversea job may be tougher experience for fresher. I feel its relevantly easier for technical job than management.
Once you have oversea job experience stamp on you resume, it should be easy for you to get attention of other foreign employers. For experience, you can also try oversea long term (min 1 yr)paid INTERNSHIP. Companies do appoint fresher under this internship programs and than offer them long term and fast track career based on their performance during internship. Actually, companies treat them as equivalent to other employees and offer challenging assignments. You may search on internet, nowadays its much easier to find internship than 5-6 yrs back.
For searching job in Eurpore, knowing local language would be very much desired with having own visa. Rest other develop countries too, they can get foreign candidates with work visa available locally (like uk, usa) than why company would go expensive visa processes unless you have some very special skills, competencies to offer. However, Internship program can help you to enter in those countries easily J
Ohh!!! Long posting Ah J Hope I could give clear views on your all queries and confusions.
Amish Bhatt
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
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Other members have shared really good information on Thread.
It’s true fresher would most probably be offered Administrative job in the Gulf & UAE regions.
As Mammu007 (nice Takhallus Ah!!) has mentioned, Administrative work is major part of HR Department in these regions. The only reason is that major percentage of their workforce is foreigners. Knowledge of Arabic would not be MUST but for sure it’s DESIRABLE requirement.
In fact for any country or state in India, HR personnel with knowledge of local language is preferred J
Visa processing and all these basically admin work not HR. That’s why HR Administrative job title is very common here (major administrative plus HR job activities)
However, experienced HR professionals are being offered other than Administrative jobs too (Training, OD etc.). Its all about one’s past experience. In fact it’s the same kind of practice in India. HR theories are same all over the world and so HR practices and initiatives with little local impact. Only the differences are in local labour law requirements and some administrative practices.
Well, it’s true agents do charge or collect money job offers and visa in these regions. However, its for unskilled, semiskilled or labourer jobs. In fact the some companies ask their recruitment partner to collect it specially from Bangaladeshi and Nepalies, as workers from these countries have shown practice of running away back to their country or to another companies and work illegally. However, companies pay them back the collected amount on their completion of 1-2 year in the employment.
Companies have practice to bare all cost of visa, traveling and relocating for staff category employees. You being MBA graduate, you would be in this cadre. I suggest, you should not pay any amount to for such visa. Company would take care the visa process, travelling arrangements. Unless, as mentioned by somebody earlier that you can get your free visa (same like HSMP for UK, H1B for USA or PR for Australia), get into the country and search for job.
Having own visa rather than company sponsored is generally a better deal and brings you more opportunities too. As sometimes companies may not be in position to offer visa (their approved visa quota get finish too), or they can avoid visa cost, save visa processing time and can get candidate who is already familiar with local culture. So in such cases having own visa bring you more opportunities.
In fact, this is my third oversea country and third continent too. My experience says companies are always willing to pay for visa and all other cost as long as they are getting the right personal and their country’s Labour ministry a lot Visa. My first jobs after completing my MBA was an oversea job and have not paid any amount for visa for any of these jobs.
It’s true, I had lost good opportunies for not having own visa or permission work in “that country” , but one can always find another company from another country to offer you. It all about how flexible one is.
It generally takes 2-4 months time to search such job. I would suggest you; be persistent for searching your oversea dream job and sooner or later you will get it. At least such persistent search had worked for Mee J .
Please remember, for fresher getting job within India is not that easy. So searching FIRST oversea job may be tougher experience for fresher. I feel its relevantly easier for technical job than management.
Once you have oversea job experience stamp on you resume, it should be easy for you to get attention of other foreign employers. For experience, you can also try oversea long term (min 1 yr)paid INTERNSHIP. Companies do appoint fresher under this internship programs and than offer them long term and fast track career based on their performance during internship. Actually, companies treat them as equivalent to other employees and offer challenging assignments. You may search on internet, nowadays its much easier to find internship than 5-6 yrs back.
For searching job in Eurpore, knowing local language would be very much desired with having own visa. Rest other develop countries too, they can get foreign candidates with work visa available locally (like uk, usa) than why company would go expensive visa processes unless you have some very special skills, competencies to offer. However, Internship program can help you to enter in those countries easily J
Ohh!!! Long posting Ah J Hope I could give clear views on your all queries and confusions.
Amish Bhatt
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
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This thread deviates from its root!:huh: The starter should have tired reading replies. By the way, "The free Visa system" is not applicable in UAE.
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hello mirza, 1st of all i am not Mr. I am Ms. but no worries many have the same impression. Well find attached the doc for recruitment consultancies. All the Best
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Hi,
Pardon for the late reply due to the long weekend. I would like to thank all the HR fraternities who are replying to this post and helping inexperienced professionals like me. I am especially thankful to Mr. M. Sadiq (Mammu007) to whom I sent the mail. After his cross-check and evaluation, the outcome on offer helped me to escape from this trap. The explanation of the fake offer is really useful to others who are receiving the same kind of emails. His informative post, "Why is Visa getting expensive?" really gives insight into what is happening behind the curtains. Definitely, this would help us spend our hard-earned money wisely.
Ms. Anshwish, I am glad you understand my keen interest in working abroad, and I am convinced by your and others' suggestions that expertise is the key to venturing overseas. Working conditions in different countries should also be taken into consideration when making a blueprint of future plans. It would be great if we could get more details in this post regarding working conditions, necessary information, and formalities in various countries.
Thanking all who have replied and expecting some more knowledge regarding this issue.
Regards,
Vishal Dogra
From India, Bangalore
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Pardon for the late reply due to the long weekend. I would like to thank all the HR fraternities who are replying to this post and helping inexperienced professionals like me. I am especially thankful to Mr. M. Sadiq (Mammu007) to whom I sent the mail. After his cross-check and evaluation, the outcome on offer helped me to escape from this trap. The explanation of the fake offer is really useful to others who are receiving the same kind of emails. His informative post, "Why is Visa getting expensive?" really gives insight into what is happening behind the curtains. Definitely, this would help us spend our hard-earned money wisely.
Ms. Anshwish, I am glad you understand my keen interest in working abroad, and I am convinced by your and others' suggestions that expertise is the key to venturing overseas. Working conditions in different countries should also be taken into consideration when making a blueprint of future plans. It would be great if we could get more details in this post regarding working conditions, necessary information, and formalities in various countries.
Thanking all who have replied and expecting some more knowledge regarding this issue.
Regards,
Vishal Dogra
From India, Bangalore
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Hi Vishal,
I just saw your post. I have no idea about it, and I think it would be easier for you if you know somebody who lives there. I agree with you that it's difficult to recognize fake companies, so I suggest you find and contact an HR consultant in Dubai or any country and seek advice from them. Additionally, you can search for the company on a search engine and check their profile. For the visa process, I think the company should bear the expenses.
From Pakistan, Karachi
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I just saw your post. I have no idea about it, and I think it would be easier for you if you know somebody who lives there. I agree with you that it's difficult to recognize fake companies, so I suggest you find and contact an HR consultant in Dubai or any country and seek advice from them. Additionally, you can search for the company on a search engine and check their profile. For the visa process, I think the company should bear the expenses.
From Pakistan, Karachi
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