I am posting this on behalf of faculty and staff members of a private engineering college. The college is maintained by a family-held trust chaired by an ex-MP. The management is not paying the faculty and other staff salaries for the last ten months. Our repeated requests and representations have yielded no positive results so far. The management is postponing salary disbursement. What should we do to get our salaries? Keeping the welfare of the students, we are working there. Now all our financial resources have dried up. What are our options? Kindly guide us.
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Non-payment of salaries needs to be reported to the Labor Commissioner's office. I await hearing from our legal experts on how to resolve this. Were there any internal communications or memos issued regarding the delay or stating any reasons?
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Dear Gowramma,
If your college is approved by AICTE (Regional Office and H.O. Delhi), please take up the matter with AICTE as well as the Director of Technical Education. I think this can help you.
Ramakant
From India, Pune
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If your college is approved by AICTE (Regional Office and H.O. Delhi), please take up the matter with AICTE as well as the Director of Technical Education. I think this can help you.
Ramakant
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Hi, Gowramma, in your query you stated that Management is not paying salaries even after several requests but forgot to provide the reasons for it. Until you share complete details, it would not be proper to make any statements. Please complete your query with the answers and reasons given by your Management.
Secondly, you mentioned that for the last 10 months, salaries have not been paid by Management. What actions have you taken so far to tackle this problem, and how many members/employees are not being paid by them?
@(Cite Contribution), the query is incomplete, and no legal expert or advisor can provide any guidance until the aforementioned details are provided by Gowramma.
@Gowramma, please also share the establishment details of this Private Engineering College along with the location.
About the proposed action plans suggested by you:
Labour Office: You will need to file a petition or request by providing complete details of this case and reasons. It will also take some time as they have their own procedures.
Dharna, Non-cooperation: This is not a good idea as it could ultimately go against you or harm you in many ways, which would not be legal.
Legal action, going to court against management: To take legal action, as mentioned above, you also need to file a request/petition. Before proceeding further, you have to lodge a complaint/FIR against them. This can be a good course of action because this case also pertains to violations of rules related to social rights and living. However, to take action, you also need to present complete details first on why this has happened. Therefore, I suggest you provide details to our legal experts, and they will guide you appropriately.
Reporting the lapse to the affiliating university: As Mr. Ramakant suggested, you can raise your concern with AICTE, which is a good idea. However, AICTE also requires you to file a petition or a report that can assist them in taking their own procedures for action against the management and initiating an inquiry into the whole case.
Now you can understand what is actually required most and how and what actions you can take.
Lastly, as you have approached and trusted us, I request you to provide complete details so that CiteLegal Experts and other respective seniors can further assist you.
From India, Gurgaon
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Secondly, you mentioned that for the last 10 months, salaries have not been paid by Management. What actions have you taken so far to tackle this problem, and how many members/employees are not being paid by them?
@(Cite Contribution), the query is incomplete, and no legal expert or advisor can provide any guidance until the aforementioned details are provided by Gowramma.
@Gowramma, please also share the establishment details of this Private Engineering College along with the location.
About the proposed action plans suggested by you:
Labour Office: You will need to file a petition or request by providing complete details of this case and reasons. It will also take some time as they have their own procedures.
Dharna, Non-cooperation: This is not a good idea as it could ultimately go against you or harm you in many ways, which would not be legal.
Legal action, going to court against management: To take legal action, as mentioned above, you also need to file a request/petition. Before proceeding further, you have to lodge a complaint/FIR against them. This can be a good course of action because this case also pertains to violations of rules related to social rights and living. However, to take action, you also need to present complete details first on why this has happened. Therefore, I suggest you provide details to our legal experts, and they will guide you appropriately.
Reporting the lapse to the affiliating university: As Mr. Ramakant suggested, you can raise your concern with AICTE, which is a good idea. However, AICTE also requires you to file a petition or a report that can assist them in taking their own procedures for action against the management and initiating an inquiry into the whole case.
Now you can understand what is actually required most and how and what actions you can take.
Lastly, as you have approached and trusted us, I request you to provide complete details so that CiteLegal Experts and other respective seniors can further assist you.
From India, Gurgaon
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Dear Gowramma and Mr. Anil Arora,
This is a prevalent issue in many educational institutes where they seem to prioritize admitting students and collecting fees over providing quality education. In addition to this, there is a significant concern regarding the default in salary payments to the staff.
I commend the dedication of the staff who have continued working for over 10 months without receiving their due credit, all the while supporting the management and cooperating with the students.
There is a possibility that once the new batch of 2013-15 is admitted, payments may be released against the fees collected. However, there is a concern that this cycle may repeat itself in the future for the next academic year.
It is crucial for someone to handle this situation with tact and diplomacy to prevent a recurring issue. As the Hindi saying goes, "HINDI - SAAP BHI MARE AND LATHI NA TUTE."
Ultimately, both the staff and students will continue to suffer if this issue is not addressed promptly.
Regards,
Ramakant
From India, Pune
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This is a prevalent issue in many educational institutes where they seem to prioritize admitting students and collecting fees over providing quality education. In addition to this, there is a significant concern regarding the default in salary payments to the staff.
I commend the dedication of the staff who have continued working for over 10 months without receiving their due credit, all the while supporting the management and cooperating with the students.
There is a possibility that once the new batch of 2013-15 is admitted, payments may be released against the fees collected. However, there is a concern that this cycle may repeat itself in the future for the next academic year.
It is crucial for someone to handle this situation with tact and diplomacy to prevent a recurring issue. As the Hindi saying goes, "HINDI - SAAP BHI MARE AND LATHI NA TUTE."
Ultimately, both the staff and students will continue to suffer if this issue is not addressed promptly.
Regards,
Ramakant
From India, Pune
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@Ramakant, well if the students are enrolling themselves without getting well recognition of University and Institutions because of possible and expected financial benefits (less fee payment and so on), I would say they are actually playing with their own career and life themselves.
Moreover, the respective staff members (working with an Engineering Collage) are in support by this way because they continuing their job from last 10 months and not doing anything concerning awareness, which I believe, must have taken the actions and also like complaint in Police against Collage Authority and with AICTE /Education Administration Authority timely. But, if there no action been taken, they are automatically responsible for this too and ruining students and their own life I would say.
Well, before saying more about what staff member of this Engineering Collage had to do or what they didn’t, I would like to have response from GOWRAMMA as the query is still incomplete (I stated in my earlier response) which can direct this case study further appropriately.
From India, Gurgaon
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Moreover, the respective staff members (working with an Engineering Collage) are in support by this way because they continuing their job from last 10 months and not doing anything concerning awareness, which I believe, must have taken the actions and also like complaint in Police against Collage Authority and with AICTE /Education Administration Authority timely. But, if there no action been taken, they are automatically responsible for this too and ruining students and their own life I would say.
Well, before saying more about what staff member of this Engineering Collage had to do or what they didn’t, I would like to have response from GOWRAMMA as the query is still incomplete (I stated in my earlier response) which can direct this case study further appropriately.
From India, Gurgaon
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Respected Mr. Anil Arora,
I am working as an Account Manager with one of the best Engineering institutions in Pune, i.e., COEP. I am well aware of the infrastructure required to produce good engineers in the future, who are the pillars of Indian Technology to come.
The substandard institutes are tarnishing the entire image of education, which could lead to chaos in the near future. The staff of Gowaramma College should take appropriate action. They should enhance the management's effectiveness and rectify the situation. I wholeheartedly agree with you that this staff bears indirect responsibility for this chaos.
Regards,
Ramakant
From India, Pune
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I am working as an Account Manager with one of the best Engineering institutions in Pune, i.e., COEP. I am well aware of the infrastructure required to produce good engineers in the future, who are the pillars of Indian Technology to come.
The substandard institutes are tarnishing the entire image of education, which could lead to chaos in the near future. The staff of Gowaramma College should take appropriate action. They should enhance the management's effectiveness and rectify the situation. I wholeheartedly agree with you that this staff bears indirect responsibility for this chaos.
Regards,
Ramakant
From India, Pune
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Hello Gowramma,
Anil Arora has mentioned a very salient point - please give the reasons 'as given by the management' and 'as per your own understanding of the situation'.
Frankly, you found time to mark your appreciation to his & Ramakant's responses & suggestions, but didn't find the time to answer any of their queries.
@ Anil/Ramakant -
Let me give a snapshot background of the various private professional colleges in Andhra Pradesh [applicable to at least 75-80% of them]. All the colleges have AICTE recognition - else they wouldn't have got the other local governmental clearances to operate.
Most of the colleges were started during the period 2005-2010 - quite a few through 'hiring' of faculty [rather than appointing them] for the AICTE inspection visits during the initial stages [have seen it myself, being 'requested' to handle such assignments - needless to mention, didn't buy it]. But that isn't the main story.
The governmental policies are such that these colleges are allowed to invariably depend totally on fee reimbursement schemes [which began as a 100% reimbursement] for running the colleges - thanks to the initial policy structure formulated in 2005-2008. As everyone knows, it takes ages for any governmental funds to flow in. That's where the faculty gets hit... and pretty badly. Those living in AP would be aware of this - given that many college associations went active publicly last year to get the fee funds released from the AP Govt. I think the issue also went to the High Court of AP.
Given this scenario, suggest the members to give their opinions & advice suitably to Gowramma.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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Anil Arora has mentioned a very salient point - please give the reasons 'as given by the management' and 'as per your own understanding of the situation'.
Frankly, you found time to mark your appreciation to his & Ramakant's responses & suggestions, but didn't find the time to answer any of their queries.
@ Anil/Ramakant -
Let me give a snapshot background of the various private professional colleges in Andhra Pradesh [applicable to at least 75-80% of them]. All the colleges have AICTE recognition - else they wouldn't have got the other local governmental clearances to operate.
Most of the colleges were started during the period 2005-2010 - quite a few through 'hiring' of faculty [rather than appointing them] for the AICTE inspection visits during the initial stages [have seen it myself, being 'requested' to handle such assignments - needless to mention, didn't buy it]. But that isn't the main story.
The governmental policies are such that these colleges are allowed to invariably depend totally on fee reimbursement schemes [which began as a 100% reimbursement] for running the colleges - thanks to the initial policy structure formulated in 2005-2008. As everyone knows, it takes ages for any governmental funds to flow in. That's where the faculty gets hit... and pretty badly. Those living in AP would be aware of this - given that many college associations went active publicly last year to get the fee funds released from the AP Govt. I think the issue also went to the High Court of AP.
Given this scenario, suggest the members to give their opinions & advice suitably to Gowramma.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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The matter posed by you is very painful. Teachers are not at all respected in this society. When I once mentioned in the Faculty Forum, the same, I was given a fool's cap, OK it is kept aside now.
Labour Commissioner is not the right authority to take up the issue, because Faculty Members of a College are not workmen as per the definitions.
Laws are not for safeguarding the interests of faculty members of a College.
Being the Teaching Fraternity, you are all to join together to meet the Management, i.e., the Promoter of your College, say a Chairman, Secretary/Correspondent as per the nomenclature. Being educated characters, the faculty members can and are not expected to expose unruly behavior because teachers are the role models and makers of society. (May be the reason the management of colleges take undue advantage.) Discuss the matter with clear communication by posing your problems faced at your domestic front.
Even despite your soft approaches, if your Promoter puts deaf ears, you have no other option but to take up the matter with the University, i.e., Vice-Chancellor or Registrar, to do justice to you. Please send a Registered Letter to the University Grants Commission or AICTE by explaining the entire episode.
Please inform your College Promoter about your actions as above so that he understands that you are all serious in this matter.
If the University Authorities are not addressing your grievances, you have no other alternative but to refrain yourself from attending the College, and please do not worry about the Education/Students. Everything has a limit. When tolerance and patience are tested, you have to take stringent measures.
Also, meet the Education Minister of your State to handle this burning issue. The media may also be of help to you.
Lastly, please try to secure a job in other colleges, because you know the remaining...
From India, Pune
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Labour Commissioner is not the right authority to take up the issue, because Faculty Members of a College are not workmen as per the definitions.
Laws are not for safeguarding the interests of faculty members of a College.
Being the Teaching Fraternity, you are all to join together to meet the Management, i.e., the Promoter of your College, say a Chairman, Secretary/Correspondent as per the nomenclature. Being educated characters, the faculty members can and are not expected to expose unruly behavior because teachers are the role models and makers of society. (May be the reason the management of colleges take undue advantage.) Discuss the matter with clear communication by posing your problems faced at your domestic front.
Even despite your soft approaches, if your Promoter puts deaf ears, you have no other option but to take up the matter with the University, i.e., Vice-Chancellor or Registrar, to do justice to you. Please send a Registered Letter to the University Grants Commission or AICTE by explaining the entire episode.
Please inform your College Promoter about your actions as above so that he understands that you are all serious in this matter.
If the University Authorities are not addressing your grievances, you have no other alternative but to refrain yourself from attending the College, and please do not worry about the Education/Students. Everything has a limit. When tolerance and patience are tested, you have to take stringent measures.
Also, meet the Education Minister of your State to handle this burning issue. The media may also be of help to you.
Lastly, please try to secure a job in other colleges, because you know the remaining...
From India, Pune
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Apart from what our seniors had advised, I would suggest writing to or meeting the Director of Technical Education, who is directly responsible for the administrative affairs of technical institutions and appraisal for the release of grants, etc. I am sure this would help you to address your problems.
Regards.
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