Hi guys and girls,
What do you feel if a situation arises with a fresh MBA or someone with less experience (maybe 2 or 3 years) and a graduate (without MBA or PGDBM) with 10 years of experience in administration for recruitment as an HR Manager? Whom do you think the management will give preference for the said appointment? Do you feel an MBA/PGDBM is mandatory in practice?
Appreciate your inputs.
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Gandhi
From India, Kodaikanal
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1What do you feel if a situation arises with a fresh MBA or someone with less experience (maybe 2 or 3 years) and a graduate (without MBA or PGDBM) with 10 years of experience in administration for recruitment as an HR Manager? Whom do you think the management will give preference for the said appointment? Do you feel an MBA/PGDBM is mandatory in practice?
Appreciate your inputs.
Regards,
Gandhi
From India, Kodaikanal
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Hi Gandhi,
Good you have put up this query in our citeHR forum.
I used to have some similar queries about practical knowledge and theoretical knowledge. After a lot of struggle and patience, I have reached the stage where I am an HR Manager in the IT industry right now, with a minimum number of employees.
I am not a graduate (just finished my Diploma and waiting for results). But my Employers wanted someone with practical knowledge, where an individual has gone through barriers and knows some individuals in any industry who can guide us whenever required, if we maintain a good rapport in this field.
But Gandhi, I think it totally depends on the company (private or corporate).
But of course, now I have realized that Education also means a lot. It clears your path to success and reduces struggle (which is actually good, I believe).
Now I am planning to complete my graduation, which is a difficult task, but I will keep trying until I succeed.
Do let us know about Gandhi and my inputs.
Regards,
Sapana Kale
From India, Pune
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Good you have put up this query in our citeHR forum.
I used to have some similar queries about practical knowledge and theoretical knowledge. After a lot of struggle and patience, I have reached the stage where I am an HR Manager in the IT industry right now, with a minimum number of employees.
I am not a graduate (just finished my Diploma and waiting for results). But my Employers wanted someone with practical knowledge, where an individual has gone through barriers and knows some individuals in any industry who can guide us whenever required, if we maintain a good rapport in this field.
But Gandhi, I think it totally depends on the company (private or corporate).
But of course, now I have realized that Education also means a lot. It clears your path to success and reduces struggle (which is actually good, I believe).
Now I am planning to complete my graduation, which is a difficult task, but I will keep trying until I succeed.
Do let us know about Gandhi and my inputs.
Regards,
Sapana Kale
From India, Pune
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Hi Gandhi,
Yes, it all depends upon the company. An MBA regular always has a preference over MBA correspondence. However, in contrast, in the corporate world, an experience of 10 years adds on to a degree. HR policies always determine the priorities.
Deepali
From India, Chandigarh
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Yes, it all depends upon the company. An MBA regular always has a preference over MBA correspondence. However, in contrast, in the corporate world, an experience of 10 years adds on to a degree. HR policies always determine the priorities.
Deepali
From India, Chandigarh
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Dear Mr. Gandhi,
I personally feel there is no substitute for experience; MBAs really matter in the initial years of your career, after which it is all about experience.
The main reason companies, especially IT companies, opt for MBAs or other professionally recognized degrees is that they present them as their qualified manpower resource, which is necessary when securing overseas projects. An overseas client neither has the time nor is in a position to evaluate the experiences of every employee of their outsourcing partner. Therefore, as a yardstick for quality, an MBA is certainly recognized as a professional qualification, giving a competitive edge. This is more crucial because the MBA is essentially an American concept, and the world's economics are dominated by the US. A prime example can be observed in small export or IT firms that appoint HR personnel when the need for HR might not actually exist. There are many industrialists like Late Dhirubhai Ambani, L.N. Mittal, and Russy Modi who were not MBAs.
So, the answer to your question from an absolute standpoint would be a resounding no. However, since the number of MBAs or other professional degrees in an organization helps enhance its status and recognizability in the eyes of the Western world, it is becoming an essential qualification.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
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I personally feel there is no substitute for experience; MBAs really matter in the initial years of your career, after which it is all about experience.
The main reason companies, especially IT companies, opt for MBAs or other professionally recognized degrees is that they present them as their qualified manpower resource, which is necessary when securing overseas projects. An overseas client neither has the time nor is in a position to evaluate the experiences of every employee of their outsourcing partner. Therefore, as a yardstick for quality, an MBA is certainly recognized as a professional qualification, giving a competitive edge. This is more crucial because the MBA is essentially an American concept, and the world's economics are dominated by the US. A prime example can be observed in small export or IT firms that appoint HR personnel when the need for HR might not actually exist. There are many industrialists like Late Dhirubhai Ambani, L.N. Mittal, and Russy Modi who were not MBAs.
So, the answer to your question from an absolute standpoint would be a resounding no. However, since the number of MBAs or other professional degrees in an organization helps enhance its status and recognizability in the eyes of the Western world, it is becoming an essential qualification.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
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Hi Gandhi,
This is a good question. It depends on the skills, exposure, and mindset of the individual. Qualification stands next. It's very important that the individual should have a flavor of HR - a service mindset, with skills to implement what he feels that as an HR you can do. Skills help you in formulating strategies, exposure gives you confidence in handling issues, a service mindset keeps your employees happy, and knowledge tells you what all an HR can do.
So, if you are hiring an HR professional, to me, you should look at these factors during the interview. Trust you appreciate my thoughts.
Regards, Sathiyaseelan. JO
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This is a good question. It depends on the skills, exposure, and mindset of the individual. Qualification stands next. It's very important that the individual should have a flavor of HR - a service mindset, with skills to implement what he feels that as an HR you can do. Skills help you in formulating strategies, exposure gives you confidence in handling issues, a service mindset keeps your employees happy, and knowledge tells you what all an HR can do.
So, if you are hiring an HR professional, to me, you should look at these factors during the interview. Trust you appreciate my thoughts.
Regards, Sathiyaseelan. JO
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Hi all,
Experience is everything, but expertise in anything does not necessarily qualify you for work anywhere. First, you need to realize how your study in a particular field operates. It is akin to your training; after studying, you understand who you were, and after gaining knowledge, you become aware of who you are.
So, theory is important, but experience in the specific field holds even greater importance. In practice, you witness how what you've read is now being implemented. More suggestions are welcomed.
Regards,
Manish
From India, Delhi
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Experience is everything, but expertise in anything does not necessarily qualify you for work anywhere. First, you need to realize how your study in a particular field operates. It is akin to your training; after studying, you understand who you were, and after gaining knowledge, you become aware of who you are.
So, theory is important, but experience in the specific field holds even greater importance. In practice, you witness how what you've read is now being implemented. More suggestions are welcomed.
Regards,
Manish
From India, Delhi
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hi, no i don’t think it’s a must. the only important think is to see that you keep on referring to good book in HR. this is just to clear some of the jargons and concepts in HR...
From India, Pune
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From India, Pune
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Hi Gandhi and all,
Is an MBA (HR) equal to a PGDBA (HR) or not? Are the IIMs the number 1 business schools in India that offer PGDBA, while IGNOU or any other university offers an MBA? Additionally, is it true that an MBA is equivalent to 3 years of study and a PGDBA is equivalent to 2 years? If someone chooses an MBA, is it considered equivalent to a PGDBA?
Correspondence courses are often not preferred over regular MBAs. What about experience? Why do people say there is no substitute for experience? Does this imply that your experience is insignificant before completing a regular MBA? Does this mean we are disregarding our own beliefs about the value of experience?
Please respond.
Regards,
Manish
From India, Delhi
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Is an MBA (HR) equal to a PGDBA (HR) or not? Are the IIMs the number 1 business schools in India that offer PGDBA, while IGNOU or any other university offers an MBA? Additionally, is it true that an MBA is equivalent to 3 years of study and a PGDBA is equivalent to 2 years? If someone chooses an MBA, is it considered equivalent to a PGDBA?
Correspondence courses are often not preferred over regular MBAs. What about experience? Why do people say there is no substitute for experience? Does this imply that your experience is insignificant before completing a regular MBA? Does this mean we are disregarding our own beliefs about the value of experience?
Please respond.
Regards,
Manish
From India, Delhi
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Hi Manish,
It's not that way. If you have a PGDBA (HR) qualification through correspondence along with equivalent experience in the same industry, your experience matters, and this gives you an added advantage over an MBA regular fresher. However, if you do not have the relevant experience, then you are passing the ball to the other course.
Deepali
From India, Chandigarh
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It's not that way. If you have a PGDBA (HR) qualification through correspondence along with equivalent experience in the same industry, your experience matters, and this gives you an added advantage over an MBA regular fresher. However, if you do not have the relevant experience, then you are passing the ball to the other course.
Deepali
From India, Chandigarh
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Deepali,
Why do we demand an MBA from top institutes rather than an MBA (Correspondence)? Also, why do we prefer regular programs? Why is it specified in job postings that only regular MBAs are required or preferred?
Tell me.
From India, Delhi
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Why do we demand an MBA from top institutes rather than an MBA (Correspondence)? Also, why do we prefer regular programs? Why is it specified in job postings that only regular MBAs are required or preferred?
Tell me.
From India, Delhi
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Manish,
That's because of the quality of education, and freshers are preferred because they are taken as clay. You can mold them the way you want, which is difficult to do with experienced people.
Deepali
From India, Chandigarh
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That's because of the quality of education, and freshers are preferred because they are taken as clay. You can mold them the way you want, which is difficult to do with experienced people.
Deepali
From India, Chandigarh
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Okay, I agreed with your answer; it is true. However, I am asking one question repeatedly but have not received any response.
"Is an MBA (HR) equivalent to a PGDBA (HR) or not? IIM, the number one business school in India, offers PGDBA, while IGNOU or any other regular university (such as D.U.) provides an MBA degree. In addition, an MBA typically lasts for 3 years, while a PGDBA is a 2-year program. If someone prefers an MBA, is it considered equivalent to a PG? Please comment."
From India, Delhi
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"Is an MBA (HR) equivalent to a PGDBA (HR) or not? IIM, the number one business school in India, offers PGDBA, while IGNOU or any other regular university (such as D.U.) provides an MBA degree. In addition, an MBA typically lasts for 3 years, while a PGDBA is a 2-year program. If someone prefers an MBA, is it considered equivalent to a PG? Please comment."
From India, Delhi
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Hi,
This is a very good question. If we consider the current market status or requirements, then I must say every organization is very keen to have an MBA person. However, simultaneously, they want an experienced person as well. In this scenario, we can't ignore the importance of a degree as well.
What I feel is we should consider experience more than a degree because theoretical knowledge is easy to gain by putting in some effort, but experience is not something that can be acquired easily. Experience will provide you with live examples and keep you updated.
Finally, I would suggest to all organizations that they please consider the ability to do the work rather than just the degree. It's important not to directly relate an MBA and experience together. In this case, I would go with an experienced person.
Regards,
Rupendra
From India, New Delhi
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This is a very good question. If we consider the current market status or requirements, then I must say every organization is very keen to have an MBA person. However, simultaneously, they want an experienced person as well. In this scenario, we can't ignore the importance of a degree as well.
What I feel is we should consider experience more than a degree because theoretical knowledge is easy to gain by putting in some effort, but experience is not something that can be acquired easily. Experience will provide you with live examples and keep you updated.
Finally, I would suggest to all organizations that they please consider the ability to do the work rather than just the degree. It's important not to directly relate an MBA and experience together. In this case, I would go with an experienced person.
Regards,
Rupendra
From India, New Delhi
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Hi All,
I read all the comments on the question that Mr. Gandhi posted in the forum. I agree with all those who have replied, as there is some logic attached, and on top of that, it is their personal experience that actually guided them all to reach the respective conclusion.
However, I found the best reason and explanation from Swastik, which is very true.
I would like to add a few more strong points like...
When it comes to hiring an HR Manager, the company would always prefer someone who has a degree in MBA/PGDBM. It's more about understanding the policy framework, dealing with Human Resources, which is the most valuable asset of any company, and having conceptual knowledge that helps when implemented systematically. Moreover, if you think that gaining experience is more valuable than pursuing an MBA/PGDBM, then I totally disagree. It's about how you plan it. Before you join an MBA/PGDBM program, gain some functional experience and then pursue the course. You will see the difference for yourself.
I would say an MBA/PGDBM from premier institutions like IIMs, FMS, XLRI is always worth hiring because of the vast knowledge they acquire and the exposure they have towards all business-related issues.
Kanti Kiran
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I read all the comments on the question that Mr. Gandhi posted in the forum. I agree with all those who have replied, as there is some logic attached, and on top of that, it is their personal experience that actually guided them all to reach the respective conclusion.
However, I found the best reason and explanation from Swastik, which is very true.
I would like to add a few more strong points like...
When it comes to hiring an HR Manager, the company would always prefer someone who has a degree in MBA/PGDBM. It's more about understanding the policy framework, dealing with Human Resources, which is the most valuable asset of any company, and having conceptual knowledge that helps when implemented systematically. Moreover, if you think that gaining experience is more valuable than pursuing an MBA/PGDBM, then I totally disagree. It's about how you plan it. Before you join an MBA/PGDBM program, gain some functional experience and then pursue the course. You will see the difference for yourself.
I would say an MBA/PGDBM from premier institutions like IIMs, FMS, XLRI is always worth hiring because of the vast knowledge they acquire and the exposure they have towards all business-related issues.
Kanti Kiran
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Dear all,
What a good knowledge sharing on whether experience is more important or qualifications. I would like to share my own experience. When it comes to hiring HR professionals, experience comes first. Here's a choice: a person having an MBA with no experience in HR, versus me with only an advanced diploma but 3 years of working experience in a multinational company's HR department. I've helped to set up company policy and am strong in compensation and benefits. Who would you choose?
Right now, I am no longer attached to the MNC; I am in a small local property development company. Again, I set up the HR manual for this company, and I am handling the HR department alone.
However, education and qualifications are equally important. I am planning to take up a degree in HR to brush up my knowledge. As people always say, there is no end to learning.
Good luck to all HR professionals out there.
Ashley
From Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur
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What a good knowledge sharing on whether experience is more important or qualifications. I would like to share my own experience. When it comes to hiring HR professionals, experience comes first. Here's a choice: a person having an MBA with no experience in HR, versus me with only an advanced diploma but 3 years of working experience in a multinational company's HR department. I've helped to set up company policy and am strong in compensation and benefits. Who would you choose?
Right now, I am no longer attached to the MNC; I am in a small local property development company. Again, I set up the HR manual for this company, and I am handling the HR department alone.
However, education and qualifications are equally important. I am planning to take up a degree in HR to brush up my knowledge. As people always say, there is no end to learning.
Good luck to all HR professionals out there.
Ashley
From Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur
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Hi,
All the replies posted below are true. Qualifications add more value and save time on what you want to achieve in the long term. It completely depends on the company hiring you, but fresh graduates with a few years of experience, creativity, and vision make it to the higher levels in a lesser time frame than others.
From Maldives
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All the replies posted below are true. Qualifications add more value and save time on what you want to achieve in the long term. It completely depends on the company hiring you, but fresh graduates with a few years of experience, creativity, and vision make it to the higher levels in a lesser time frame than others.
From Maldives
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Hi,
We live in a world where there is lots of competition. Getting a degree is a way in which the world presumes that you are qualified in that particular field. But in reality, it's the ''experience'' which matters.
Theory prepares us and helps us to understand the subject. But then practical knowledge (that would be experience) helps us to work effectively in an organization. Hence, to practically implement anything, we need to know what the subject is all about. Therefore, at this point, the degree comes into the picture.
Then again, it depends on a company to company also. :)
Cheers, take care.
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We live in a world where there is lots of competition. Getting a degree is a way in which the world presumes that you are qualified in that particular field. But in reality, it's the ''experience'' which matters.
Theory prepares us and helps us to understand the subject. But then practical knowledge (that would be experience) helps us to work effectively in an organization. Hence, to practically implement anything, we need to know what the subject is all about. Therefore, at this point, the degree comes into the picture.
Then again, it depends on a company to company also. :)
Cheers, take care.
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Hi Gandhi,
Your question pertains to one of the classical arguments in B-schools. Before delving into that, let me rephrase your question: Do we need an MBA program? What does an MBA program aim to achieve? In my opinion, an MBA is nothing but a certain frame of mind. We can debate on this endlessly. Two parameters need to be considered in this issue: strategic and operational. Initially, most of us focus on operational work at the start of our careers, making us question why we invested in studying for an MBA, spending so much money and time. From this perspective, the argument holds validity, but the level of understanding varies among MBAs and non-MBAs. Non-MBAs, with their experience, may acquire skills and competencies over time. Here, the time factor plays a crucial role. In the long term, especially in strategic matters, your MBA program becomes invaluable. I am not suggesting that an MBA closes the gap entirely, but it certainly helps to narrow it. I hope I am making sense. With this context, let me address your question.
There is no definitive answer to your question; experience of 10 years and an MBA with 2 years of experience are not directly comparable in my view.
Regards
From India, Hyderabad
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Your question pertains to one of the classical arguments in B-schools. Before delving into that, let me rephrase your question: Do we need an MBA program? What does an MBA program aim to achieve? In my opinion, an MBA is nothing but a certain frame of mind. We can debate on this endlessly. Two parameters need to be considered in this issue: strategic and operational. Initially, most of us focus on operational work at the start of our careers, making us question why we invested in studying for an MBA, spending so much money and time. From this perspective, the argument holds validity, but the level of understanding varies among MBAs and non-MBAs. Non-MBAs, with their experience, may acquire skills and competencies over time. Here, the time factor plays a crucial role. In the long term, especially in strategic matters, your MBA program becomes invaluable. I am not suggesting that an MBA closes the gap entirely, but it certainly helps to narrow it. I hope I am making sense. With this context, let me address your question.
There is no definitive answer to your question; experience of 10 years and an MBA with 2 years of experience are not directly comparable in my view.
Regards
From India, Hyderabad
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Dear Gandhi,
MBAs from top B-schools are recruited for the value they bring to business. Their analytical, conceptual, and articulation skills are generally high. In my experience, they make good HR leads for business units within a large global corporation.
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Ravi B. S.
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MBAs from top B-schools are recruited for the value they bring to business. Their analytical, conceptual, and articulation skills are generally high. In my experience, they make good HR leads for business units within a large global corporation.
Regards,
Ravi B. S.
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Good one! Which came first, the egg or the hen?
Well, my take on this issue is as follows:
1. The difference between an MBA and a PGDBM is substantial, particularly in the strength of the institute. While even a PGDBM from IIM will get you a salary of 10 Lac or more, an MBA recognized from IGNOU will not even get you a raise of 1500+ Rupees per year. IIMs and others like ISB, MDI, and Great Lakes have not fallen into the MBA trap by awarding a PGDBM to stay outside the purview of AICTE, which, although with noble intentions, is seen as a stifling body with too many superfluous restrictions. One advantage of an MBA from third-class universities (I don't intend to derogate any institute here though) recognized by AICTE is that you can proceed to do your MPhil and PhD from the same or any other university. On the other hand, a PGDBA from one of the premier institutes will have to return to the same university to pursue a fellowship, which, although equivalent to a PhD, will not grant you a doctorate, and you will not have the privilege to call yourself a Dr.
2. Regarding whom I would employ between an experienced graduate or a fresher MBA, the choice is clear. If it is a middle-level position, I shall hire the former (Experienced Grad). However, given the option for a higher position in the organization, even if I have an Exp Grad, I would prefer to go to the market and hire an MBA (from an A or B+ institution) with at least some experience (five to six years in the relevant field) rather than an experienced graduate with 15 years of experience from an internal source. So, if I were the Exp Grad, I'd obtain some decent certifications before I am overlooked.
3. Regarding whether a correspondence course or a full-time course is better, the choice is very apparent – a full-time MBA/PGDBM course. So, if you have the time, inclination, and resources, then invest a couple of years studying in a reputable B-School and then secure lateral placement in another firm. That will benefit you greatly. However, the point here is, do not leave a secure, decent-paying job to study business management in an MBA institute that is not even worth its name.
I think I'll stop here.
Your call.
SK
From India, Mumbai
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Well, my take on this issue is as follows:
1. The difference between an MBA and a PGDBM is substantial, particularly in the strength of the institute. While even a PGDBM from IIM will get you a salary of 10 Lac or more, an MBA recognized from IGNOU will not even get you a raise of 1500+ Rupees per year. IIMs and others like ISB, MDI, and Great Lakes have not fallen into the MBA trap by awarding a PGDBM to stay outside the purview of AICTE, which, although with noble intentions, is seen as a stifling body with too many superfluous restrictions. One advantage of an MBA from third-class universities (I don't intend to derogate any institute here though) recognized by AICTE is that you can proceed to do your MPhil and PhD from the same or any other university. On the other hand, a PGDBA from one of the premier institutes will have to return to the same university to pursue a fellowship, which, although equivalent to a PhD, will not grant you a doctorate, and you will not have the privilege to call yourself a Dr.
2. Regarding whom I would employ between an experienced graduate or a fresher MBA, the choice is clear. If it is a middle-level position, I shall hire the former (Experienced Grad). However, given the option for a higher position in the organization, even if I have an Exp Grad, I would prefer to go to the market and hire an MBA (from an A or B+ institution) with at least some experience (five to six years in the relevant field) rather than an experienced graduate with 15 years of experience from an internal source. So, if I were the Exp Grad, I'd obtain some decent certifications before I am overlooked.
3. Regarding whether a correspondence course or a full-time course is better, the choice is very apparent – a full-time MBA/PGDBM course. So, if you have the time, inclination, and resources, then invest a couple of years studying in a reputable B-School and then secure lateral placement in another firm. That will benefit you greatly. However, the point here is, do not leave a secure, decent-paying job to study business management in an MBA institute that is not even worth its name.
I think I'll stop here.
Your call.
SK
From India, Mumbai
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And yes, there is one more thing I would like to mention here before I sign off:
Why are the IITians, IIM, ISB guys so much sought after? They are not sought after only because of the quality of the faculty or the buildings in which they study. Yes, these factors do make a difference, but the main thing here is the quality of the students entering the institutes. These individuals are all within the top one percentile of the participating population (those appearing in the exams), so they are presumably the best the country has to offer. In effect, the corporates get the best brains by simply recruiting from these institutes, which have already done the job of shortlisting the best from the rest and, of course, provided them with some basic skill set during their time here. This was the reason why foreign companies were coming to India to recruit from IIMs and IITs. (For those who have spent some years in the industry, they would remember what we used to call brain drain in the past.)
Thank you, and chill out.
SK
From India, Mumbai
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Why are the IITians, IIM, ISB guys so much sought after? They are not sought after only because of the quality of the faculty or the buildings in which they study. Yes, these factors do make a difference, but the main thing here is the quality of the students entering the institutes. These individuals are all within the top one percentile of the participating population (those appearing in the exams), so they are presumably the best the country has to offer. In effect, the corporates get the best brains by simply recruiting from these institutes, which have already done the job of shortlisting the best from the rest and, of course, provided them with some basic skill set during their time here. This was the reason why foreign companies were coming to India to recruit from IIMs and IITs. (For those who have spent some years in the industry, they would remember what we used to call brain drain in the past.)
Thank you, and chill out.
SK
From India, Mumbai
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Hi Gandhi, Its all depends on organisation policy, however present trends needs an MBA or PGDBA is required for HR Manager, though its not a mandate. - Aravindan
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Hi All,
Very good morning.
This is a very interesting question. In this context, my view is not different from some of our members, i.e., any degree can help a person to start his job. But in the long term, it depends on the person – what kind of person he is, what kind of exposure he has had. It is not important that someone is qualified; the main thing is to cope with real practical things.
Therefore, in my opinion, I would choose a person who is more experienced.
Regards,
Ashok
From India, Gurgaon
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Very good morning.
This is a very interesting question. In this context, my view is not different from some of our members, i.e., any degree can help a person to start his job. But in the long term, it depends on the person – what kind of person he is, what kind of exposure he has had. It is not important that someone is qualified; the main thing is to cope with real practical things.
Therefore, in my opinion, I would choose a person who is more experienced.
Regards,
Ashok
From India, Gurgaon
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Hi all,
More than qualifications, an HR manager should have experience. Qualifications and certificates are only tools through which a person can be valued, or they are steps to get into any organization. Regarding HR, a person should have patience, man management skills, and a stable mind. Qualifications are only secondary.
Regards,
Devarajan
From India, Madras
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More than qualifications, an HR manager should have experience. Qualifications and certificates are only tools through which a person can be valued, or they are steps to get into any organization. Regarding HR, a person should have patience, man management skills, and a stable mind. Qualifications are only secondary.
Regards,
Devarajan
From India, Madras
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Hi Thressa,
An MBA is not a must, but definitely helps as an added qualification or degree increases your chances of demanding a particular salary or applying for a specific post. MBA programs are practical and improve your perspective. By offering subjects like HRM, marketing, it helps one to be professionally equipped in those areas.
Coming to your main query of whether the firm would choose the grad with 10 years of experience or a fresher MBA, I think it definitely depends on the need of the company. Some factors on which this decision is based include:
- Is a postgraduate degree mandatory for the post as per the recruitment strategy?
- The range of experience the firm is looking at.
Generally, organizations choose the most cost-effective option. If the grad can serve the purpose, they may not choose the MBA.
I hope the reply is clear.
Thressa
From India, Pune
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An MBA is not a must, but definitely helps as an added qualification or degree increases your chances of demanding a particular salary or applying for a specific post. MBA programs are practical and improve your perspective. By offering subjects like HRM, marketing, it helps one to be professionally equipped in those areas.
Coming to your main query of whether the firm would choose the grad with 10 years of experience or a fresher MBA, I think it definitely depends on the need of the company. Some factors on which this decision is based include:
- Is a postgraduate degree mandatory for the post as per the recruitment strategy?
- The range of experience the firm is looking at.
Generally, organizations choose the most cost-effective option. If the grad can serve the purpose, they may not choose the MBA.
I hope the reply is clear.
Thressa
From India, Pune
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Just a few thoughts... maybe not a direct answer to the original question, but very relevant to the HR community, I hope.
I have been an external faculty member in several management institutes and would like to share my experience. Very generally speaking (there are notable exceptions, however), a graduate or even a postgraduate student may have excellent academic qualifications and distinctions, but if he/she cannot apply book knowledge, however excellent, to real-life situations practically and pragmatically, then it is a waste of time going in for postgraduate degrees which are just a few letters added to his/her basic qualifications.
In my field of Human Relations and Organisational Development, therefore, I constantly give my students personally designed case studies which they have to solve in class - even my exam question papers include at least two major case studies, and all the other questions require careful thought before they are answered (students are given an extra half-hour to complete my papers, and they make optimal use of this extra time and even then just manage to complete their answers).
In other words, I try to make them apply themselves to make it in the real world.
Any management institute that follows this practice can groom their graduates to make a success of themselves - whether the qualification they are given is an MBA or a PGDBA.
Such graduates can safely join an organization at the lowest executive grade and be able to adapt themselves to corporate life, learn, and absorb the corporate culture and knowledge base as early and easily as they can.
Older HR managers who did not have access to obtaining MBAs or PGDBAs when they were entering the industry, nevertheless through diligence and aptitude, managed to make successful managers and can guide and groom the management graduates under them. Why HR managers only? Heads of both multinationals and Indian houses have risen to their posts without management degrees.
Having said that, managers, with or without management degrees, can, at any age, through management courses, seminars, training and development, networking, increasing their knowledge base through books and the internet, hands-on experience, etc., can mold themselves into the best.
So, coming back to the original question, which is better, an MBA or a PGDBA, the real answer is: NEITHER - it is what the student acquires from any management degree from any institute and applies it to real life that matters - and hands-on experience at any level is a definite plus.
Any comments?
From India, Mumbai
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I have been an external faculty member in several management institutes and would like to share my experience. Very generally speaking (there are notable exceptions, however), a graduate or even a postgraduate student may have excellent academic qualifications and distinctions, but if he/she cannot apply book knowledge, however excellent, to real-life situations practically and pragmatically, then it is a waste of time going in for postgraduate degrees which are just a few letters added to his/her basic qualifications.
In my field of Human Relations and Organisational Development, therefore, I constantly give my students personally designed case studies which they have to solve in class - even my exam question papers include at least two major case studies, and all the other questions require careful thought before they are answered (students are given an extra half-hour to complete my papers, and they make optimal use of this extra time and even then just manage to complete their answers).
In other words, I try to make them apply themselves to make it in the real world.
Any management institute that follows this practice can groom their graduates to make a success of themselves - whether the qualification they are given is an MBA or a PGDBA.
Such graduates can safely join an organization at the lowest executive grade and be able to adapt themselves to corporate life, learn, and absorb the corporate culture and knowledge base as early and easily as they can.
Older HR managers who did not have access to obtaining MBAs or PGDBAs when they were entering the industry, nevertheless through diligence and aptitude, managed to make successful managers and can guide and groom the management graduates under them. Why HR managers only? Heads of both multinationals and Indian houses have risen to their posts without management degrees.
Having said that, managers, with or without management degrees, can, at any age, through management courses, seminars, training and development, networking, increasing their knowledge base through books and the internet, hands-on experience, etc., can mold themselves into the best.
So, coming back to the original question, which is better, an MBA or a PGDBA, the real answer is: NEITHER - it is what the student acquires from any management degree from any institute and applies it to real life that matters - and hands-on experience at any level is a definite plus.
Any comments?
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Absolutely, I agree with Manish.
Theory is much important along with experience. Just to quote my own example... I started in the field of HR as a junior/assistant to HR manager in 2000 and joined a diploma (One-year Part-time) in 2002; suddenly I got a good raise in all aspects of the job. Then I joined MHRM (Part-time MBA - evening classes) in 2004; now I am in a managerial position.
What I meant was... experience will help you to relate to things that are taught in class. No matter even if you are doing it part-time.
I feel correspondence does not give us more exposure than evening classes. Of course, it is very tiring. After office hours, we have to attend a 3-hour lecture, and we hardly have time for our family.
But for me, it has taught me how to... 1. Manage time, 2. Manage Priorities, 3. Manage People, 4. Manage Egos (that's most imp).
Full-time students get their theories in place; but lack experience; while it is the other way for others.
I would advise people who can't afford full-time study - to go for part-time evening classes because an MBA matters (and it becomes the icing on the cake: if the degree is with experience).
Rgds
Shaji
From India, Mumbai
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Theory is much important along with experience. Just to quote my own example... I started in the field of HR as a junior/assistant to HR manager in 2000 and joined a diploma (One-year Part-time) in 2002; suddenly I got a good raise in all aspects of the job. Then I joined MHRM (Part-time MBA - evening classes) in 2004; now I am in a managerial position.
What I meant was... experience will help you to relate to things that are taught in class. No matter even if you are doing it part-time.
I feel correspondence does not give us more exposure than evening classes. Of course, it is very tiring. After office hours, we have to attend a 3-hour lecture, and we hardly have time for our family.
But for me, it has taught me how to... 1. Manage time, 2. Manage Priorities, 3. Manage People, 4. Manage Egos (that's most imp).
Full-time students get their theories in place; but lack experience; while it is the other way for others.
I would advise people who can't afford full-time study - to go for part-time evening classes because an MBA matters (and it becomes the icing on the cake: if the degree is with experience).
Rgds
Shaji
From India, Mumbai
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Hi!
The demand for only regular MBAs is with the impression that they might have gone through the subject exhaustively with an introduction to all concepts. Though theoretically it may be correct, in practice, it is partly true. The rest involves thought processes, skills, and the ability to understand the situation and apply solutions at the right time and in the right manner to fulfill the requirements completely. History speaks volumes about this.
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The demand for only regular MBAs is with the impression that they might have gone through the subject exhaustively with an introduction to all concepts. Though theoretically it may be correct, in practice, it is partly true. The rest involves thought processes, skills, and the ability to understand the situation and apply solutions at the right time and in the right manner to fulfill the requirements completely. History speaks volumes about this.
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HRD is an attitude. MBA is a qualification. The world is moving away from hiring based on experience and qualifications to hiring based on attitudes and skills. Already, you can see some good companies conducting psychological tests to check attitude and involve practical checks of skills. In the days to come, hiring the right person is going to be a very costly affair, approximately equivalent to one year CTC, which is actually the case in advanced countries even today.
But how do you gain confidence that you have the right attitude? Either you have the DNA of the CEO, promoters, or owners, or you venture out and do an MBA and take the risk. We have seen many successful entrepreneurs without any formal MBA. The choice is yours because life is yours.
All the best, and for any HR problems, contact 9891776956.
Regards,
Col. Sanjiv Bhutani
From India, New Delhi
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But how do you gain confidence that you have the right attitude? Either you have the DNA of the CEO, promoters, or owners, or you venture out and do an MBA and take the risk. We have seen many successful entrepreneurs without any formal MBA. The choice is yours because life is yours.
All the best, and for any HR problems, contact 9891776956.
Regards,
Col. Sanjiv Bhutani
From India, New Delhi
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Call it superficial, brand image, or whatever... I am a recruitment consultant, and I have never come across a single job profile by a company in which an MBA is not mandatory. Even for an executive position, if you don't have the MBA stamp, you will not get in. I remember my tiff with one BPO opening. One guy was M.Com passout with excellent skills, and the other was an MBA from some Z-grade school that I hadn't even heard about. Guess who got the job?
From India, Mumbai
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From India, Mumbai
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Dear Gandhi,
Unlike CAs or ICWAs, there is no central body that regulates the membership in this profession. This being an important position dealing with compliance of statutory requirements and keeping in mind the current employee turnover and recruitment scenario, it is advisable to undergo an MBA/PGDM course. There is no legal binding on companies to hire only MBA/PGDM qualified HR Managers, but without the theoretical knowledge, they would fail to bring in HR interventions in the organization. Also, they would not be able to understand the jargon (technical words) associated with the profession, let alone the process of implementing it.
Hence, I believe an MBA or PGDM should be made mandatory for anyone who can be promoted as or wants to work as an HR Manager.
Regards,
Santosh.
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Unlike CAs or ICWAs, there is no central body that regulates the membership in this profession. This being an important position dealing with compliance of statutory requirements and keeping in mind the current employee turnover and recruitment scenario, it is advisable to undergo an MBA/PGDM course. There is no legal binding on companies to hire only MBA/PGDM qualified HR Managers, but without the theoretical knowledge, they would fail to bring in HR interventions in the organization. Also, they would not be able to understand the jargon (technical words) associated with the profession, let alone the process of implementing it.
Hence, I believe an MBA or PGDM should be made mandatory for anyone who can be promoted as or wants to work as an HR Manager.
Regards,
Santosh.
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Dear All
These days, the competition is so high that you will not be able to grow, if you are not Post Graduate or Master’s. Recently we had one debate on the Importance of Your Mode or Education.
Many people are of the view that Candidates with Distance Mode of Education are not getting similar weightage as their counterparts with regular MBA.
People also argued that those who have done their MBA through regular mode of education are less experienced and knowledgeable then their counterparts with Distance Mode of Education. People with distance mode of education are feeling ignored and neglected and their argument is that they are not getting fair treatment from the employers.
So, first thing first, in this fast paced world and cut throat competition, no company like to take any chance or experiment with the talent. The order of preference that is followed in many companies at the type of screening is as follows:
1) Full Time MBA's from Good Institutes...with good CGPA and relevant experience.
2) Full Time MBA's from not so good institute but with good percentage and slightly more experience.
3) Correspondence MBA...from Good Institutes (Like Executive MBA's from top institutes)...with good experience.
4) Then comes...Correspondence MBA...from other institutes.
Secondly, here I am making an attempt to clarify as why regular MBA’s get more weightage then those with distance mode of education? So, doing MBA is not about knowledge. It is about Grooming. It is about
1. Building Leadership Skills;
2. Strategizing the goals and vision
3. Building Entrepreneurship
4. Planning Business Models
5. Planning Strategies
6. Planning Profits
7. Risk Taking
8. Time Management
9. Handling Finances and other related things
Other factors that are in favor of regular MBA’s are:
1. Entrance Exam
2. Cost and
3. Other little sacrifices
Most of the people, if they want to get an admission into a good Management Institute, need to face an entrance such as CAT; XAT; GRE; TOFEL etc. Such entrance exams are followed by Group Discussions, Presentations and personal interviews. That shows the competitiveness in those people. Not many institutes, offering MBA through Correspondence or Distance Mode of Education have such an exhaustive mode of selection.
Two Years, regular full-Time MBA Courses are much costlier than correspondence or Distance MBA.
Lastly, those people who do their MBA in a regular mode make more personal sacrifices than those with correspondence or Distance MBA.
I have made an attempt to explain why people with regular MBA get preference over those with correspondence or Distance MBA. Let me take an example from day-to-day life. When you like to eat out, where you like to go? Don't you get advices from your elders in the family to eat at a decent place and Hygienic place?? Will you take your food or lunch at a road-side shops or unclean restaurants?
It is not that all 5-star hotels cook good food, they also make errors but chances are less. It is not that all small hotels are unhygienic or cook unhealthy food but chances are more.
It is not that those small hotels or restaurants are not doing any business. They are earning well. There are chances that one day some good and rich person will come to one of those hotels and will eat there. He might like the food and might get so impressed to do business with that hotel guy. He and might sponsor him to change his shop to a nice place by financing him. Until then, he needs to wait.
Selection process of a “Human Capital” in this competitive era of Business Environment is very much similar to selecting a Greeting Card from the Gift Shop. You don’t need to go and see all the cards. Do you? Go to the section where you can find your type of cards; Look at the cost or range; Then you consider as for whom you want to buy the card therefore look and appearance of the card is important; then comes the content of the card. The other cards…that you didn't even saw…don’t feel neglected, because they know that if they are in the Gift Shop then one day someone will surely come and pick them
Same way, those with distance education or correspondence MBA... need to wait for the right time and right opportunity. They don't need to get frustrated or be impatience. Have patience. Wait for the right opportunity. Don't try to jump...immediately after the completion of your Correspondence MBA but continues with the same company...grow within. It will help.
I hope this will help many.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
(Blog: http://sanjeevhimachali.blogspot.com/)
From India, Mumbai
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These days, the competition is so high that you will not be able to grow, if you are not Post Graduate or Master’s. Recently we had one debate on the Importance of Your Mode or Education.
Many people are of the view that Candidates with Distance Mode of Education are not getting similar weightage as their counterparts with regular MBA.
People also argued that those who have done their MBA through regular mode of education are less experienced and knowledgeable then their counterparts with Distance Mode of Education. People with distance mode of education are feeling ignored and neglected and their argument is that they are not getting fair treatment from the employers.
So, first thing first, in this fast paced world and cut throat competition, no company like to take any chance or experiment with the talent. The order of preference that is followed in many companies at the type of screening is as follows:
1) Full Time MBA's from Good Institutes...with good CGPA and relevant experience.
2) Full Time MBA's from not so good institute but with good percentage and slightly more experience.
3) Correspondence MBA...from Good Institutes (Like Executive MBA's from top institutes)...with good experience.
4) Then comes...Correspondence MBA...from other institutes.
Secondly, here I am making an attempt to clarify as why regular MBA’s get more weightage then those with distance mode of education? So, doing MBA is not about knowledge. It is about Grooming. It is about
1. Building Leadership Skills;
2. Strategizing the goals and vision
3. Building Entrepreneurship
4. Planning Business Models
5. Planning Strategies
6. Planning Profits
7. Risk Taking
8. Time Management
9. Handling Finances and other related things
Other factors that are in favor of regular MBA’s are:
1. Entrance Exam
2. Cost and
3. Other little sacrifices
Most of the people, if they want to get an admission into a good Management Institute, need to face an entrance such as CAT; XAT; GRE; TOFEL etc. Such entrance exams are followed by Group Discussions, Presentations and personal interviews. That shows the competitiveness in those people. Not many institutes, offering MBA through Correspondence or Distance Mode of Education have such an exhaustive mode of selection.
Two Years, regular full-Time MBA Courses are much costlier than correspondence or Distance MBA.
Lastly, those people who do their MBA in a regular mode make more personal sacrifices than those with correspondence or Distance MBA.
I have made an attempt to explain why people with regular MBA get preference over those with correspondence or Distance MBA. Let me take an example from day-to-day life. When you like to eat out, where you like to go? Don't you get advices from your elders in the family to eat at a decent place and Hygienic place?? Will you take your food or lunch at a road-side shops or unclean restaurants?
It is not that all 5-star hotels cook good food, they also make errors but chances are less. It is not that all small hotels are unhygienic or cook unhealthy food but chances are more.
It is not that those small hotels or restaurants are not doing any business. They are earning well. There are chances that one day some good and rich person will come to one of those hotels and will eat there. He might like the food and might get so impressed to do business with that hotel guy. He and might sponsor him to change his shop to a nice place by financing him. Until then, he needs to wait.
Selection process of a “Human Capital” in this competitive era of Business Environment is very much similar to selecting a Greeting Card from the Gift Shop. You don’t need to go and see all the cards. Do you? Go to the section where you can find your type of cards; Look at the cost or range; Then you consider as for whom you want to buy the card therefore look and appearance of the card is important; then comes the content of the card. The other cards…that you didn't even saw…don’t feel neglected, because they know that if they are in the Gift Shop then one day someone will surely come and pick them
Same way, those with distance education or correspondence MBA... need to wait for the right time and right opportunity. They don't need to get frustrated or be impatience. Have patience. Wait for the right opportunity. Don't try to jump...immediately after the completion of your Correspondence MBA but continues with the same company...grow within. It will help.
I hope this will help many.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
(Blog: http://sanjeevhimachali.blogspot.com/)
From India, Mumbai
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Hi all,
I perceive the situation in two ways:
1. An age-old professional (I mean before the advent of HR strategies) who is normally a typical Personnel & IR Manager used to deal with personnel as a Surveillance Master and used to command a lot of respect, with a nightmarish personality in many minds. Human touch was regarded as a last tool of strategy as they used to do with Unions & other Bipartite forums or a group of enraged mob agitating against management. They were all, of course, qualified with some MA(IRPM), MSW, MA(Industrial Psychology), etc. When these Personnel Managers became HR managers, continuous training to transform their personalities from IR to that of Core HR has yielded poor results as their expertise is in dealing with an Iron Hand and interpretation of Rules/Policies. Of course, the number of such personnel almost replaced/faded away over their aging. The fact that remains is they were all qualified at least with an LLB or Dip. in Labour Laws, etc. They may not be conversant with making PPTs and symposiums as we do today.
2. The other category is fresh cream coming out from B-schools and other professionally managed Management schools wherein the concepts of Management are practically taught by Case Study, Role Play, In-basket exercises, Planned Interventions, HR Strategies, Industrial visits, Benchmarking experience sharing, Group discussions, PPT presentations, Group discussions, Psychometrics, IT specialties which are supposed to have been dealt with a great deal, making these pass-outs suitable for the opportunities that wait for them. Contrary to this, anybody doing a fake MBA and PGDBMs can only gain a paper of certification without really delving into the subject. But we must accept that the objective study of these MBAs and Management Graduates gives rise to their career prospects and they prove their mettle within a short span. Their clarity on the issues will surely be higher than a non-qualified or less-qualified graduate. Contrary to this belief, if anybody performs at par or superior to these guys, they need a pat/consideration from management but surely not undermine the capabilities of the Fresh MBAs, as I mentioned above.
Yeah... I do agree any MBA/PGDBM does not confer the right to be a true HR manager; other personality traits and exposure, as our friends have put in, are to be fulfilled to really fit into the shoes of an HR manager.
Hope this clarifies, and I invite comments from other members.
Have a great day.
Srinivaskvmk
From India, Hyderabad
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I perceive the situation in two ways:
1. An age-old professional (I mean before the advent of HR strategies) who is normally a typical Personnel & IR Manager used to deal with personnel as a Surveillance Master and used to command a lot of respect, with a nightmarish personality in many minds. Human touch was regarded as a last tool of strategy as they used to do with Unions & other Bipartite forums or a group of enraged mob agitating against management. They were all, of course, qualified with some MA(IRPM), MSW, MA(Industrial Psychology), etc. When these Personnel Managers became HR managers, continuous training to transform their personalities from IR to that of Core HR has yielded poor results as their expertise is in dealing with an Iron Hand and interpretation of Rules/Policies. Of course, the number of such personnel almost replaced/faded away over their aging. The fact that remains is they were all qualified at least with an LLB or Dip. in Labour Laws, etc. They may not be conversant with making PPTs and symposiums as we do today.
2. The other category is fresh cream coming out from B-schools and other professionally managed Management schools wherein the concepts of Management are practically taught by Case Study, Role Play, In-basket exercises, Planned Interventions, HR Strategies, Industrial visits, Benchmarking experience sharing, Group discussions, PPT presentations, Group discussions, Psychometrics, IT specialties which are supposed to have been dealt with a great deal, making these pass-outs suitable for the opportunities that wait for them. Contrary to this, anybody doing a fake MBA and PGDBMs can only gain a paper of certification without really delving into the subject. But we must accept that the objective study of these MBAs and Management Graduates gives rise to their career prospects and they prove their mettle within a short span. Their clarity on the issues will surely be higher than a non-qualified or less-qualified graduate. Contrary to this belief, if anybody performs at par or superior to these guys, they need a pat/consideration from management but surely not undermine the capabilities of the Fresh MBAs, as I mentioned above.
Yeah... I do agree any MBA/PGDBM does not confer the right to be a true HR manager; other personality traits and exposure, as our friends have put in, are to be fulfilled to really fit into the shoes of an HR manager.
Hope this clarifies, and I invite comments from other members.
Have a great day.
Srinivaskvmk
From India, Hyderabad
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Hi friend,
Though there is a huge difference in practical work and theoretical work, there is still a need for education. When someone without an MBA gets a post in 10 years, the person with an MBA can achieve that position perhaps within 3-4 years, isn't it? So there is always a need for education. Without an MBA, a person cannot perform at the level that someone with an MBA does. Why did Anil Ambani do an MBA? Why did Ratan Tata pursue an MBA at 52?
Thank you.
From India, Bhubaneswar
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Though there is a huge difference in practical work and theoretical work, there is still a need for education. When someone without an MBA gets a post in 10 years, the person with an MBA can achieve that position perhaps within 3-4 years, isn't it? So there is always a need for education. Without an MBA, a person cannot perform at the level that someone with an MBA does. Why did Anil Ambani do an MBA? Why did Ratan Tata pursue an MBA at 52?
Thank you.
From India, Bhubaneswar
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Hi Sunayana,
You are currently working with a recruitment company, and I have also worked with one. Based on my experience in Recruitment Consultancy, I can share the following views:
1. If a person has relevant experience in the same industry and field and is a performer, they will definitely have an edge over an MBA fresher.
2. Big companies like Reliance, Star TV, Quark, etc., give preference to relevant experience.
3. A person who is a bookworm cannot share practical experiences, which in turn yields no results for the company.
Education is essential, but relevant experience definitely comes first.
Deepali
From India, Chandigarh
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You are currently working with a recruitment company, and I have also worked with one. Based on my experience in Recruitment Consultancy, I can share the following views:
1. If a person has relevant experience in the same industry and field and is a performer, they will definitely have an edge over an MBA fresher.
2. Big companies like Reliance, Star TV, Quark, etc., give preference to relevant experience.
3. A person who is a bookworm cannot share practical experiences, which in turn yields no results for the company.
Education is essential, but relevant experience definitely comes first.
Deepali
From India, Chandigarh
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Hi,
Of course, education matters, but my experience is that experience, personality, and attitude are much more important. In India, there is a high focus on the "right" educational institutes, but I can say that I rarely look at it that much. In the European MNC I work for, we do not have any standards for required educational background.
Seriously, if I had a person with 10 years of experience and an MBA fresher, I would not think 2 seconds before I hired the experienced person. An MBA can never cover for 10 years of experience. An MBA is more or less gained on a school bench, which of course will give you a great idea about the industry, etc., but real life is not there. Of course, if I was choosing between an MBA and a BA fresher, I would choose the MBA - education is important and it gives you a great starting point.
From India, Delhi
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Of course, education matters, but my experience is that experience, personality, and attitude are much more important. In India, there is a high focus on the "right" educational institutes, but I can say that I rarely look at it that much. In the European MNC I work for, we do not have any standards for required educational background.
Seriously, if I had a person with 10 years of experience and an MBA fresher, I would not think 2 seconds before I hired the experienced person. An MBA can never cover for 10 years of experience. An MBA is more or less gained on a school bench, which of course will give you a great idea about the industry, etc., but real life is not there. Of course, if I was choosing between an MBA and a BA fresher, I would choose the MBA - education is important and it gives you a great starting point.
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Deepali...I think there is a conflict. Doing MBA is not about studying (Being Book Warms) it is beyond that. Doing MBA is not about knowledge. It is about Grooming. It is about
1. Building Leadership Skills;
2. Strategizing the goals and vision
3. Building Entrepreneurship
4. Planning Business Models
5. Planning Strategies
6. Planning Profits
7. Risk Taking
8. Time Management
9. Handling Finances and other related things
These are the things people cannot learn on their own.
Other factors that are in favor of regular MBA’s are:
1. Entrance Exam
2. Cost and
3. Other little sacrifices
Most of the people, if they want to get an admission into a good Management Institute, need to face an entrance such as CAT; XAT; GRE; TOFEL etc. Such entrance exams are followed by Group Discussions, Presentations and personal interviews. That shows the competitiveness in those people. Not many institutes, offering MBA through Correspondence or Distance Mode of Education have such an exhaustive mode of selection.
Yes, without MBA (in fact Without Regular MBA) one can get job...can also grow to certain level in hierarchy but after that it get stagnant.
I hope this will help.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
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1. Building Leadership Skills;
2. Strategizing the goals and vision
3. Building Entrepreneurship
4. Planning Business Models
5. Planning Strategies
6. Planning Profits
7. Risk Taking
8. Time Management
9. Handling Finances and other related things
These are the things people cannot learn on their own.
Other factors that are in favor of regular MBA’s are:
1. Entrance Exam
2. Cost and
3. Other little sacrifices
Most of the people, if they want to get an admission into a good Management Institute, need to face an entrance such as CAT; XAT; GRE; TOFEL etc. Such entrance exams are followed by Group Discussions, Presentations and personal interviews. That shows the competitiveness in those people. Not many institutes, offering MBA through Correspondence or Distance Mode of Education have such an exhaustive mode of selection.
Yes, without MBA (in fact Without Regular MBA) one can get job...can also grow to certain level in hierarchy but after that it get stagnant.
I hope this will help.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
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Hi,
I agree with your point, but let me share from my experience in three companies. Whenever companies visit campuses, they typically seek graduates from reputable institutes that align with their profiles. On the other hand, if you join an organization without a degree or diploma but demonstrate a willingness to learn, the organization will embrace you. This happened to me and three of my colleagues. Currently, I am working at one of the top three IT companies in India. Here, I have observed many employees without HR or other supporting degrees. Approximately 40 individuals work in support roles and excel in their performance, much to the company's satisfaction. While a degree or diploma may aid in theoretical learning, being prepared for practical experiences will make companies consider you.
From India, Pune
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I agree with your point, but let me share from my experience in three companies. Whenever companies visit campuses, they typically seek graduates from reputable institutes that align with their profiles. On the other hand, if you join an organization without a degree or diploma but demonstrate a willingness to learn, the organization will embrace you. This happened to me and three of my colleagues. Currently, I am working at one of the top three IT companies in India. Here, I have observed many employees without HR or other supporting degrees. Approximately 40 individuals work in support roles and excel in their performance, much to the company's satisfaction. While a degree or diploma may aid in theoretical learning, being prepared for practical experiences will make companies consider you.
From India, Pune
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Hi,
Just to comment on the always ongoing debate regarding full-time MBAs and correspondence.
As an HR Manager, I really don't care how much it has cost you, how many "personal sacrifices" you have made, etc. I care about what you can perform. I have had people here for interviews with correspondence MBAs that have been brilliant and full-time MBAs (also from great institutes) that have had such an attitude problem that I would simply not hire them.
We need to focus on performance more than the right institute, the right education, etc. My biggest problem working for an MNC is to find the right attitude, good communication skills, and great interpersonal skills. Of course, we also have to be fair and say that your chance of showing us your skills in this regard is greater when you have a full-time MBA from a good institute, but when I am looking for a person for my HR team, I try not to look into the educational background. Then I call people for a short phone interview, and if they seem to have the right skills, I will ask about their educational background and even more important experience.
Again, if you have good experience and a correspondence MBA, you will have a better chance with me than a fresher with a full-time MBA.
From India, Delhi
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Just to comment on the always ongoing debate regarding full-time MBAs and correspondence.
As an HR Manager, I really don't care how much it has cost you, how many "personal sacrifices" you have made, etc. I care about what you can perform. I have had people here for interviews with correspondence MBAs that have been brilliant and full-time MBAs (also from great institutes) that have had such an attitude problem that I would simply not hire them.
We need to focus on performance more than the right institute, the right education, etc. My biggest problem working for an MNC is to find the right attitude, good communication skills, and great interpersonal skills. Of course, we also have to be fair and say that your chance of showing us your skills in this regard is greater when you have a full-time MBA from a good institute, but when I am looking for a person for my HR team, I try not to look into the educational background. Then I call people for a short phone interview, and if they seem to have the right skills, I will ask about their educational background and even more important experience.
Again, if you have good experience and a correspondence MBA, you will have a better chance with me than a fresher with a full-time MBA.
From India, Delhi
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Yes, without an MBA (in fact, without a regular MBA), one can get a job and can also grow to a certain level in the hierarchy, but after that, it gets stagnant.
This, I simply do not agree with - hopefully, everybody today understands that getting a job is not the end of learning. You will need to keep yourself updated throughout your life, and what you learned at the age of 20 will not be so up-to-date when you are 40! Even with an MBA, you will need to take training and courses for the rest of your life.
If a company only promotes people based on their educational background, I would personally choose not to work there. I have an MBA myself, but I want to be promoted because of my performance, not because of my educational background.
From India, Delhi
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This, I simply do not agree with - hopefully, everybody today understands that getting a job is not the end of learning. You will need to keep yourself updated throughout your life, and what you learned at the age of 20 will not be so up-to-date when you are 40! Even with an MBA, you will need to take training and courses for the rest of your life.
If a company only promotes people based on their educational background, I would personally choose not to work there. I have an MBA myself, but I want to be promoted because of my performance, not because of my educational background.
From India, Delhi
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Hi Randi,
It's not like that. The debate here is "Is it mandatory for practicing managers to have an MBA or PGDBM or equivalent or not?" As you rightly said, one has to hone up his/her skills continuously and keep referring to the latest trends emerging across the globe. Basically, a qualified person will have an edge over others, and hence the need for a formal professional degree. I do endorse your view that elevation must always be considered in line with the potential for upgrading one's skills.
Have a nice day.
Srinivaskvmk
From India, Hyderabad
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It's not like that. The debate here is "Is it mandatory for practicing managers to have an MBA or PGDBM or equivalent or not?" As you rightly said, one has to hone up his/her skills continuously and keep referring to the latest trends emerging across the globe. Basically, a qualified person will have an edge over others, and hence the need for a formal professional degree. I do endorse your view that elevation must always be considered in line with the potential for upgrading one's skills.
Have a nice day.
Srinivaskvmk
From India, Hyderabad
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Hi all,
I think the preference will definitely be given to MBA. If you see in mostly all the MNCs and CMM and PCMM level 5 organisations, the desired profile is MBA as they list MBA in their prerequisites. So, in that case, graduates can never apply to those organizations regardless of the number of years of experience they have.
I am a graduate with 5 years of experience in HR, but when I apply for HR Manager or even AM HR positions, they say we need only MBAs for Manager positions.
So, I think MBAs in HR will definitely have an edge over graduates with 10 years of experience.
Regards,
Roop
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
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I think the preference will definitely be given to MBA. If you see in mostly all the MNCs and CMM and PCMM level 5 organisations, the desired profile is MBA as they list MBA in their prerequisites. So, in that case, graduates can never apply to those organizations regardless of the number of years of experience they have.
I am a graduate with 5 years of experience in HR, but when I apply for HR Manager or even AM HR positions, they say we need only MBAs for Manager positions.
So, I think MBAs in HR will definitely have an edge over graduates with 10 years of experience.
Regards,
Roop
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
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Dear,
An MBA in HR is a professional who has studied not only about HR but also about many other connected subjects like Management, Finance Management, Materials Management, Systems Management, Organizational Design, and a host of other subjects like Strategic Management. In all, 21 subjects are dealt with normally by any MBA student. Added to that, there is a Project Study which gives hands-on experience on the subject. Their overall knowledge will be terrific because of the extensive knowledge of varied subjects as well as intensive knowledge of the specialization subjects. It does not matter whether one has done the MBA through correspondence, full-time, or part-time. The course initiates you into a whole world of knowledge. Finally, it depends on you as to how you make use of it. Also, one should be a continuous learner as knowledge is knowledge only when it is current.
R. Sundararjan
sundarjan@yahoo.co.in
From India, Madras
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An MBA in HR is a professional who has studied not only about HR but also about many other connected subjects like Management, Finance Management, Materials Management, Systems Management, Organizational Design, and a host of other subjects like Strategic Management. In all, 21 subjects are dealt with normally by any MBA student. Added to that, there is a Project Study which gives hands-on experience on the subject. Their overall knowledge will be terrific because of the extensive knowledge of varied subjects as well as intensive knowledge of the specialization subjects. It does not matter whether one has done the MBA through correspondence, full-time, or part-time. The course initiates you into a whole world of knowledge. Finally, it depends on you as to how you make use of it. Also, one should be a continuous learner as knowledge is knowledge only when it is current.
R. Sundararjan
sundarjan@yahoo.co.in
From India, Madras
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Dear Friends,
Sometimes a layman may be far better than an educated man. Even though we acquire more qualifications, the person with experience is better suited for practical work. The management is always seeking things to be done either hick or crook. Qualifications are useful just like a 'licence'. However, mere textual knowledge is not sufficient; you should implement what you have studied in an amicable way.
"Education means that process by which character is formed, strength of mind is increased, and intellect is sharpened, as a result of which one can stand on one's own feet." - SWAMI VIVEKANANDA
My boss is a graduate only, but he has a wide knowledge of the P&A section. I myself hold 13 degrees, including Graduation, Post Graduation, and PG Diplomas. However, I am always proud of my boss because he has good practical knowledge of how to face problems, which is what management wants. For systems implementation, a qualified person is needed.
EXPERIENCE MAKES MAN PERFECT.
Regards,
PBS KUMAR
From India, Kakinada
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Sometimes a layman may be far better than an educated man. Even though we acquire more qualifications, the person with experience is better suited for practical work. The management is always seeking things to be done either hick or crook. Qualifications are useful just like a 'licence'. However, mere textual knowledge is not sufficient; you should implement what you have studied in an amicable way.
"Education means that process by which character is formed, strength of mind is increased, and intellect is sharpened, as a result of which one can stand on one's own feet." - SWAMI VIVEKANANDA
My boss is a graduate only, but he has a wide knowledge of the P&A section. I myself hold 13 degrees, including Graduation, Post Graduation, and PG Diplomas. However, I am always proud of my boss because he has good practical knowledge of how to face problems, which is what management wants. For systems implementation, a qualified person is needed.
EXPERIENCE MAKES MAN PERFECT.
Regards,
PBS KUMAR
From India, Kakinada
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I should like to repeat what I had said earlier:
"I have been an external faculty member in several management institutes and would like to share my experience. Very generally speaking (there are notable exceptions, however), a graduate or even a postgraduate student may have excellent academic qualifications and distinctions. But if he/she cannot apply book knowledge, however excellent, to real-life situations practically and pragmatically, then it is a waste of time going in for postgraduate degrees which are just a few letters added to his/her basic qualifications.
Such (non-management) graduates can safely join an organization at the lowest executive grade and be able to adapt themselves to corporate life, learn, and absorb the corporate culture and knowledge base as early and easily as they can.
Older HR managers who did not have access to obtaining MBAs or PGDBAs when they were entering the industry, nevertheless through diligence and aptitude, managed to make successful managers and can guide and groom the management graduates under them. Why HR managers only? Heads of both multinationals and Indian houses have risen to their posts without management degrees.
Having said that, managers, with or without management degrees, can, at any age, through management courses, seminars, training and development, networking, increasing their knowledge base through books and the internet, hands-on experience, etc., can mold themselves into the best.
So, coming back to the original question, which is better, an MBA or a PGDBA, the real answer is: NEITHER - it is what the student acquires from any management degree from any institute and applies it to real life that matters - and hands-on experience at any level is a definite plus."
From India, Mumbai
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"I have been an external faculty member in several management institutes and would like to share my experience. Very generally speaking (there are notable exceptions, however), a graduate or even a postgraduate student may have excellent academic qualifications and distinctions. But if he/she cannot apply book knowledge, however excellent, to real-life situations practically and pragmatically, then it is a waste of time going in for postgraduate degrees which are just a few letters added to his/her basic qualifications.
Such (non-management) graduates can safely join an organization at the lowest executive grade and be able to adapt themselves to corporate life, learn, and absorb the corporate culture and knowledge base as early and easily as they can.
Older HR managers who did not have access to obtaining MBAs or PGDBAs when they were entering the industry, nevertheless through diligence and aptitude, managed to make successful managers and can guide and groom the management graduates under them. Why HR managers only? Heads of both multinationals and Indian houses have risen to their posts without management degrees.
Having said that, managers, with or without management degrees, can, at any age, through management courses, seminars, training and development, networking, increasing their knowledge base through books and the internet, hands-on experience, etc., can mold themselves into the best.
So, coming back to the original question, which is better, an MBA or a PGDBA, the real answer is: NEITHER - it is what the student acquires from any management degree from any institute and applies it to real life that matters - and hands-on experience at any level is a definite plus."
From India, Mumbai
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Hi,
These days, an MBA and other relevant degrees have assumed importance in acquiring better jobs or positions. It reflects a learning attitude. The more degrees one has, the more knowledge people perceive.
However, what is truly important is subject knowledge and hands-on experience. For that, one does not necessarily require a degree.
Regards,
Jitendra
From United States, Boston
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These days, an MBA and other relevant degrees have assumed importance in acquiring better jobs or positions. It reflects a learning attitude. The more degrees one has, the more knowledge people perceive.
However, what is truly important is subject knowledge and hands-on experience. For that, one does not necessarily require a degree.
Regards,
Jitendra
From United States, Boston
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Hi Gandhi,
Indeed, a topic that befits my personal experience. I have been in leadership roles for most of my working career, which spans over 3 decades. It is really important to pursue formal studies. Today, I am in a position where I am updated and at par with the latest developments in HR management.
Bosco
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Indeed, a topic that befits my personal experience. I have been in leadership roles for most of my working career, which spans over 3 decades. It is really important to pursue formal studies. Today, I am in a position where I am updated and at par with the latest developments in HR management.
Bosco
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Hi All,
I strongly agree with the point that prior work experience is crucial before pursuing an MBA/PGDHRM. When I talk about my case, I am basically a B.E. graduate working as a recruiter in a small consultancy with nearly 2 years of experience. I have an idea to pursue a correspondence course in Symbiosis (PGDHRM) with the belief that it will aid me in achieving my goal of becoming an HR Executive/Manager, which is also my passion. Currently, I am facing great confusion regarding whether I should pursue HR courses or not.
In my circle, I am receiving differing suggestions:
1. Some believe that moving from a recruiter role to an HR-related job necessitates an MBA, as many corporations prefer to hire MBA/PG graduates for their reputation.
2. Others argue that a UG degree alone is sufficient to become an HR Executive/Manager. Moreover, pursuing an MBA is challenging due to my long work hours, and a correspondence course may not provide as much valuable knowledge as a regular course, which is highly regarded by corporations.
3. There is also advice suggesting that there is no need to transition into an HR role. Even in recruitment, one can achieve good designations and earnings.
I am currently uncertain about the best course of action for my career advancement. While the suggestions I have received may have merit in some aspects, I am seeking a comparative analysis and insights into the current market trends. I believe individuals like you may have experienced similar scenarios, and I would greatly appreciate your help in finding a solution.
-Siva (siva345@gmail.com)
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I strongly agree with the point that prior work experience is crucial before pursuing an MBA/PGDHRM. When I talk about my case, I am basically a B.E. graduate working as a recruiter in a small consultancy with nearly 2 years of experience. I have an idea to pursue a correspondence course in Symbiosis (PGDHRM) with the belief that it will aid me in achieving my goal of becoming an HR Executive/Manager, which is also my passion. Currently, I am facing great confusion regarding whether I should pursue HR courses or not.
In my circle, I am receiving differing suggestions:
1. Some believe that moving from a recruiter role to an HR-related job necessitates an MBA, as many corporations prefer to hire MBA/PG graduates for their reputation.
2. Others argue that a UG degree alone is sufficient to become an HR Executive/Manager. Moreover, pursuing an MBA is challenging due to my long work hours, and a correspondence course may not provide as much valuable knowledge as a regular course, which is highly regarded by corporations.
3. There is also advice suggesting that there is no need to transition into an HR role. Even in recruitment, one can achieve good designations and earnings.
I am currently uncertain about the best course of action for my career advancement. While the suggestions I have received may have merit in some aspects, I am seeking a comparative analysis and insights into the current market trends. I believe individuals like you may have experienced similar scenarios, and I would greatly appreciate your help in finding a solution.
-Siva (siva345@gmail.com)
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