Hi!
I saw your post.
What I would recommend is that you edit and replace her name with Person X.
If you are unable to do so. Write to CHR do do the same.
However if for any reason you are not able to do so. do write in to me and I will forward you message to CHR.
Also, I am sure that an organization like Oracle will not commit such a blunder when recruiting HR personnels, Also they must have found her technically sound,a person with the right attitude to carry on the responsibilities.
I also have to ask you one question.
Now may I ask you that how you happened to chance upon this person's CV to know that the organization mentioned therein was fake, and what got you interested to enquire whether that particular organization existed or not.
They may seem to be bitter questions. But this is what the HR would like to know from you, in case you decide to take up the matter with the HR of the organization.
Regards,
Shyamali
From India, Nasik
15I saw your post.
What I would recommend is that you edit and replace her name with Person X.
If you are unable to do so. Write to CHR do do the same.
However if for any reason you are not able to do so. do write in to me and I will forward you message to CHR.
Also, I am sure that an organization like Oracle will not commit such a blunder when recruiting HR personnels, Also they must have found her technically sound,a person with the right attitude to carry on the responsibilities.
I also have to ask you one question.
Now may I ask you that how you happened to chance upon this person's CV to know that the organization mentioned therein was fake, and what got you interested to enquire whether that particular organization existed or not.
They may seem to be bitter questions. But this is what the HR would like to know from you, in case you decide to take up the matter with the HR of the organization.
Regards,
Shyamali
From India, Nasik
As a technical recruiter with a long consulting background and now working in a software development company, the menace of fake profiles is something I'm facing day in and day out.
The situation in Bangalore is such that the number of fake profiles outnumber genuine ones many times over. Situation is spiralling out of control. It is being encouraged by a few HR executives and some consulting companies who are selling fake experience certificates, relieving letters, pay slips, even degree certificates. In the last one month, we've had two candidates, claiming 3 years of experience [they'd done some courses, but did not have ANY real time exp.], openly admitting to buying such certificates from agencies.
So if CiteHR is not a forum where this issue is to be raised, which would be the right forum? I do not agree with the creator of this thread when he uses the real full name of a supposedly fake candidate. But I think fake profiles and certificates are serious issues that needs serious action.
The situation in Bangalore is such that the number of fake profiles outnumber genuine ones many times over. Situation is spiralling out of control. It is being encouraged by a few HR executives and some consulting companies who are selling fake experience certificates, relieving letters, pay slips, even degree certificates. In the last one month, we've had two candidates, claiming 3 years of experience [they'd done some courses, but did not have ANY real time exp.], openly admitting to buying such certificates from agencies.
So if CiteHR is not a forum where this issue is to be raised, which would be the right forum? I do not agree with the creator of this thread when he uses the real full name of a supposedly fake candidate. But I think fake profiles and certificates are serious issues that needs serious action.
Dear All, Due to network problem my reply got posted twice . Please read the post below. Inconvienence Caused is regretted. Regards, SC
From India, Thane
From India, Thane
Dear Rajeev,
I feel that you are mixing up social issues with corporate issues. You can fight against injustice, social evils and causes, but you can fight against social issues only.
Just think, is there any law which states that an Oracle professional should have these qualifications???
What I cannot understand is why are you trying to interfere with a private process and giving it a social or public colour.If you were in IAS or if it was PSC or UPSC what you are doing is absolutely right and you have the right as a citizen to raise such issues since public money is involve.
In the private sector there is no bar in recruiting Management professionals, if I want to keep a class X pass as MD nobody has any right to question my decision. Similarly if I knowingly keep an employee with fake certificates nobody can question my decision. As long as a Company does not break any law of the land it cannot be held or prosecuted. Let me give an example:
If I steal money from my wife's purse and you inform her. She hears the news and donot take any action. Can you compel her to take answer?? The answer is you cannot since it is a personal matter.
I also agree with Kiran.
In the end, please dont put in names and stop acting like a social revolutionary. If you feel your company is unethical leave the job.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
I feel that you are mixing up social issues with corporate issues. You can fight against injustice, social evils and causes, but you can fight against social issues only.
Just think, is there any law which states that an Oracle professional should have these qualifications???
What I cannot understand is why are you trying to interfere with a private process and giving it a social or public colour.If you were in IAS or if it was PSC or UPSC what you are doing is absolutely right and you have the right as a citizen to raise such issues since public money is involve.
In the private sector there is no bar in recruiting Management professionals, if I want to keep a class X pass as MD nobody has any right to question my decision. Similarly if I knowingly keep an employee with fake certificates nobody can question my decision. As long as a Company does not break any law of the land it cannot be held or prosecuted. Let me give an example:
If I steal money from my wife's purse and you inform her. She hears the news and donot take any action. Can you compel her to take answer?? The answer is you cannot since it is a personal matter.
I also agree with Kiran.
In the end, please dont put in names and stop acting like a social revolutionary. If you feel your company is unethical leave the job.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
Dear Nemo,
The topic of fake certificates have been discussed at this site and there has been some very good discussions. You can use quick search by typing in "Fake Certificates".
The other point I want to make is this. It is your duty as a Recruiter to give Organisation good candidates instead of trying to tell HRs to solve your problems. You are getting paid for that. Just imagine if Indian Armed Forces say that Terrorist Inflitration has gone up so the right place to raise the problem in Pakistani Parliament, what willhappen to our country??.
I am not comparing but what I am trying to say is that problems can be solved by only improving things within our control and not by trying to allot the blame to somebody else.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
The topic of fake certificates have been discussed at this site and there has been some very good discussions. You can use quick search by typing in "Fake Certificates".
The other point I want to make is this. It is your duty as a Recruiter to give Organisation good candidates instead of trying to tell HRs to solve your problems. You are getting paid for that. Just imagine if Indian Armed Forces say that Terrorist Inflitration has gone up so the right place to raise the problem in Pakistani Parliament, what willhappen to our country??.
I am not comparing but what I am trying to say is that problems can be solved by only improving things within our control and not by trying to allot the blame to somebody else.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
Hi boss,
It's very much required to understand the situation and react accordingly, coz there are many unregistered companies in bangalore. Might be she has worked for one of those unlisted companies.
Incase if there was any doubt, a thorough investigation has to be done to understand the strength of your question. As mentioned by many other citehr members, she can sue you if your statement doesn't stands good. So pls avoid using the names of the people in this regard.
Pls find the company name in market, and it's possible to investigate thoroughly thru 3rd party verifications.
Rgds,
Pradeep
From India, Bangalore
It's very much required to understand the situation and react accordingly, coz there are many unregistered companies in bangalore. Might be she has worked for one of those unlisted companies.
Incase if there was any doubt, a thorough investigation has to be done to understand the strength of your question. As mentioned by many other citehr members, she can sue you if your statement doesn't stands good. So pls avoid using the names of the people in this regard.
Pls find the company name in market, and it's possible to investigate thoroughly thru 3rd party verifications.
Rgds,
Pradeep
From India, Bangalore
Dear SC...
Oracle do have a policy to take action against such employees and they do take action if found. But what i trying to put forward is, that the company High Officials is also with these culprits. I am not supposed to go further over these people.
I have worked in IBM Global Solutions, bangalore for 3 years. In that period i have reported such matters to my Manager. Within no time action was taken. I still know people working in IBM with fake certificates. But I am no longer an employee of IBM. So iam not at all botherd about that.But i Really appreciate IBM's instant response to such issues.
Regards
Rajeev Raj.
From India, Mumbai
Oracle do have a policy to take action against such employees and they do take action if found. But what i trying to put forward is, that the company High Officials is also with these culprits. I am not supposed to go further over these people.
I have worked in IBM Global Solutions, bangalore for 3 years. In that period i have reported such matters to my Manager. Within no time action was taken. I still know people working in IBM with fake certificates. But I am no longer an employee of IBM. So iam not at all botherd about that.But i Really appreciate IBM's instant response to such issues.
Regards
Rajeev Raj.
From India, Mumbai
Dear Rajeev,
There you are, it is your perception of how a Company should be. You are absolutely entitled to your belief. No issue. But, Rajeev, sadly, neither how nor what a Company should do falls in your domain. So, how one Company should behave depends on the Company. If you feel it is unethical than you should leave it.
I think if I widen your viewpoint to a larger angle than we should raise our voices when Buisnessman place their son in the Board not because of eligibility but because of his relationship.
I can give you some more issues:
Instead of fighting for such small and petty causes like fake resume which have no big effect or impact on the Society being in IT why dont you raise your voice against balant and illegal disposal of IT wastes like PCs, Keyboard, Monitors and other accessories because they are polluting our environment. Demand proper recycling and proper disposal methods to eliminate pollution. Make them accountable, tell people not to work in Companies who donot follow the same. Increase awarness. Do this friend, in your part of India, the whole urban system is collapsing and pollution both from IT and other industries is killing the beautiful city.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
There you are, it is your perception of how a Company should be. You are absolutely entitled to your belief. No issue. But, Rajeev, sadly, neither how nor what a Company should do falls in your domain. So, how one Company should behave depends on the Company. If you feel it is unethical than you should leave it.
I think if I widen your viewpoint to a larger angle than we should raise our voices when Buisnessman place their son in the Board not because of eligibility but because of his relationship.
I can give you some more issues:
Instead of fighting for such small and petty causes like fake resume which have no big effect or impact on the Society being in IT why dont you raise your voice against balant and illegal disposal of IT wastes like PCs, Keyboard, Monitors and other accessories because they are polluting our environment. Demand proper recycling and proper disposal methods to eliminate pollution. Make them accountable, tell people not to work in Companies who donot follow the same. Increase awarness. Do this friend, in your part of India, the whole urban system is collapsing and pollution both from IT and other industries is killing the beautiful city.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
Duh! when I did I ask HRs to solve my problem? I did mention that we spotted those fakes.
I'm new here, saw this post about an unethical practise issue I'm facing everyday and replied. I was looking for some suggestions and / or collective action by all recruiters and HRs instead of some patronising sermon.
Thanks anyways... Looks like I'm in the wrong place.
I'm new here, saw this post about an unethical practise issue I'm facing everyday and replied. I was looking for some suggestions and / or collective action by all recruiters and HRs instead of some patronising sermon.
Thanks anyways... Looks like I'm in the wrong place.
Dear Nemo,
I may have rubbed you the wrong way but what I am stating is true. Anyway you can search the site there are some excellent discussions from our end.
In conclusion I would like to state that it is the HR who suffers most in case of Fake Resumes because recruiters acts as Vendors.
Please dont take offence.
Cheers
SC
From India, Thane
I may have rubbed you the wrong way but what I am stating is true. Anyway you can search the site there are some excellent discussions from our end.
In conclusion I would like to state that it is the HR who suffers most in case of Fake Resumes because recruiters acts as Vendors.
Please dont take offence.
Cheers
SC
From India, Thane
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