Dear Seniors and all members,
This is regarding the Employment verification of a female MBA-HR who never worked for us but still my predecessor in HR issued a Employment Certificate to her last year. Now this female has jacked up her employment through her personal contacts with one of the Topmost IT & Software Company headquartered in Bangalore and that too in HR Dept. The Company was in news for sexual harassment about 7yrs ago after which it boasts of following ethical guidelines in all cases and also setup special cell for that. Now the Employee verification of this female has come to me and since handling HR i knew that the employee never existed and therefore reverted accordingly to the Verification Agency. Now my predecessor (who was handling hr before me) alongwith my company owner informs me that I should verify positively the employement details of the female in question. I go ahead cook up a story of how i missed the employement papers and re-verify the female and her employement with us in positive light.
Having done this I feel miserable on Ethics. On one hand I had an Ethical issue of doing my job and on the other I had my boss with instructions. But I also reflect on the Giant Software Company which has employed the female (that too in Human Resources) through a person on influencial terms although it boasts of Ethics and morality day in and day out and has been involved heavily in charity too. Such is our lives full of hypocrisy. On one hand we HR people preach Ethics and on the other hand we fail to implement them in practical life.......does reality really matter or are we all happy under the illusion of best HR practices??................rgrds
From India, Mumbai
19This is regarding the Employment verification of a female MBA-HR who never worked for us but still my predecessor in HR issued a Employment Certificate to her last year. Now this female has jacked up her employment through her personal contacts with one of the Topmost IT & Software Company headquartered in Bangalore and that too in HR Dept. The Company was in news for sexual harassment about 7yrs ago after which it boasts of following ethical guidelines in all cases and also setup special cell for that. Now the Employee verification of this female has come to me and since handling HR i knew that the employee never existed and therefore reverted accordingly to the Verification Agency. Now my predecessor (who was handling hr before me) alongwith my company owner informs me that I should verify positively the employement details of the female in question. I go ahead cook up a story of how i missed the employement papers and re-verify the female and her employement with us in positive light.
Having done this I feel miserable on Ethics. On one hand I had an Ethical issue of doing my job and on the other I had my boss with instructions. But I also reflect on the Giant Software Company which has employed the female (that too in Human Resources) through a person on influencial terms although it boasts of Ethics and morality day in and day out and has been involved heavily in charity too. Such is our lives full of hypocrisy. On one hand we HR people preach Ethics and on the other hand we fail to implement them in practical life.......does reality really matter or are we all happy under the illusion of best HR practices??................rgrds
From India, Mumbai
It is indeed sad to know that but its really happen today while we are using our own created rules and Ethics and also have seen this with many organization/institutions and peoples. Blv me there are numbers of people who even dont think that this kind of act can ruin someone's career who couldn have a job because of it.
Even this issue was already taken and on air last week on FM93.5 by RJ SWATI but coundnt resolve as the peoples who do that have no sense and any kind of professionalism and cant help it.
I can understand your situation but agree with you that we must not do that but on the other hand, we cant ruin her life as i have no right to do that and if we try to do that, will be wrong with her but against or Ethics and professionalism. Yes its true that our lives bcm full of hypocrisy and not happy with it. But its depend on our consciousness too as your earlier HR man has performed which is absolutely wrong and his consciousness didnt stop him to do so.
But yes as we have make our HR world around these kind of Ethic/rules, come what may we must follow them.
Thanks for raising this question/issue as it is a one of very big problem in this HR world today.
From India, Gurgaon
Even this issue was already taken and on air last week on FM93.5 by RJ SWATI but coundnt resolve as the peoples who do that have no sense and any kind of professionalism and cant help it.
I can understand your situation but agree with you that we must not do that but on the other hand, we cant ruin her life as i have no right to do that and if we try to do that, will be wrong with her but against or Ethics and professionalism. Yes its true that our lives bcm full of hypocrisy and not happy with it. But its depend on our consciousness too as your earlier HR man has performed which is absolutely wrong and his consciousness didnt stop him to do so.
But yes as we have make our HR world around these kind of Ethic/rules, come what may we must follow them.
Thanks for raising this question/issue as it is a one of very big problem in this HR world today.
From India, Gurgaon
But isnt is surprising that we do reference checks, cross checks, promote ethics and give trainings about policies and procedures but then when faced with ethical issues we ourselves fail drastically. Afterall whats HR all about? is it a hog-wash? It sometimes appears like just like all other govt activities in our country, where rules are meant only for common man and not for powers-to-be and their affliates.
@anikkr.arora
Regarding my dilemma, If you did believe that we should not spoil anyone's career, also think about the next close candidate in line for the HR Vacancy, who might have been with real credentials but was overlooked because of this female with the fake experience certificate from my company, and might have lost out of the opportunity.
Sad but True -Real Practical Life and Theories cannot and will not Match. An Degree/Certificate might be good in Paper but needs to be good in practice too!!!..........................rgrds
From India, Mumbai
@anikkr.arora
Regarding my dilemma, If you did believe that we should not spoil anyone's career, also think about the next close candidate in line for the HR Vacancy, who might have been with real credentials but was overlooked because of this female with the fake experience certificate from my company, and might have lost out of the opportunity.
Sad but True -Real Practical Life and Theories cannot and will not Match. An Degree/Certificate might be good in Paper but needs to be good in practice too!!!..........................rgrds
From India, Mumbai
Definitly i agree with your point of view dear and we are not alone in this HR world who thinks the same and facing this kind of problems as there are numbers of people who already in search of a solution of this problem because we do understand that this can ruin the life of one who cudnt get the job just because of this fake experience certificate who dont even deserve this actually.
I buy your point that we are still not following our own created rules properly and having this kind of situations in our HR life. I can understand your concern and now i want you to create a poll regarding this and let the people join us to resolve this issue and you have this right to do that as you have raised it. Im with you and want my all HR peoples who call themselves HR person/professional or concern about it to join us so that we can find a suitable and best possible solution of this problem.
From India, Gurgaon
I buy your point that we are still not following our own created rules properly and having this kind of situations in our HR life. I can understand your concern and now i want you to create a poll regarding this and let the people join us to resolve this issue and you have this right to do that as you have raised it. Im with you and want my all HR peoples who call themselves HR person/professional or concern about it to join us so that we can find a suitable and best possible solution of this problem.
From India, Gurgaon
@Anil
Thanks for the response. I am actually not sure if a poll might really help as the question of Ethics normally involves a interlinked scenario rather than a one-liner Poll with click of a button. But you have a valid point when you say that normally every job does face ethical issues and we HR are also not immune to it. But because this very incident involves HR activities between a smaller company and a global gaint company, its really the very job that we do appears to be fake in a sense.
Look at the Forums posted everyday and we have billiions of suggestions of how HR should do things right, do this do that, not do this, not do that for employees etc etc. so full of it. But the moment Ethics touches on HR boundaries it also seem to wash out on HR with the real life incident as stated above on its face. And no matter how many ethical and other special cells a company operates, the matter of ethics never gets resolved be it employees or be it HR for that matter......rgrds
From India, Mumbai
Thanks for the response. I am actually not sure if a poll might really help as the question of Ethics normally involves a interlinked scenario rather than a one-liner Poll with click of a button. But you have a valid point when you say that normally every job does face ethical issues and we HR are also not immune to it. But because this very incident involves HR activities between a smaller company and a global gaint company, its really the very job that we do appears to be fake in a sense.
Look at the Forums posted everyday and we have billiions of suggestions of how HR should do things right, do this do that, not do this, not do that for employees etc etc. so full of it. But the moment Ethics touches on HR boundaries it also seem to wash out on HR with the real life incident as stated above on its face. And no matter how many ethical and other special cells a company operates, the matter of ethics never gets resolved be it employees or be it HR for that matter......rgrds
From India, Mumbai
I strongly agree with you, as you will find recruitment policies of most of the big companies through employee referral scheme which was meant to hire a quality and reliable(referred by existing employee) resource. Now, it is misused by HRs & Employees both to get recruited their relatives/friends even they are incompetent.
HR is saving her time and labour since the candidate will easily get selected because the interviewer is closely related or to the candidate.
The deserving employee with remarkable credentials and potential will be deprived of working in big company since s/he doesn't have strong references in big company.
Thanks
Rashee
From India, Delhi
HR is saving her time and labour since the candidate will easily get selected because the interviewer is closely related or to the candidate.
The deserving employee with remarkable credentials and potential will be deprived of working in big company since s/he doesn't have strong references in big company.
Thanks
Rashee
From India, Delhi
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