Dear Friends
As a recruitment consultant I have often faced some serious issues from some HR professionals and I feel concerned about the deteriorating ethical standards in the HR community.
These are as follows:
1. An URGENT position needing to be closed ASAP is put on "HOLD" soon after we have sent some very good and relevant profiles.( May be they have found what they were looking for, go ahead and search for that person's profile on their own)
2. They stop giving feedbacks to the profiles sent after you have sent a sizable no of relevant profiles to another "URGENT" position. A week later they declare it closed, no explanation given!
3. The most relevant profile will always be "duplicate", even though no one has contacted the candidate for the position.There are a lot of other issues (asking for commission, Using consultants for creating database of candidates, delayed payments, Non payments etc) where we have strong feelings of foul play and unfair/unethical practices, taking the poor consultant for a ride on various pretexts and sometimes openly.
The consultant bears the brunt as he does not wish to lose a client and seen as being suspicious. Moreover, the consultants competing each other have no way out but to give in to the whims and fancies of the clients & the HR professionals.
In our case we dropped such clients immediately!
I would request everybody's inputs & experiences in this regard.
My question is why can't we Indians practice what we preach? And that why don't we have any problems following unethical practices towards a service provider we feel is subservient to us?
Can anything be done to improve the life of the poor recruitment consultant? Is there a way out for them?
Your truly
Capt Chand Pathak
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From India, Lucknow
4As a recruitment consultant I have often faced some serious issues from some HR professionals and I feel concerned about the deteriorating ethical standards in the HR community.
These are as follows:
1. An URGENT position needing to be closed ASAP is put on "HOLD" soon after we have sent some very good and relevant profiles.( May be they have found what they were looking for, go ahead and search for that person's profile on their own)
2. They stop giving feedbacks to the profiles sent after you have sent a sizable no of relevant profiles to another "URGENT" position. A week later they declare it closed, no explanation given!
3. The most relevant profile will always be "duplicate", even though no one has contacted the candidate for the position.There are a lot of other issues (asking for commission, Using consultants for creating database of candidates, delayed payments, Non payments etc) where we have strong feelings of foul play and unfair/unethical practices, taking the poor consultant for a ride on various pretexts and sometimes openly.
The consultant bears the brunt as he does not wish to lose a client and seen as being suspicious. Moreover, the consultants competing each other have no way out but to give in to the whims and fancies of the clients & the HR professionals.
In our case we dropped such clients immediately!
I would request everybody's inputs & experiences in this regard.
My question is why can't we Indians practice what we preach? And that why don't we have any problems following unethical practices towards a service provider we feel is subservient to us?
Can anything be done to improve the life of the poor recruitment consultant? Is there a way out for them?
Your truly
Capt Chand Pathak
9818696454
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From India, Lucknow
Dear Captn.....
Very truely said and its a damn fact......
most of them will doin atleast 2 of the mentioned points....
Even they will not be knowing the entire process in thier org when being diplomatically asked....
some of the HR will be thinking they are running the show for the company and being the cause for the revenue.
And some of the HR have forgeton that even they have worked in staffing firm or consultancy before joining in an MNC.
At the end of the day every one should be ethical, Fare to others n sucessful..............
From India, Bangalore
Very truely said and its a damn fact......
most of them will doin atleast 2 of the mentioned points....
Even they will not be knowing the entire process in thier org when being diplomatically asked....
some of the HR will be thinking they are running the show for the company and being the cause for the revenue.
And some of the HR have forgeton that even they have worked in staffing firm or consultancy before joining in an MNC.
At the end of the day every one should be ethical, Fare to others n sucessful..............
From India, Bangalore
its KALYUG and these things are bound to happen,,
all the HR have become arrogant of their power,, they will now suffer in a cauldron of boiling oil very soon. Dont worry, as you sow so shall you reap.
From India, Pune
all the HR have become arrogant of their power,, they will now suffer in a cauldron of boiling oil very soon. Dont worry, as you sow so shall you reap.
From India, Pune
Hi Pathak,
Its sad that a few HR have unethical practices .Under these circumstances dropping client is fair but Such incidents should be reported to higher officials to ensure it is stopped .
Thanks,
Nazneen
From India, Bangalore
Its sad that a few HR have unethical practices .Under these circumstances dropping client is fair but Such incidents should be reported to higher officials to ensure it is stopped .
Thanks,
Nazneen
From India, Bangalore
Capt. Pathak,
Its the fate of the day seen everywhere in India. In fact I have a few friends who threw their resignation on the face of the HR Managers and walked out when they were pressurised to do unethical practices. India is a country where every one wears a crown, the Crown of Madness and Agrresiveness. Look at the politicians who interfere with every thing everywhere. They feel that they are great. They talk and preach, but when practice comes they do just opposite of what they say. For example, CPIM is a political party which had some ethics earlier. Now you are probably reading from the news that the partymen have become corrupt to the core.
Why, even in temples you will find that one has to bribe to go to the deity. This is the sad situation in India. From Kerala to Kashmir and from west to east. Sorry that we are Indians. Probably, the only politician who ever stood in the queue for renuing his driving licence in an RTO office is our present prime Minister Dr.ManmohanSingh. WHo else stood like that so far ? RTO would have been called to the residence or office by any other politician.
What I want to state is the pathetic unethical behaviour and actions of our top officials in organisations. I feel that they have to be given training in 'discipline and ehical behaviour' by some one.
Thanks for the opportunity given to write this posting.
Gopan
From India, Kochi
Its the fate of the day seen everywhere in India. In fact I have a few friends who threw their resignation on the face of the HR Managers and walked out when they were pressurised to do unethical practices. India is a country where every one wears a crown, the Crown of Madness and Agrresiveness. Look at the politicians who interfere with every thing everywhere. They feel that they are great. They talk and preach, but when practice comes they do just opposite of what they say. For example, CPIM is a political party which had some ethics earlier. Now you are probably reading from the news that the partymen have become corrupt to the core.
Why, even in temples you will find that one has to bribe to go to the deity. This is the sad situation in India. From Kerala to Kashmir and from west to east. Sorry that we are Indians. Probably, the only politician who ever stood in the queue for renuing his driving licence in an RTO office is our present prime Minister Dr.ManmohanSingh. WHo else stood like that so far ? RTO would have been called to the residence or office by any other politician.
What I want to state is the pathetic unethical behaviour and actions of our top officials in organisations. I feel that they have to be given training in 'discipline and ehical behaviour' by some one.
Thanks for the opportunity given to write this posting.
Gopan
From India, Kochi
Capt. Pathak
I had posted a long comment . But not seen uploaded here. I was telling about the politicians and the lead bureaucracy, who are all corrupt to the core. This percolates down every where and we can not escape. Many have thrown their resignation letters on the face of CEO and walked out and yelled at the exit interview also. This will not become right unless India goes back to Britishers' era, where at least discipline was maintained.
Gopan
From India, Kochi
I had posted a long comment . But not seen uploaded here. I was telling about the politicians and the lead bureaucracy, who are all corrupt to the core. This percolates down every where and we can not escape. Many have thrown their resignation letters on the face of CEO and walked out and yelled at the exit interview also. This will not become right unless India goes back to Britishers' era, where at least discipline was maintained.
Gopan
From India, Kochi
Hi,
So true yaar.
These ppl are thinking that we are all fools. They are building their own database from the profiles that we send them. Utterly selfish ppl out there.
We shud stop sending profiles if we dont gat feedbacks. And shud send next set of profiles only if we get feedbacks for the ones earlier sent.
We all shud teach them a lesson.
I am sick of their behaviour.
From India, Madras
So true yaar.
These ppl are thinking that we are all fools. They are building their own database from the profiles that we send them. Utterly selfish ppl out there.
We shud stop sending profiles if we dont gat feedbacks. And shud send next set of profiles only if we get feedbacks for the ones earlier sent.
We all shud teach them a lesson.
I am sick of their behaviour.
From India, Madras
Dear Gopan
You are right.
And you know what?
Thank god that we are not politicians!
Thank god that we don't have to sell our souls for our greed!
Thank god that we are ordinary people who have the freedom to choose and be responsible for our actions!
Thank god that as HR professionals the onus is on us to lead the way and bring ethics & integrity back in corporate governance!
Thank god for giving us this chance to be honest & incorruptible!
...and finally...
Thank god I don't own Half of Hyderabad & have properties in 63 countries!
Thank god I am not in Jail!
Thank god I am not GREEDY!
Capt Chand Pathak
Chief Operating Officer
Creative Indians - Incredibly Efficient!
(Recruitments & HR Solutions)
From India, Lucknow
You are right.
And you know what?
Thank god that we are not politicians!
Thank god that we don't have to sell our souls for our greed!
Thank god that we are ordinary people who have the freedom to choose and be responsible for our actions!
Thank god that as HR professionals the onus is on us to lead the way and bring ethics & integrity back in corporate governance!
Thank god for giving us this chance to be honest & incorruptible!
...and finally...
Thank god I don't own Half of Hyderabad & have properties in 63 countries!
Thank god I am not in Jail!
Thank god I am not GREEDY!
Capt Chand Pathak
Chief Operating Officer
Creative Indians - Incredibly Efficient!
(Recruitments & HR Solutions)
From India, Lucknow
Hello Friends,
First of all I thank Chand Pathak for taking up this extremely important topic for discussion in this forum. I hope this topic reach to all consulting professionals and “Corporate HRs”.
My Experience:
I really accept the points made by all the fellow members.
FEW of the "Corporate HRs" thinks that they are the only great people on this planet.
Rest the consulting firm guys are idiots!!! (Sorry to use this word but this is what we feel while interacting with these "Corporate HRs”)
Somebody rightly mentioned that they even forget that their prior exposure was in a consulting firm.
I am also working in a consulting firm. Facing exactly the same problem mentioned by Chand Pathak.
I do understand that the market condition is BAD / WORST etc. But that doesn't mean that these HR guys should fool around with us. Even we are in the ethical business and profession. I think that it should be mutually give and take relationship rather then wasting each others PRECIOUS TIME.
Solution:
I think the HR should think that they are just the HR of any of the Company and not the GOD / President or Prime Minister.
Keep APJ Abdul Kalam as your idol.He is such a great human being for our India.Have any of the HR's ever seen that he carries the attitude which they carry?
Their is a long way to go in life and many more good things to do in the life.Rather then playing cheap politics and unprofessionalism.
"Committing yourself for CONTINUES SELF IMPROVEMENT" should be the motto of life rather then I am the BEST!! :icon1:
1. Nazeen has mentioned one point to report to the higher officials this will be the best way to handle these HR's.Try and get the information of their reporting managers.
Somewhat the HR will then behave care full next time with you.
2. We should become stricter while conversing with HR’s. Inform them that even we have our own TARGETS and PLANS.
3. Give them the confidence that we are the best to deliver. Make them realize this after delivering this.
4. One practice we can make is send them the Achivement V/s Commitment mails every week. High light your achivements and the non-achivements.
5. Give them the feel that you are the BEST in market for them automatically they will come to you. ( After all we are in competitive world)
I really don’t know why they behave in such a unprofessional manner!! In fact we expect that they should behave professionally and set the standard.
I am really very keen to know the reactions from the Corporate HR’s.
Regards,
Shruti
From India, Madras
First of all I thank Chand Pathak for taking up this extremely important topic for discussion in this forum. I hope this topic reach to all consulting professionals and “Corporate HRs”.
My Experience:
I really accept the points made by all the fellow members.
FEW of the "Corporate HRs" thinks that they are the only great people on this planet.
Rest the consulting firm guys are idiots!!! (Sorry to use this word but this is what we feel while interacting with these "Corporate HRs”)
Somebody rightly mentioned that they even forget that their prior exposure was in a consulting firm.
I am also working in a consulting firm. Facing exactly the same problem mentioned by Chand Pathak.
I do understand that the market condition is BAD / WORST etc. But that doesn't mean that these HR guys should fool around with us. Even we are in the ethical business and profession. I think that it should be mutually give and take relationship rather then wasting each others PRECIOUS TIME.
Solution:
I think the HR should think that they are just the HR of any of the Company and not the GOD / President or Prime Minister.
Keep APJ Abdul Kalam as your idol.He is such a great human being for our India.Have any of the HR's ever seen that he carries the attitude which they carry?
Their is a long way to go in life and many more good things to do in the life.Rather then playing cheap politics and unprofessionalism.
"Committing yourself for CONTINUES SELF IMPROVEMENT" should be the motto of life rather then I am the BEST!! :icon1:
1. Nazeen has mentioned one point to report to the higher officials this will be the best way to handle these HR's.Try and get the information of their reporting managers.
Somewhat the HR will then behave care full next time with you.
2. We should become stricter while conversing with HR’s. Inform them that even we have our own TARGETS and PLANS.
3. Give them the confidence that we are the best to deliver. Make them realize this after delivering this.
4. One practice we can make is send them the Achivement V/s Commitment mails every week. High light your achivements and the non-achivements.
5. Give them the feel that you are the BEST in market for them automatically they will come to you. ( After all we are in competitive world)
I really don’t know why they behave in such a unprofessional manner!! In fact we expect that they should behave professionally and set the standard.
I am really very keen to know the reactions from the Corporate HR’s.
Regards,
Shruti
From India, Madras
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