I thank all of you,
First of all I would like to clarify that I’m ‘she’ not ‘he’ J
Actually I new for this forum
Ash you made many comments on this topic,
Can you clarify that how any one can measure which one is right question or not. This question may be useless/silly for you, but not for others.
You said that “Dilshad requires some logical thinking. He also defended himself in the posts saying his senior made that statement. So what say abt this?”
I have around 10 yrs experience in Admin, I also think logically. I too know that there is no difference between these designations. One day my Management asked the same question with me, (because now I’m also handling the HR duties) I told the same thing there is no difference between these designations. But my boss told that there is a slight difference between these designations and made a comment on me that you not even know this?
I was into dilemma really is there any difference between these designations ??? So I did not hesitate and thought it is a right place where I can interact with many HR persons and can clarify my doubt.
I agree with Prashant, Sujata and others
if you think its not a good question or its irrelevant then simply leave it (it saves our precious time also). the person will automatically understand the thing but giving comments on any ones intellect is not good (at least for HR person)
If it is a reaction for posting a question, others may not come forward to posting questions. In my opinion it should a place where we can share our knowledge with out any hesitations.
I request you all do not waste your precious time on unnecessary debates.
Thank you once again.
**** good experience on first question itself !!!!
Dilshad
From India, Hyderabad
First of all I would like to clarify that I’m ‘she’ not ‘he’ J
Actually I new for this forum
Ash you made many comments on this topic,
Can you clarify that how any one can measure which one is right question or not. This question may be useless/silly for you, but not for others.
You said that “Dilshad requires some logical thinking. He also defended himself in the posts saying his senior made that statement. So what say abt this?”
I have around 10 yrs experience in Admin, I also think logically. I too know that there is no difference between these designations. One day my Management asked the same question with me, (because now I’m also handling the HR duties) I told the same thing there is no difference between these designations. But my boss told that there is a slight difference between these designations and made a comment on me that you not even know this?
I was into dilemma really is there any difference between these designations ??? So I did not hesitate and thought it is a right place where I can interact with many HR persons and can clarify my doubt.
I agree with Prashant, Sujata and others
if you think its not a good question or its irrelevant then simply leave it (it saves our precious time also). the person will automatically understand the thing but giving comments on any ones intellect is not good (at least for HR person)
If it is a reaction for posting a question, others may not come forward to posting questions. In my opinion it should a place where we can share our knowledge with out any hesitations.
I request you all do not waste your precious time on unnecessary debates.
Thank you once again.
**** good experience on first question itself !!!!
Dilshad
From India, Hyderabad
Ms. Dilshad:
Experience in years will be of no use, if not used properly. U r supposed to be confident of ur views..not ur seniors views (the first mistake u made)
Please dont defend urself. Again - Its not abt sharing knowledge without hesitation.. its abt telling u - think logical.
Ur explanation on someone else / or ur boss saying this - makes no importance. U posted it... Dont doubt urself for such "questions".
I am sorry but I have to say it - I thought u were a fresher - and still took the time to answer u, and say there is no difference...but in knowing that u have 10yrs experience - painful.
Please .... dont avoid critisicms. I have received "n" number of it. It will only help
Atleast I am sure, next time u will think twice b4 posting.
No offense!!
From India, Madras
54Experience in years will be of no use, if not used properly. U r supposed to be confident of ur views..not ur seniors views (the first mistake u made)
Please dont defend urself. Again - Its not abt sharing knowledge without hesitation.. its abt telling u - think logical.
Ur explanation on someone else / or ur boss saying this - makes no importance. U posted it... Dont doubt urself for such "questions".
I am sorry but I have to say it - I thought u were a fresher - and still took the time to answer u, and say there is no difference...but in knowing that u have 10yrs experience - painful.
Please .... dont avoid critisicms. I have received "n" number of it. It will only help
Atleast I am sure, next time u will think twice b4 posting.
No offense!!
From India, Madras
hello sir, You have the choice to put your initial either infront of your name or after your name. Isn’t it? I hope you got the answer.
From India, Madras
From India, Madras
Hi All, Pls dont fyt ...enjoy the topic........be coolllllllllllll Prashant and asha and dilshad.........
From India, Pune
From India, Pune
Hello Ms. Dilshad,
Plzzz don't blame anyone else-including me, since I addressed you as 'Bhai' once- for calling you Mr and NOT Ms--you never clarified this aspect even once since you posted this thread on 12th April. Pl. accept my apologies reg this aspect.
Coming to your response/reaction [frankly I don't know what to call it as] to others' postings, can I ask you one thing?
You mentioned: "But my boss told that there is a slight difference between these designations and made a comment on me that you not even know this?" Can you pl. ask him the differences and inform all of us on this forum? There is a reason why I am asking this.....I do hope you will take it in the right spirit. Maybe there's some justification to the age-old proverb: Look for something lost where you lost it.
I will let you & others know the reason why I am asking you as soon as I see your response.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Plzzz don't blame anyone else-including me, since I addressed you as 'Bhai' once- for calling you Mr and NOT Ms--you never clarified this aspect even once since you posted this thread on 12th April. Pl. accept my apologies reg this aspect.
Coming to your response/reaction [frankly I don't know what to call it as] to others' postings, can I ask you one thing?
You mentioned: "But my boss told that there is a slight difference between these designations and made a comment on me that you not even know this?" Can you pl. ask him the differences and inform all of us on this forum? There is a reason why I am asking this.....I do hope you will take it in the right spirit. Maybe there's some justification to the age-old proverb: Look for something lost where you lost it.
I will let you & others know the reason why I am asking you as soon as I see your response.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Ash
I think you don't like criticism. Though I am not from HR stream still I learn lot of thing from this form. I am a business person. I don't think people in this form are insensible. This is not a chat room where people say any dam thing. Defiantly if someone is asking a question he/she want assure him/herself whether they are thinking right either they are on wrong side. Even I consult my friends on some topic when I am taking decision on serious issue.
But I have seen and experience, Once I asked some question on a form, one of fellow gave me answer first you learn English than ask question though my question was not about language. May be my grammar is not good but I have nothing do with that I am a successful business person. I felt very bad.
Simple thing I wanted to say don’t discourage people, if you think someone is asking wrong question don’t waste your time by answering him/her.
Bye
Indu
From India, New Delhi
I think you don't like criticism. Though I am not from HR stream still I learn lot of thing from this form. I am a business person. I don't think people in this form are insensible. This is not a chat room where people say any dam thing. Defiantly if someone is asking a question he/she want assure him/herself whether they are thinking right either they are on wrong side. Even I consult my friends on some topic when I am taking decision on serious issue.
But I have seen and experience, Once I asked some question on a form, one of fellow gave me answer first you learn English than ask question though my question was not about language. May be my grammar is not good but I have nothing do with that I am a successful business person. I felt very bad.
Simple thing I wanted to say don’t discourage people, if you think someone is asking wrong question don’t waste your time by answering him/her.
Bye
Indu
From India, New Delhi
Dear Friend,
you are getting confused. HR executive and Executive HR is one and all the same. Normally you should have designations or hirearchy in your organization then followed by department. You should freeze the designations and grades first then it will be easy for your / for any one to work out on comp & benefit and other related benefits, career progression and comparision and grouping hence better to designate Executive - HR only.
The following table may give you some idea on designation and grouping
General Manager
Assistant General Manager
Manager
G-3Deputy Manager
Assistant Manager
Senior Executive
Officer
if you have some technicians, operators. assitants in various department etc you may add one more grade as technician/ assitant then the next grade even though they are technician you can designate them as Jr. officer - technical / HR / accounts / purchase / admn / liaison etc.
The officer / Executive /manager / GM/VP is the designation followed by department
I believe now you are clear.
Thanks and regards - kameswarao
From India, Hyderabad
you are getting confused. HR executive and Executive HR is one and all the same. Normally you should have designations or hirearchy in your organization then followed by department. You should freeze the designations and grades first then it will be easy for your / for any one to work out on comp & benefit and other related benefits, career progression and comparision and grouping hence better to designate Executive - HR only.
The following table may give you some idea on designation and grouping
Designation
Proposed Group
Senior Vice PresidentProposed Group
G-6
Vice PresidentGeneral Manager
G-5
Deputy General ManagerAssistant General Manager
G-4
Senior ManagerManager
G-3
Assistant Manager
Senior Executive
G-2
ExecutiveOfficer
G-1
Junior Officerif you have some technicians, operators. assitants in various department etc you may add one more grade as technician/ assitant then the next grade even though they are technician you can designate them as Jr. officer - technical / HR / accounts / purchase / admn / liaison etc.
The officer / Executive /manager / GM/VP is the designation followed by department
I believe now you are clear.
Thanks and regards - kameswarao
From India, Hyderabad
HR Executive means, a person who is designated as executive Executive - HR means, a person who is, himself an executive in his life beside HR By Marlia
From India, Madras
From India, Madras
Hi Asha/Nitu
I am sorry to tell. Here most of the people are to learn things. If they have doubt they just wanted to clarify the same & seniors like you if interested can answer for the same.
Actually I don't know the name of the person who posted. I request to even specify their names who needs help. To be frank few months back even I had doubt on the same Issue.
Even now in some organisations there are 2 designations as Executive HR & HR executive. I hope most of the people will be aware of Arvind Mills. They are following the same designations. For the Junior persons are called as HR Executive & who is equal to manager is called as Executive HR. I am telling the practice which is in Arvind Group.
Do U think as this question is unfair. If unfair what can we tell about the well known organisation.
I am not supporting anybody in this matter but just expressing the fact.
Hope not hurting anybody
Jeeva
From India, Bangalore
I am sorry to tell. Here most of the people are to learn things. If they have doubt they just wanted to clarify the same & seniors like you if interested can answer for the same.
Actually I don't know the name of the person who posted. I request to even specify their names who needs help. To be frank few months back even I had doubt on the same Issue.
Even now in some organisations there are 2 designations as Executive HR & HR executive. I hope most of the people will be aware of Arvind Mills. They are following the same designations. For the Junior persons are called as HR Executive & who is equal to manager is called as Executive HR. I am telling the practice which is in Arvind Group.
Do U think as this question is unfair. If unfair what can we tell about the well known organisation.
I am not supporting anybody in this matter but just expressing the fact.
Hope not hurting anybody
Jeeva
From India, Bangalore
Jeeva are you from Arvind Mills?
Please dont take me wrong.. But even great people tend to make mistakes (I am sure you agree)
So in the same way - if Arvind is douing such a thing, kindly advise them that it makes no difference.
I have interviewed candidates from Arvind mills for HR role... but I have never come across such statements though.
From India, Madras
Please dont take me wrong.. But even great people tend to make mistakes (I am sure you agree)
So in the same way - if Arvind is douing such a thing, kindly advise them that it makes no difference.
I have interviewed candidates from Arvind mills for HR role... but I have never come across such statements though.
From India, Madras
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