Hi Chandra, Such profiles do exist in small companies or companies which are very labour heavy in the services industry like Facility Management or Housekeeping. At the end of the day, HR was earlier known to take care of administrative duties also. THere are many Indian companies which offer the designation as Manager HR & Admin. So there is nothing wrong in finding such JDs..atleast they are being honest in mentioning the Job Responsibilities upfront rather than having a ambigous role which many so called employee friendly comopanies offer nowadays. Rgds, Ranjit
From India, Mumbai
5From India, Mumbai
I have a very different perspective. Please see the designation, its Manager HR. May be thats the reason they have mentioned all the roles like HR, Admin, Legal etc under one roof. Being manager of the company, he/she will be leading a team who are from HR, Admin, Legar, housekeeping and thats the only reason I see for the multi tasked JD. I may be wrong also Regards, sheetal
Dear All, This was a great discussion I would like to take an example over here and then try to describe my stand on this. I being a HR person with experience in Both manufacturing and IT industry want to start a greenfield project or a brownfield project for that matter at some point of time. My qualification would be MBA, LLB and a diploma in project management. Now since i am starting my own company, i would be the MD of an organization. Now the strengths i have with me is that i have a basic knowledge of accounting through MBA, HR through MBA, operations and setting up the project through project management and knowledge of company legal formalities through LLB. Now my weaknesses are that i do not know statutory requirements in terms of govermnet formalities in admin, which include STPI registration, Inport export certificate, bonding and debonding etc. I would also require an advocate, but i would have to draft him the requirements and also explain the situation and also help him draft the letter as per the corporate situation which can be a industrial relations dispute as well. So in this case will the job (job description given above) which has been described above help me in gaining knowledge on all the above things to become a MD at a later point of time or since i am a HR person i should stick only to the HR department and criticize the above description. We have talked of recession - A CEO's job in times of recession is to keep the organization a profit center through cost optimization. All the managers are giving presentations on cost optimization measures for each of their departments. Will a CEO having knoweldge of Admin (going to the level of cots in house keeping, office boys, etc), HR, Law, employment,training be a better person to provide leadership in terms of sugestion and action plan, or will a person in the CEO position with limited knowledge be a better person to deal with the situation. In case of a legal case in a manufacturing facility due to an accident, which person will be better equipped to handle the situation? A) a person with knowledge of requirements of safety in facilities (admin) and knowledge of union laws so that he can help draft the letter in official terms with an advocate in case of a dispute OR B) A person just handling the case randomly who does not know the facts and tell the advocate just what hapened and does not mention the terms So i think if i were to look out for a job, i would definitely take the offer for the above position unless my aim is to confine myself to HR.
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Dear Chandru, As per my knowledge the HR and Admin are the 2 faces of a same & single coin. Before HR Management concept came into play, there used to be a personnel department, which used to take care of all the issues u said (Both of HR, Admin & legal). Now the senario is changed. But, in some Organizations, means employers are still smelling those ashes. We may say its wrong, it is right in their way. The result is ur finding. The roles and responsibilities even depends on the Company (Employer) and the industry too. This is my view only.
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
Dear Chandru, As per my knowledge the HR and Admin are the 2 faces of a same & single coin. Before HR Management concept came into play, there used to be a personnel department, which used to take care of all the issues u said (Both of HR, Admin & legal). Now the senario is changed. But, in some Organizations, means employers are still smelling those ashes. We may say its wrong, it is right in their way. The result is ur finding. The roles and responsibilities even depends on the Company (Employer) and the industry too. This is my view only.
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
Dear friends, Thank you all for the comments. This post received good response with different personal views projected and featured in 'Top ten discussions' with more than 1200 views. Knowing all domains of the knowledge front is not wrong but how many would step into the shoes to meet the expectation? Learning never ends. Initially my career started in Admin/Accts and then moved on to core HR and heading it till date. I am competent in drafting and vetting agreements too. I took up the roles of a trainer and curriculum designer besides being an orator, poet, content writer in Tamil/ English, and cover story author for various business and University journals. As a journalist, photographer and social activist, I have interviewed many eminent personalities. They had knowledge of different skills though they never used all. Here, I attribute my efficiency to the varied skills acquired all along that helped me in HR domain also Of course, in the long run such multi-faceted multi-tasking calibre would help you to manage your company on your own. You would gain this experience when you go up the career with momentum. To some extent , personal interest to learn also plays a vital role. This may not be the case with all and should not be expected by default in everyone. Many would not aspire to do 'all in one' without compromising on quality. Being multi-skilled is different from multi-tasking, though they sound alike. Multi-skill is 'a matter of possessing various skills'. Of which, one or many can be exposed at any time when need arises. Here the degree of mastery does not arise. Multi-tasking refers to 'carrying out certain combinational jobs within a time frame or period'. Here the degree of mastery arises which attributes to your quality of performance and fineness. Of course, it is quite painful to note that employers are seeking for this 'masala' piece citing recession and cost as reasons. It is the prerogative of those employers to advertise for ‘combined role’ vacancy and act accordingly. As a member of this CiteHR forum, we have the right to criticize and comment on it. We cannot stop them or infringe into their actions saying 'right' or 'wrong'. As long as the positive ocean current prevails, your boat sails without effort. Good luck! Regards, Chandru
From India, Madras
From India, Madras
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