Hii all,
No need to send annual return (i.e.,3A,6A),if you check epf online website then you can come to know no correspondence is required but we need to send only Nomination and Declaration form-2 only.
Every month Employee Ecr file is there , now a days member passbook also available in the portal.
Thanks & Regards
R K Varaprasad Molli
From India, Vijayawada
1No need to send annual return (i.e.,3A,6A),if you check epf online website then you can come to know no correspondence is required but we need to send only Nomination and Declaration form-2 only.
Every month Employee Ecr file is there , now a days member passbook also available in the portal.
Thanks & Regards
R K Varaprasad Molli
From India, Vijayawada
Hello sir,
Thanks for your reply.
We have EPF amount transferred through ECR mode. We have already contact with EPF regional office at Royapettah for this regarding. They are advised to me send your query through mail to
. After that they are provide any provision for rectify this issue. We have mail sent on 1st February 2013. But reply was not yet received for the same.
We need your best advise for rectifying this issue.
Thanks & Regards,
Malairajan
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We have filled our monthly returns in form 5 & 10 for the year 2011-12 for addition and deletion of employees. While preparing the form 5 we have erroneously omitted allotting PF a/c number for two employees. We have found the mistake and rectified the same while preparing form 3A and 6A for the year 2011-12. We have also submitted revised form 5 and form 10 for above said period. While preparing ECR challan from March 2012 to December 2012 the same mistake was not rectified. We have given below list of employees name and account number with correct account number. Please provide us provision for rectify the mistakes through online or advise us to rectify the same.
From India, Chennai
Thanks for your reply.
We have EPF amount transferred through ECR mode. We have already contact with EPF regional office at Royapettah for this regarding. They are advised to me send your query through mail to
We need your best advise for rectifying this issue.
Thanks & Regards,
Malairajan
MAIL DETAILS FOR YOUR REFERENCE
We have filled our monthly returns in form 5 & 10 for the year 2011-12 for addition and deletion of employees. While preparing the form 5 we have erroneously omitted allotting PF a/c number for two employees. We have found the mistake and rectified the same while preparing form 3A and 6A for the year 2011-12. We have also submitted revised form 5 and form 10 for above said period. While preparing ECR challan from March 2012 to December 2012 the same mistake was not rectified. We have given below list of employees name and account number with correct account number. Please provide us provision for rectify the mistakes through online or advise us to rectify the same.
From India, Chennai
PF office personnel able to rectify your issue, contact Royapettah PF office IT personnel through your section clerk and establish a GOOD relation. He is the only person to solve the issue.
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Dear all,
I have gone through the discussion. our members are right no need to submitt Form 5,10,12, 3A & 6A.
Few of our members are advised that no need to submitt form 2. But if you are not submitting Form 2 at the time of new joining, how the employee can with draw at the time of leaving the organization.
For withdrawl we need to submit form 10(C),(D) & 19. is PF office going to accept these forms without signature. If we are not submitted Form2, at the time of withdrawl on what basis PF office can identify the person.
So, we need to submit Form 2 at the time of new joining.
From India, Hyderabad
I have gone through the discussion. our members are right no need to submitt Form 5,10,12, 3A & 6A.
Few of our members are advised that no need to submitt form 2. But if you are not submitting Form 2 at the time of new joining, how the employee can with draw at the time of leaving the organization.
For withdrawl we need to submit form 10(C),(D) & 19. is PF office going to accept these forms without signature. If we are not submitted Form2, at the time of withdrawl on what basis PF office can identify the person.
So, we need to submit Form 2 at the time of new joining.
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Mr. Suresh,
During the claim process, every where (ie. form 19, 10C / 10D), employer's authorized signatory is authorizing the member. Also while claim process, member has to submit Bank account details, photo ID and DOB ID. Employer's authorized signatory will authorize all these documents, then only PF office will consider the form for claim. PF office does not know about any member and they are only believing authorized person. Hence once you authorized, claim process will go on further. Now a days, without employer's authorization, member will not able to claim PF amount. With a view of this, no need to submit form 2 during member's joining. Form 2 is only employer's document and it is required in case of death to findout the nominee.
If you want to examine this, just you send Form 2 to PF office and then send form 19, 10C / 10 D without authorization (because you already submitted form 2 and as per your point of view, PF office will identify the member with the help of Form 2) and you see, whether PF office will process or not !
From India, Mumbai
During the claim process, every where (ie. form 19, 10C / 10D), employer's authorized signatory is authorizing the member. Also while claim process, member has to submit Bank account details, photo ID and DOB ID. Employer's authorized signatory will authorize all these documents, then only PF office will consider the form for claim. PF office does not know about any member and they are only believing authorized person. Hence once you authorized, claim process will go on further. Now a days, without employer's authorization, member will not able to claim PF amount. With a view of this, no need to submit form 2 during member's joining. Form 2 is only employer's document and it is required in case of death to findout the nominee.
If you want to examine this, just you send Form 2 to PF office and then send form 19, 10C / 10 D without authorization (because you already submitted form 2 and as per your point of view, PF office will identify the member with the help of Form 2) and you see, whether PF office will process or not !
From India, Mumbai
Dear Mr.Guru,
Thanks for your comments. every one knows about that without authorized signatory PF office not going to process the cliam. How can they validate the PF member without having signature. If you want to know wether PF office is going to check the Form 2 at the time of cliam process, you just do different signatures in form 2 and cliaming forms. Then you can see the difference. If you get cliam without complications, please let me know.
From India, Hyderabad
Thanks for your comments. every one knows about that without authorized signatory PF office not going to process the cliam. How can they validate the PF member without having signature. If you want to know wether PF office is going to check the Form 2 at the time of cliam process, you just do different signatures in form 2 and cliaming forms. Then you can see the difference. If you get cliam without complications, please let me know.
From India, Hyderabad
Yes Mr. Suresh, we have done in many cases. When a member joined before 7-8 years and now if he goes for claim procedure, his signature will be the different one. Even if you do 10 signatures at a time, all 10 signatures are will not be identical. More over, when an employer authorizes, PF office must process the claim and they only verify the member name on form 5, form 9, claim form and bank account will be same or not. After introducing e-seva, this also made very easy and we should ensure that the name in bank account no, claim form and contribution name should be identical when authorizing.
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Dear Guru,
Thanks for sharing info. Here i would like to share some information from my past experience. One known person to me joined in XYZ company and he served for 2 years and he left the job. After one year he joined with the same organization, new account no has been allotted to him. He would like transfer old account amount to new A/C. He just enquired about old account status in the RPF, they said that the amount has withdrawn by benificary. He shocked and came to me for help. Then me and him went to the RPF and met the concern clerk. He said the account was settled, we have gone through records also. Then clerk told me the importance of Form 2. As you said that if employer validate the signature of the worng person, this type of cases will happen.
My advise to submitt form 2. Definately it will help to the concern employee.
Note: He employed in the year 2002 and re employed in the year 2005. The concen authorised person left the job in the year 2003.
From India, Hyderabad
Thanks for sharing info. Here i would like to share some information from my past experience. One known person to me joined in XYZ company and he served for 2 years and he left the job. After one year he joined with the same organization, new account no has been allotted to him. He would like transfer old account amount to new A/C. He just enquired about old account status in the RPF, they said that the amount has withdrawn by benificary. He shocked and came to me for help. Then me and him went to the RPF and met the concern clerk. He said the account was settled, we have gone through records also. Then clerk told me the importance of Form 2. As you said that if employer validate the signature of the worng person, this type of cases will happen.
My advise to submitt form 2. Definately it will help to the concern employee.
Note: He employed in the year 2002 and re employed in the year 2005. The concen authorised person left the job in the year 2003.
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Sirs,
My problem is I had appointed on person Mr.x on oct'2011 and alotted pf no. to him and form 5 sent to pf office along with form 2 and his contribution for the month of oct'2010 remitted as per procedure then this person left from service on 30th Nov.2010 only one month worked in our concern and form 10 also sent to pf office intimation of left service these are all manual operations, then a new person Mr.y appointed on 1st june 2012 but unfortunately and by mistake i alotted pf no the same number allotted to Mr.x through ecr upload . now my question is how can i change the no alotted to Mr.y
From India, Trichy
My problem is I had appointed on person Mr.x on oct'2011 and alotted pf no. to him and form 5 sent to pf office along with form 2 and his contribution for the month of oct'2010 remitted as per procedure then this person left from service on 30th Nov.2010 only one month worked in our concern and form 10 also sent to pf office intimation of left service these are all manual operations, then a new person Mr.y appointed on 1st june 2012 but unfortunately and by mistake i alotted pf no the same number allotted to Mr.x through ecr upload . now my question is how can i change the no alotted to Mr.y
From India, Trichy
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