Dear Rajeev,
What Praveen says and what you say are entirely two different things. I agree with you but I can not help him more than what I have already said.
What you say is that change is inevitable no matter whether we wish or not. This is natural law. Again no body can change this law of change. This happens spontaneously. Praveen is saying about a change by a plan and design by some one else.
regards
From India, Delhi
174What Praveen says and what you say are entirely two different things. I agree with you but I can not help him more than what I have already said.
What you say is that change is inevitable no matter whether we wish or not. This is natural law. Again no body can change this law of change. This happens spontaneously. Praveen is saying about a change by a plan and design by some one else.
regards
From India, Delhi
Dear Praveen,
It is interesting that your apparent disagreement is agreement with me. I told that you want to change your boss and your boss wants to change you. Who can change whom?
You initiated this thread as subordinate self. But in this post your boss-self is speaking. Right?
regards
From India, Delhi
It is interesting that your apparent disagreement is agreement with me. I told that you want to change your boss and your boss wants to change you. Who can change whom?
You initiated this thread as subordinate self. But in this post your boss-self is speaking. Right?
regards
From India, Delhi
Hi Praveen,
I was just following the views of everybody for your posting. It is interesting. I agree and also disagree with Dr. Jogeshwar! Firstly, who are you to change the mindset of others, your senior employees? Do you think that you have the right mindset? In their view, your mindset is not alright! They are thinking how to change the mindset of the juniors!!
Is it not?
Then, secondly, changing the mindset of the seniors is not all that easy. You have to loose something to gain something, right! You only have to play with their EGO!! First be bold, be accommadative to accept their mindset. That will satisfy their ego! Then play your cards carefully so that they have no option than to change their mindset! They will! because their ego is already satisfied!
-Srinaren
From India, Bangalore
I was just following the views of everybody for your posting. It is interesting. I agree and also disagree with Dr. Jogeshwar! Firstly, who are you to change the mindset of others, your senior employees? Do you think that you have the right mindset? In their view, your mindset is not alright! They are thinking how to change the mindset of the juniors!!
Is it not?
Then, secondly, changing the mindset of the seniors is not all that easy. You have to loose something to gain something, right! You only have to play with their EGO!! First be bold, be accommadative to accept their mindset. That will satisfy their ego! Then play your cards carefully so that they have no option than to change their mindset! They will! because their ego is already satisfied!
-Srinaren
From India, Bangalore
Umesh,
Your comment is fine and looks practical but my friend How will you get your work done if you let them just be what they are? Lets take one example Viz. Some senior managers disagree with the format of employee appraisal and refuse to participate in filling it for the junior employees. How will you get your work done?
This is just one example of mindset Dr. and yes We are talking about the mindset being changed.
Regards
Praveen
From India
Your comment is fine and looks practical but my friend How will you get your work done if you let them just be what they are? Lets take one example Viz. Some senior managers disagree with the format of employee appraisal and refuse to participate in filling it for the junior employees. How will you get your work done?
This is just one example of mindset Dr. and yes We are talking about the mindset being changed.
Regards
Praveen
From India
Srinaren,
You are absolutely right in your observation. Other managers try to get everyone else follow their methodology of working. This leads to a clash of ego in all.
Your second point clearly states between the lines Organizational Politics is due to these factors. When we try to change someone it involves certain amount of manipulation which if I can term it to be called Inter Organization Politics.
There seems to be no respite to this and no Organization either big or small can escape this.
But I have in my observation understood that if you stick to your principle and make sure it is in place even with one small team then in the longer run people do get to see the benefits of your work and come around to join you in your thinking.
I started this thread to explore better ways to handle these kind of situations which I am sure every Organization is facing.
Your feedback is very important please do let me know.
Regards
Praveen
From India
You are absolutely right in your observation. Other managers try to get everyone else follow their methodology of working. This leads to a clash of ego in all.
Your second point clearly states between the lines Organizational Politics is due to these factors. When we try to change someone it involves certain amount of manipulation which if I can term it to be called Inter Organization Politics.
There seems to be no respite to this and no Organization either big or small can escape this.
But I have in my observation understood that if you stick to your principle and make sure it is in place even with one small team then in the longer run people do get to see the benefits of your work and come around to join you in your thinking.
I started this thread to explore better ways to handle these kind of situations which I am sure every Organization is facing.
Your feedback is very important please do let me know.
Regards
Praveen
From India
"I started this thread to explore better ways to handle these kind of situations which I am sure every Organization is facing.
Your feedback is very important please do let me know.
Regards
Praveen"
Yes, Now the focus of discussion has changed. It is now a search of harmony. Right?
regards
From India, Delhi
Your feedback is very important please do let me know.
Regards
Praveen"
Yes, Now the focus of discussion has changed. It is now a search of harmony. Right?
regards
From India, Delhi
Hi Praveen,
You are right in saying that every Organisation is facing similar situations. There will be definitely two or more mindsets working in a place of action. But, let us accept one thing - whose mindset is good for the Organisation? Do you know? If you say, how to change the mindset of Seniors, in not accepting something new by them has some valid reason. Being a senior person, his mindset is built upon so many factors including his age, experience, situations (both winning & loosing), background, education, wisdom etc., These people will always bank on their experience. But one thing they should understand or rather we have to make them understand is that they are right during those situations and the situations today demand something more. We have to take the initiative to make them understand by making some small changes in ones mindset, what good things can be achieved. But remember, you should never hurt their ego!
For a person, who wants to change or attempts to change the mindset of others, should remember that he should alwlays have lot of patience, clear in what he is talking about, convincing ability rather than confronting, wisdom.
I agree with you, that you can have a small group with the changed mindset, work and demonstrate to the seniors that by changing ones mindset, things will change for the better of the organisation.
I am of the opinion, there should be brainstorming sessions organised and make everybody present their views and once your plan of changing the mindset garners majority, you are half won the battle.
Cheers,
Srinaren
From India, Bangalore
You are right in saying that every Organisation is facing similar situations. There will be definitely two or more mindsets working in a place of action. But, let us accept one thing - whose mindset is good for the Organisation? Do you know? If you say, how to change the mindset of Seniors, in not accepting something new by them has some valid reason. Being a senior person, his mindset is built upon so many factors including his age, experience, situations (both winning & loosing), background, education, wisdom etc., These people will always bank on their experience. But one thing they should understand or rather we have to make them understand is that they are right during those situations and the situations today demand something more. We have to take the initiative to make them understand by making some small changes in ones mindset, what good things can be achieved. But remember, you should never hurt their ego!
For a person, who wants to change or attempts to change the mindset of others, should remember that he should alwlays have lot of patience, clear in what he is talking about, convincing ability rather than confronting, wisdom.
I agree with you, that you can have a small group with the changed mindset, work and demonstrate to the seniors that by changing ones mindset, things will change for the better of the organisation.
I am of the opinion, there should be brainstorming sessions organised and make everybody present their views and once your plan of changing the mindset garners majority, you are half won the battle.
Cheers,
Srinaren
From India, Bangalore
"For a person, who wants to change or attempts to change the mindset of others, should remember that he should alwlays have lot of patience, clear in what he is talking about, convincing ability rather than confronting, wisdom. "
i think he is to assume the nucleus position in the process of change-from disharmony to harmony around him.
regards
From India, Delhi
i think he is to assume the nucleus position in the process of change-from disharmony to harmony around him.
regards
From India, Delhi
Dear Praveen,
Even I came across the same situation what you faced regarding the format of appraisal. Some of the senior managers told, few things in this format are not acceptable, as it may be applicable to IT industries only, and also told the self appraisal should not be done. I just explained them the necessity of the self appraisal, and asked their suggestions for the points which they are objecting. Naturally, they may not be able to do it. So they will accept our format. By chance if they try to do it and give some suggestion, if it is acceptable then we can implement that their view also. So that they also happy and our work also done. As one of them told here about their ego, once it is satisfied then they will change themself according to our requirement.
Accept them as they are, and give the work as it is they know better than others because of their seniority. Then suggest the change, saying why don't you try this also, as it may be easy. If it is comfortable to you, then you can follow this method or continue the old method. Naturally they try and change themselves.
Regards,
Umesh
From India, Bangalore
Even I came across the same situation what you faced regarding the format of appraisal. Some of the senior managers told, few things in this format are not acceptable, as it may be applicable to IT industries only, and also told the self appraisal should not be done. I just explained them the necessity of the self appraisal, and asked their suggestions for the points which they are objecting. Naturally, they may not be able to do it. So they will accept our format. By chance if they try to do it and give some suggestion, if it is acceptable then we can implement that their view also. So that they also happy and our work also done. As one of them told here about their ego, once it is satisfied then they will change themself according to our requirement.
Accept them as they are, and give the work as it is they know better than others because of their seniority. Then suggest the change, saying why don't you try this also, as it may be easy. If it is comfortable to you, then you can follow this method or continue the old method. Naturally they try and change themselves.
Regards,
Umesh
From India, Bangalore
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