4Dear Asha
I am confused. I am presuming you were consultant / or worked with a consultant in early part of your career. So you know that the hiring manager is capable of cheating you of your hard work. Sometimes under pressure to show their own output the corporate recruiters use consultants's services and take credit for it. This happens all the time. Lot of HR professionals follow unethical practices in corporate and so do recruitment consultants.
The consultants are as much part of the HR community as any HR professional in a corporate. You'll be surprised at the number of Ex - HR professionals who are running consultacies. Many are hugely expereinced in all HR functions and understand HRD very well. Many who join corporate have been part of consultancies!
So I really don't understand your "Us" and "You" divide. Perhaps you look down upon consultants and are happy to be part of a "corporate". Not many professionals commented in this tread as I feel most of them agreed by being silent!
Regards
Capt Chand Pathak
I am confused. I am presuming you were consultant / or worked with a consultant in early part of your career. So you know that the hiring manager is capable of cheating you of your hard work. Sometimes under pressure to show their own output the corporate recruiters use consultants's services and take credit for it. This happens all the time. Lot of HR professionals follow unethical practices in corporate and so do recruitment consultants.
The consultants are as much part of the HR community as any HR professional in a corporate. You'll be surprised at the number of Ex - HR professionals who are running consultacies. Many are hugely expereinced in all HR functions and understand HRD very well. Many who join corporate have been part of consultancies!
So I really don't understand your "Us" and "You" divide. Perhaps you look down upon consultants and are happy to be part of a "corporate". Not many professionals commented in this tread as I feel most of them agreed by being silent!
Regards
Capt Chand Pathak
From India, Lucknow
Dear Captain,
I started as a consultant for US fortune 500 clients... SO I know the hard work involved. But when I joined a corporate a requested help from consultants, for a position that I worked so hardly on... they gave me the same profiles they found on the Job Board...
And I finally taught them how to do cold calling, and gate crash the secretaries and find names.... still they did not improve. I could not sit and do what I did earlier, because here my focus is not only recruitments...but many other issues to.
I just got fed up with their service (a couple of them were good...and I felt it was impt to keep them in the good books too..) I did not really divide teh consultants and corporate ppl.... I am still happy that I was earlier a part of a GOOD consulting team...but not all consultants live up to good standards.
I know the hard work involved... I can easily find from my consultant if he had truly found a passive profile...
Its just that I am very tough in giving the positions for consultants to work on..because, its just a dedicated recruiter that it takes to reduce teh cost involved. I put in my 100% JUST to make sure it does not go to an outside consultant. U may feel like throwing stones at me . . .. but look at this Sir.. in one hire a consultant got close to 2 lakhs (that was my last company salary PA)... he got it just for one hire!
And that hire left the work in two months... the consultant did not pay the amt or replace the candidate... just did not have the courtesy to follow up either...
And imagine...when cost cutting came... I had to ask my assistant to leave (becos of the HUGE recruitment BILL)
And that too I still feel bad, cos I found the same profile on the net and his profile was rejected by my Head - HR... but when the consultant submitted, the MD wanetd to have a look and then it turned as a hire..... and very soon the person also left.
Its not that I am enjoying to be a part of the corporate...
Its my duty... when I am recruited for Recruitments.. I shuld do it at minimal costs.. if I have to give it to a consultant.. then I must resign as I am not capable.
Working with consultants have just been a bad experience for me (again I say - 1 or 2 have been ok with teh way they follow up and they never nag us)
The reason why I quoted abt my experience with a US co is... its not that Indians are not good.... even outside ppl play games... pls dont categorize it as "INDIANS ONLY".
I dont like anyone saying that.... As if other coutries have proved their professionalism!
From India, Madras
I started as a consultant for US fortune 500 clients... SO I know the hard work involved. But when I joined a corporate a requested help from consultants, for a position that I worked so hardly on... they gave me the same profiles they found on the Job Board...
And I finally taught them how to do cold calling, and gate crash the secretaries and find names.... still they did not improve. I could not sit and do what I did earlier, because here my focus is not only recruitments...but many other issues to.
I just got fed up with their service (a couple of them were good...and I felt it was impt to keep them in the good books too..) I did not really divide teh consultants and corporate ppl.... I am still happy that I was earlier a part of a GOOD consulting team...but not all consultants live up to good standards.
I know the hard work involved... I can easily find from my consultant if he had truly found a passive profile...
Its just that I am very tough in giving the positions for consultants to work on..because, its just a dedicated recruiter that it takes to reduce teh cost involved. I put in my 100% JUST to make sure it does not go to an outside consultant. U may feel like throwing stones at me . . .. but look at this Sir.. in one hire a consultant got close to 2 lakhs (that was my last company salary PA)... he got it just for one hire!
And that hire left the work in two months... the consultant did not pay the amt or replace the candidate... just did not have the courtesy to follow up either...
And imagine...when cost cutting came... I had to ask my assistant to leave (becos of the HUGE recruitment BILL)
And that too I still feel bad, cos I found the same profile on the net and his profile was rejected by my Head - HR... but when the consultant submitted, the MD wanetd to have a look and then it turned as a hire..... and very soon the person also left.
Its not that I am enjoying to be a part of the corporate...
Its my duty... when I am recruited for Recruitments.. I shuld do it at minimal costs.. if I have to give it to a consultant.. then I must resign as I am not capable.
Working with consultants have just been a bad experience for me (again I say - 1 or 2 have been ok with teh way they follow up and they never nag us)
The reason why I quoted abt my experience with a US co is... its not that Indians are not good.... even outside ppl play games... pls dont categorize it as "INDIANS ONLY".
I dont like anyone saying that.... As if other coutries have proved their professionalism!
From India, Madras
Hi Pathak,
Whatever you have said,its really true.I have also worked in a HR consulting firm & I have faced the same difficulties.You know ,its like a game where only the HR managers has the right to play.They think that there are lot of consultancies inthe market....& they are not going to loose anything.As & when the requirement is given to the consultancies,they put their effort,the operational cost,employee cost everything is being beared by the consultancies.The companies has to pay money only when the position gets closed.So,its in the HR 's hand he/she can do anything whatever they wish.
So they come up with so many reasons,either position "HOLD" or " DUPLICATE" or some other reasons or just to build the database as they dont want pay the consulting fees.
On the other hand, these poor consultants put there efforts as it does matter to them as they have to fulfill there target.at the end of the end the sufferer is only the "Poor consultants".If the position is not closed then entire blame is on the consultants........as he is not compatible,not performing & so on.But nobody use to see the man hours what he has put for the job.
Its really shamefull that being an HR of a company ,they do all unethical practices.Its really difficult to change the mindset........but only thing I can tell you that only that person knows the pain who have gone through it.So, only thing what we can do is to keep ourself committed towards our work & not to practice these unethical practices.
Now I am working in a IT concern & atleast from my side I have never done this as I know the pain faced by the consultants in closing a position.
Regards
Kasturi Das
From India, Madras
Whatever you have said,its really true.I have also worked in a HR consulting firm & I have faced the same difficulties.You know ,its like a game where only the HR managers has the right to play.They think that there are lot of consultancies inthe market....& they are not going to loose anything.As & when the requirement is given to the consultancies,they put their effort,the operational cost,employee cost everything is being beared by the consultancies.The companies has to pay money only when the position gets closed.So,its in the HR 's hand he/she can do anything whatever they wish.
So they come up with so many reasons,either position "HOLD" or " DUPLICATE" or some other reasons or just to build the database as they dont want pay the consulting fees.
On the other hand, these poor consultants put there efforts as it does matter to them as they have to fulfill there target.at the end of the end the sufferer is only the "Poor consultants".If the position is not closed then entire blame is on the consultants........as he is not compatible,not performing & so on.But nobody use to see the man hours what he has put for the job.
Its really shamefull that being an HR of a company ,they do all unethical practices.Its really difficult to change the mindset........but only thing I can tell you that only that person knows the pain who have gone through it.So, only thing what we can do is to keep ourself committed towards our work & not to practice these unethical practices.
Now I am working in a IT concern & atleast from my side I have never done this as I know the pain faced by the consultants in closing a position.
Regards
Kasturi Das
From India, Madras
Hi All,
Ravi, i agree wit u on same.wtevr u do, u get back the same frm nature..so how much long wud one run,1 or d othr day they need to stop..Many Hr's people take thr positions for granted, whereas some HR's lik u n me r still humble..But, for watevr bad thz HR professionals behave,they wud get back the sme..I too ws once victim of thz ileterate HR's, wherin they din had any information, n lateron coz of thr laidback n arrogant attitude,v noticed tat it was wrong decision to approach tat company..
From India, Mumbai
Ravi, i agree wit u on same.wtevr u do, u get back the same frm nature..so how much long wud one run,1 or d othr day they need to stop..Many Hr's people take thr positions for granted, whereas some HR's lik u n me r still humble..But, for watevr bad thz HR professionals behave,they wud get back the sme..I too ws once victim of thz ileterate HR's, wherin they din had any information, n lateron coz of thr laidback n arrogant attitude,v noticed tat it was wrong decision to approach tat company..
From India, Mumbai
gee, tnx i'm not a politician....
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