Lets face it: Some truths part2: Hiring
Ok, Its time for hiring in companies and its time for some money as well.
Hiring is done for various reasons. Sometimes for real reasons, sometimes for share market. Some companies use advertisements in news papers for influencing the share price in market. There are enough examples. Thats why one never realizes, even after a very good interview HR never called back.
HR played in the hands of the management guys, and collected lot of CVs for No-Hiring at all.
Sometimes Hiring is done for non-existant projects in IT. Be very carefull with this kind of hiring. You never know when the job ends, or I doubt if it would start or not. In this case also, HR tried to hire people, even after knowing that situation is not good.
Even after a good interview none of us get call from HR. Ever wondered what happened at the backstage.
There is an angle of money. It is not very uncommon to hear and see the HR guys accepting kickbacks, cuts and money share from HR consultants. If your consultant pays less than others, surely you are not going to get the job. Your talent, experience and education is no way playing a role. Those who think I cooked it, Please correct yourself. Goto following link:
The Hindu Business Line : Cuts, kickbacks hit recruitment industry
I dont think, someone cleaned whole HR system since this article came. It must have grown two folds.
Some good companies HR calls the expereinced candidates, and starts asking marks of 10th, 12th. A good company HR guy called me and asked my 10th marks. I asked him a question, Can you ask the 10th marks to any American or British guy? Answer is abolutely "NO". I fail to understand the relationship of 10th marks with the job I will be doing in new company with 12 years of experience. These are all irrelevent and questions of no use. But HR guys keep on asking these questions. Someone please put some sense into heads of these guys!!!
It looks like ethics and good practices no longer drive a HR guy. Its all lies and mis-information which is ruling HR industry.
HR guys paint a very rosy picture of company in mess. They will promise you onsite positions, even they also know the reality that we never had and will have the onsite positions. Be carefull with all such crooks.
HR guys always complain, they gave offer to four guys, none of them joined. The guy joined somewhere else. If HR guys are playing it that way, candidate has every right to protect himself and do the best suitable to him.
I stopped trusting the HR guys, because I found, if they are telling you 5 sentences. only 1 sentence will be having touch of truth.
Truth behind referal schemes, if you send someone's CV to them, they will not call him or will call him but will keep cold on that. After sometime they might pass the CV to their HR consultant, and share the money!!! or will call the guy after 4 months and will not pay you referal money.
All sort of tricks and lies are rulling the market. HR have become a puppet of management and these fellows stopped using their own brain. Ethics and fair business deal is far cry.
HR guys who send the post on naukri or else where, have very limited or no knowledge about the real requirements. HR fellows will call you for interviews and will make you wait for hours and hours without second guess that they are wasting your time.
Sometimes, HR guys will call 5+ years experienced guy and will ask him to appear in test. This is most ridiculuous use of mind!!!.
A new trend is emerging which is gift from HR guys. Two companies I spoke with, told me they have onsite opennings but I have to pay security money raning from 50k to 75k. Counter question to the HR guy, "did you pay the money to get jobs in your career?". These poor HR guys who are just acting as voice of someone else, failed to justify the money part into hiring for a job. is it ok to ask money on any pretext from candidate? I never paid and none of my friends ever paid the money to get jobs.
Most of the HR guys will give you this or that execuse on offer letters. Soft copies arrive very fast but hard copies sometimes never arrive. Thats when, I start looking for alternatives. You ask them about hard copies, they will give this or that lie. Most of the companies and HR do not want to commit anything from their side.
One big company HR, takes interviews but will not send you offer immediately. They will send you after 4 months, thats way to steal the money of HR consultant who forwarded your CV to them.
At the end of the day, It is a really frustrating experience. Dealing with these HR individuals and their tricks proves at the end that candidate is one who is looser. Freshers never arrive in company who are not related to HR or management guys.
HR guys, if you offered someone, he did not join you. Do not feel bad about it. It is circle which is complete when it reached you. What you gave to others, you got back in same currency.
Candidates, be carefull, if you take offer from 5 companies and join one after doing your homework very well. You do not commit any sin. Before joining any company take feedback from your friends and anyone whom you know. Trust no word of HR of new company!!!!!
I will post in next post, "what happens after you are hired"
Here is link to Part1
https://www.citehr.com/97567-lets-fa...ths-part1.html
From India, Ghaziabad
10Ok, Its time for hiring in companies and its time for some money as well.
Hiring is done for various reasons. Sometimes for real reasons, sometimes for share market. Some companies use advertisements in news papers for influencing the share price in market. There are enough examples. Thats why one never realizes, even after a very good interview HR never called back.
HR played in the hands of the management guys, and collected lot of CVs for No-Hiring at all.
Sometimes Hiring is done for non-existant projects in IT. Be very carefull with this kind of hiring. You never know when the job ends, or I doubt if it would start or not. In this case also, HR tried to hire people, even after knowing that situation is not good.
Even after a good interview none of us get call from HR. Ever wondered what happened at the backstage.
There is an angle of money. It is not very uncommon to hear and see the HR guys accepting kickbacks, cuts and money share from HR consultants. If your consultant pays less than others, surely you are not going to get the job. Your talent, experience and education is no way playing a role. Those who think I cooked it, Please correct yourself. Goto following link:
The Hindu Business Line : Cuts, kickbacks hit recruitment industry
I dont think, someone cleaned whole HR system since this article came. It must have grown two folds.
Some good companies HR calls the expereinced candidates, and starts asking marks of 10th, 12th. A good company HR guy called me and asked my 10th marks. I asked him a question, Can you ask the 10th marks to any American or British guy? Answer is abolutely "NO". I fail to understand the relationship of 10th marks with the job I will be doing in new company with 12 years of experience. These are all irrelevent and questions of no use. But HR guys keep on asking these questions. Someone please put some sense into heads of these guys!!!
It looks like ethics and good practices no longer drive a HR guy. Its all lies and mis-information which is ruling HR industry.
HR guys paint a very rosy picture of company in mess. They will promise you onsite positions, even they also know the reality that we never had and will have the onsite positions. Be carefull with all such crooks.
HR guys always complain, they gave offer to four guys, none of them joined. The guy joined somewhere else. If HR guys are playing it that way, candidate has every right to protect himself and do the best suitable to him.
I stopped trusting the HR guys, because I found, if they are telling you 5 sentences. only 1 sentence will be having touch of truth.
Truth behind referal schemes, if you send someone's CV to them, they will not call him or will call him but will keep cold on that. After sometime they might pass the CV to their HR consultant, and share the money!!! or will call the guy after 4 months and will not pay you referal money.
All sort of tricks and lies are rulling the market. HR have become a puppet of management and these fellows stopped using their own brain. Ethics and fair business deal is far cry.
HR guys who send the post on naukri or else where, have very limited or no knowledge about the real requirements. HR fellows will call you for interviews and will make you wait for hours and hours without second guess that they are wasting your time.
Sometimes, HR guys will call 5+ years experienced guy and will ask him to appear in test. This is most ridiculuous use of mind!!!.
A new trend is emerging which is gift from HR guys. Two companies I spoke with, told me they have onsite opennings but I have to pay security money raning from 50k to 75k. Counter question to the HR guy, "did you pay the money to get jobs in your career?". These poor HR guys who are just acting as voice of someone else, failed to justify the money part into hiring for a job. is it ok to ask money on any pretext from candidate? I never paid and none of my friends ever paid the money to get jobs.
Most of the HR guys will give you this or that execuse on offer letters. Soft copies arrive very fast but hard copies sometimes never arrive. Thats when, I start looking for alternatives. You ask them about hard copies, they will give this or that lie. Most of the companies and HR do not want to commit anything from their side.
One big company HR, takes interviews but will not send you offer immediately. They will send you after 4 months, thats way to steal the money of HR consultant who forwarded your CV to them.
At the end of the day, It is a really frustrating experience. Dealing with these HR individuals and their tricks proves at the end that candidate is one who is looser. Freshers never arrive in company who are not related to HR or management guys.
HR guys, if you offered someone, he did not join you. Do not feel bad about it. It is circle which is complete when it reached you. What you gave to others, you got back in same currency.
Candidates, be carefull, if you take offer from 5 companies and join one after doing your homework very well. You do not commit any sin. Before joining any company take feedback from your friends and anyone whom you know. Trust no word of HR of new company!!!!!
I will post in next post, "what happens after you are hired"
Here is link to Part1
https://www.citehr.com/97567-lets-fa...ths-part1.html
From India, Ghaziabad
This post is really AWESOME, just like tehelka u have just digged out the black side or to say the only side which is black of HR..... Really super post...
From India, Pune
From India, Pune
I am not aware of such things happening... specially in a good company.I have worked in the recruitment deptt for quiet sometime and have realised that companies are in constant need of good employees.Though hiring sometimes becomes a tedious process.Now may be a candidate had a good interview but the otherone had better one. so you see everybody can't get the same job.Also HR keeps on asking questions just to enquire about the communication skills of the candidate.HR is not at any poor position rather is part of taking crucial decisions in the company.Hope I could make my point clear.
From India, Calcutta
From India, Calcutta
Difficult for HR guys to defend the wrong doings in the industry. As a candidate we have started to understand the rules of the game. Any commnets!!!
From India, Ghaziabad
From India, Ghaziabad
I had read this post some days ago and had trashed it. Took some time for me to trace it again and reply.
To start with I am VERY HAPPY that you are neither in HR nor Admin. With the kind of negativity in you, you would have been an insult to either of those roles/teams!
Secondly, India Cynic seems a more appropriate name than India Rebel. Rebels stand up for justice and set things right! And not just sit around and bad mouth people!!
In today's competitive business scenario every company/business is trying to make every employee of theirs productive. Most sensibly run companies continuously invest time and effort in removing unproductive clerical jobs and ensure technology/automation is used to its utmost benefit. Given this I am not willing to buy people staff HR and Admin departments with good for nothing relatives and junkies.
In these days every team leader/line manager has the additional responsbility of being the HR person for his/her team. They are actively involved in hiring/training/grooming their people.... Their ratings depends upon their teams' performance and success. Who are you telling about kickbacks and cuts? Do you think some manager will hire a useless candidate and lose out on his/her appraisal (forget the HR person).
The days of seeking formal feedback for everything is gone. Everyone is involved in running their Company and they share feedback and suggestions for improvement voluntarily. Formal feedback is collected through E-Sat surveys and in Townhall meetings and the results and action plans from these are also actively shared and there IS visibility to everyone on all these.
As a HR professional with a long experience I have seen, many a time, incompetent candidates blame the hiring company or the HR guys in those companies for their not getting hired. Rather than finding lame excuses and trying to fix blame, if one spends time introspecting what went wrong the possibility of success in future will be better.
In this time and age, companies (even small companies) articulate their values and ethical practices very well and any one not following the code of conduct does get ejected from the system (sooner or later). If someone looks at short-term cost benefits and decides to work with fly-by-night (or also ran) consultants, one may face the issue of poor quality (and possibly kickbacks!)
With the kind of booming business opportunities in India, I am not denying that there would be some idiots who (without thinking of their and their organization's reputation) indulge in malpractices for short-term gains.
But that DOES NOT give you any right to call the entire fraternity names like the way you have done!
Anybody who cares at least a little about their individual and organizational reputation and the Company that feeds them will stand up and ensure malpractices are stopped.
Mr. Rebel, rather than spending time in such mindless mud-slinging, stand up and raise your voice to stop corrupt practices. That way you would do an ocean of good to both your organization and your own conscience!
Remember, those who pay the kickbacks are more responsible for spreading the evil than those who seek them.
From India, Bangalore
To start with I am VERY HAPPY that you are neither in HR nor Admin. With the kind of negativity in you, you would have been an insult to either of those roles/teams!
Secondly, India Cynic seems a more appropriate name than India Rebel. Rebels stand up for justice and set things right! And not just sit around and bad mouth people!!
In today's competitive business scenario every company/business is trying to make every employee of theirs productive. Most sensibly run companies continuously invest time and effort in removing unproductive clerical jobs and ensure technology/automation is used to its utmost benefit. Given this I am not willing to buy people staff HR and Admin departments with good for nothing relatives and junkies.
In these days every team leader/line manager has the additional responsbility of being the HR person for his/her team. They are actively involved in hiring/training/grooming their people.... Their ratings depends upon their teams' performance and success. Who are you telling about kickbacks and cuts? Do you think some manager will hire a useless candidate and lose out on his/her appraisal (forget the HR person).
The days of seeking formal feedback for everything is gone. Everyone is involved in running their Company and they share feedback and suggestions for improvement voluntarily. Formal feedback is collected through E-Sat surveys and in Townhall meetings and the results and action plans from these are also actively shared and there IS visibility to everyone on all these.
As a HR professional with a long experience I have seen, many a time, incompetent candidates blame the hiring company or the HR guys in those companies for their not getting hired. Rather than finding lame excuses and trying to fix blame, if one spends time introspecting what went wrong the possibility of success in future will be better.
In this time and age, companies (even small companies) articulate their values and ethical practices very well and any one not following the code of conduct does get ejected from the system (sooner or later). If someone looks at short-term cost benefits and decides to work with fly-by-night (or also ran) consultants, one may face the issue of poor quality (and possibly kickbacks!)
With the kind of booming business opportunities in India, I am not denying that there would be some idiots who (without thinking of their and their organization's reputation) indulge in malpractices for short-term gains.
But that DOES NOT give you any right to call the entire fraternity names like the way you have done!
Anybody who cares at least a little about their individual and organizational reputation and the Company that feeds them will stand up and ensure malpractices are stopped.
Mr. Rebel, rather than spending time in such mindless mud-slinging, stand up and raise your voice to stop corrupt practices. That way you would do an ocean of good to both your organization and your own conscience!
Remember, those who pay the kickbacks are more responsible for spreading the evil than those who seek them.
From India, Bangalore
I had read this post some days ago and had trashed it. Took some time for me to trace it again and reply.
To start with I am VERY HAPPY that you are neither in HR nor Admin. With the kind of negativity in you, you would have been an insult to either of those roles/teams!
Secondly, India Cynic seems a more appropriate name than India Rebel. Rebels stand up for justice and set things right! And not just sit around and bad mouth people!!
In today's competitive business scenario every company/business is trying to make every employee of theirs productive. Most sensibly run companies continuously invest time and effort in removing unproductive clerical jobs and ensure technology/automation is used to its utmost benefit. Given this I am not willing to buy people staff HR and Admin departments with good for nothing relatives and junkies.
In these days every team leader/line manager has the additional responsbility of being the HR person for his/her team. They are actively involved in hiring/training/grooming their people.... Their ratings depends upon their teams' performance and success. Who are you telling about kickbacks and cuts? Do you think some manager will hire a useless candidate and lose out on his/her appraisal (forget the HR person).
The days of seeking formal feedback for everything is gone. Everyone is involved in running their Company and they share feedback and suggestions for improvement voluntarily. Formal feedback is collected through E-Sat surveys and in Townhall meetings and the results and action plans from these are also actively shared and there IS visibility to everyone on all these.
As a HR professional with a long experience I have seen, many a time, incompetent candidates blame the hiring company or the HR guys in those companies for their not getting hired. Rather than finding lame excuses and trying to fix blame, if one spends time introspecting what went wrong the possibility of success in future will be better.
In this time and age, companies (even small companies) articulate their values and ethical practices very well and any one not following the code of conduct does get ejected from the system (sooner or later). If someone looks at short-term cost benefits and decides to work with fly-by-night (or also ran) consultants, one may face the issue of poor quality (and possibly kickbacks!)
With the kind of booming business opportunities in India, I am not denying that there would be some idiots who (without thinking of their and their organization's reputation) indulge in malpractices for short-term gains.
But that DOES NOT give you any right to call the entire fraternity names like the way you have done!
Anybody who cares at least a little about their individual and organizational reputation and the Company that feeds them will stand up and ensure malpractices are stopped.
Mr. Rebel, rather than spending time in such mindless mud-slinging, stand up and raise your voice to stop corrupt practices. That way you would do an ocean of good to both your organization and your own conscience!
Remember, those who pay the kickbacks are more responsible for spreading the evil than those who seek them.
From India, Bangalore
To start with I am VERY HAPPY that you are neither in HR nor Admin. With the kind of negativity in you, you would have been an insult to either of those roles/teams!
Secondly, India Cynic seems a more appropriate name than India Rebel. Rebels stand up for justice and set things right! And not just sit around and bad mouth people!!
In today's competitive business scenario every company/business is trying to make every employee of theirs productive. Most sensibly run companies continuously invest time and effort in removing unproductive clerical jobs and ensure technology/automation is used to its utmost benefit. Given this I am not willing to buy people staff HR and Admin departments with good for nothing relatives and junkies.
In these days every team leader/line manager has the additional responsbility of being the HR person for his/her team. They are actively involved in hiring/training/grooming their people.... Their ratings depends upon their teams' performance and success. Who are you telling about kickbacks and cuts? Do you think some manager will hire a useless candidate and lose out on his/her appraisal (forget the HR person).
The days of seeking formal feedback for everything is gone. Everyone is involved in running their Company and they share feedback and suggestions for improvement voluntarily. Formal feedback is collected through E-Sat surveys and in Townhall meetings and the results and action plans from these are also actively shared and there IS visibility to everyone on all these.
As a HR professional with a long experience I have seen, many a time, incompetent candidates blame the hiring company or the HR guys in those companies for their not getting hired. Rather than finding lame excuses and trying to fix blame, if one spends time introspecting what went wrong the possibility of success in future will be better.
In this time and age, companies (even small companies) articulate their values and ethical practices very well and any one not following the code of conduct does get ejected from the system (sooner or later). If someone looks at short-term cost benefits and decides to work with fly-by-night (or also ran) consultants, one may face the issue of poor quality (and possibly kickbacks!)
With the kind of booming business opportunities in India, I am not denying that there would be some idiots who (without thinking of their and their organization's reputation) indulge in malpractices for short-term gains.
But that DOES NOT give you any right to call the entire fraternity names like the way you have done!
Anybody who cares at least a little about their individual and organizational reputation and the Company that feeds them will stand up and ensure malpractices are stopped.
Mr. Rebel, rather than spending time in such mindless mud-slinging, stand up and raise your voice to stop corrupt practices. That way you would do an ocean of good to both your organization and your own conscience!
Remember, those who pay the kickbacks are more responsible for spreading the evil than those who seek them.
From India, Bangalore
RajBalkrishna,
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You posted:
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To start with I am VERY HAPPY that you are neither in HR nor Admin. With the kind of negativity in you, you would have been an insult to either of those roles/teams!
Secondly, India Cynic seems a more appropriate name than India Rebel. Rebels stand up for justice and set things right! And not just sit around and bad mouth people!!
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I am ignoring your above comments as I do not feel it is appropriate to get provoked by foul language.
To your knowledge, I have enjoyed success in industry and still do. I choose companies after thinking from all angles. I take feedback from industry. I do my own reference check on managers/HR people and company issues.
I am better informed about the gimmics of HR plays. I can sense what the guy on other line is thinking.
Mr. Rebel, rather than spending time in such mindless mud-slinging, stand up and raise your voice to stop corrupt practices. That way you would do an ocean of good to both your organization and your own conscience!
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Its not mud slinging. If you think like that, none can help it. I gave you a piece to think, what you thought of it. Hindu newspaper which printed the news, you mean to say they are also against you.
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Remember, those who pay the kickbacks are more responsible for spreading the evil than those who seek them.
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Payer and payee both are HR guys in this case. HR recruiters pay and HR guys accept the kickback.
I can give you names of companies and names of individuals as well, that will further embarass the fraternity. I am not going to do that. At no point of time, I am going to reveal the identities of individuals and companies.
Read that Hindu news again, Its not me...
We have started to understand the rule of games HR plays.
To candidates, Never resign without Hardcopies of offer letter, despite many requests from HR guy. Have 3-4 offers before resigning...
Morality is subjective person to person, Morality can not be signed on paper, it can not be produced as evidence. Without hard copies and written and signed words, do not accept it as truth.
Rules are twisted to suit the ruler. We are below such all gods and deserve to protect ourselves.
From India, Ghaziabad
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You posted:
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To start with I am VERY HAPPY that you are neither in HR nor Admin. With the kind of negativity in you, you would have been an insult to either of those roles/teams!
Secondly, India Cynic seems a more appropriate name than India Rebel. Rebels stand up for justice and set things right! And not just sit around and bad mouth people!!
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I am ignoring your above comments as I do not feel it is appropriate to get provoked by foul language.
To your knowledge, I have enjoyed success in industry and still do. I choose companies after thinking from all angles. I take feedback from industry. I do my own reference check on managers/HR people and company issues.
I am better informed about the gimmics of HR plays. I can sense what the guy on other line is thinking.
Mr. Rebel, rather than spending time in such mindless mud-slinging, stand up and raise your voice to stop corrupt practices. That way you would do an ocean of good to both your organization and your own conscience!
=====
Its not mud slinging. If you think like that, none can help it. I gave you a piece to think, what you thought of it. Hindu newspaper which printed the news, you mean to say they are also against you.
========
Remember, those who pay the kickbacks are more responsible for spreading the evil than those who seek them.
=========
Payer and payee both are HR guys in this case. HR recruiters pay and HR guys accept the kickback.
I can give you names of companies and names of individuals as well, that will further embarass the fraternity. I am not going to do that. At no point of time, I am going to reveal the identities of individuals and companies.
Read that Hindu news again, Its not me...
We have started to understand the rule of games HR plays.
To candidates, Never resign without Hardcopies of offer letter, despite many requests from HR guy. Have 3-4 offers before resigning...
Morality is subjective person to person, Morality can not be signed on paper, it can not be produced as evidence. Without hard copies and written and signed words, do not accept it as truth.
Rules are twisted to suit the ruler. We are below such all gods and deserve to protect ourselves.
From India, Ghaziabad
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