Venila,
I got your point :) but just for your information all that you have mentioned has already happenend to me. Promises were not kept, relieving letters/certificates not issued, environment not friendly etc etc.
From the way you are writing lookslike you are pretty much a fresher - I might be wrong but these are very much the symptoms of a fresher.
In order to tackle all these issues, instead of changing the organization its better one should change himself/herself, which will anyhow happen, but it will be easier if you realize that this change is all pervasive and inevitable. LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT. You cannot keeping jumping organizations at the drop of a hat. Even in Microsoft, Google you are bound to face these issues.
If you are stuck in a traffic jam, what will you do?????? You can fret, fume, rue, castigate the government (organization) for its infrastructure, its governance or you can simply put on the music and patiently wait till the traffic is cleared. One always has a choice, right?
Try and look at people who are happier, richer, and more successful than you. You say that your demands are not met but how about the person who is a super performer, contributing 5 times of your contribution and still not demanding. How would an employer look at you??? You think that you are a top performer but is this what your manager/employer thinks? He might have come across hundreds of people better than you and down to earth at the same time.
Ravi,
Let us not under estimate any job/profession - be it of an HR, CEO or cobbler. Everybody does his/her work and is paid for the same. Injustice/harrassment happens to everybody - HR is not an exception. Let us learn to respect every department/individual, may be this will help us in reducing our set of problems and make life easier.
Thanks,
Yash.
From India, Bangalore
I got your point :) but just for your information all that you have mentioned has already happenend to me. Promises were not kept, relieving letters/certificates not issued, environment not friendly etc etc.
From the way you are writing lookslike you are pretty much a fresher - I might be wrong but these are very much the symptoms of a fresher.
In order to tackle all these issues, instead of changing the organization its better one should change himself/herself, which will anyhow happen, but it will be easier if you realize that this change is all pervasive and inevitable. LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT. You cannot keeping jumping organizations at the drop of a hat. Even in Microsoft, Google you are bound to face these issues.
If you are stuck in a traffic jam, what will you do?????? You can fret, fume, rue, castigate the government (organization) for its infrastructure, its governance or you can simply put on the music and patiently wait till the traffic is cleared. One always has a choice, right?
Try and look at people who are happier, richer, and more successful than you. You say that your demands are not met but how about the person who is a super performer, contributing 5 times of your contribution and still not demanding. How would an employer look at you??? You think that you are a top performer but is this what your manager/employer thinks? He might have come across hundreds of people better than you and down to earth at the same time.
Ravi,
Let us not under estimate any job/profession - be it of an HR, CEO or cobbler. Everybody does his/her work and is paid for the same. Injustice/harrassment happens to everybody - HR is not an exception. Let us learn to respect every department/individual, may be this will help us in reducing our set of problems and make life easier.
Thanks,
Yash.
From India, Bangalore
Yash,
As mentioned by you, whatever has happened to venilla has already happened with you. But you may call it fate, luck that you survived the situation easily, you might have planned some action plan to get out of the situation and got out easily, venilla must also have tried her best, but when she found out its no use of speaking with the management who in her case are as still as stone, ultimately the best that can be done is to resign. There are some situations in life wherein you have to choose to back up,, like while hunting even most experienced hunters sometimes choose to back up when a group of wolves confront them.... and there is a level upto which u can tolerate.. injustice done to you...
how can u expect and say,, LIVE WITH IT,, and instead of changing the organisation change oneself,,
how can one compromise on his values, principles...
From India, Pune
54As mentioned by you, whatever has happened to venilla has already happened with you. But you may call it fate, luck that you survived the situation easily, you might have planned some action plan to get out of the situation and got out easily, venilla must also have tried her best, but when she found out its no use of speaking with the management who in her case are as still as stone, ultimately the best that can be done is to resign. There are some situations in life wherein you have to choose to back up,, like while hunting even most experienced hunters sometimes choose to back up when a group of wolves confront them.... and there is a level upto which u can tolerate.. injustice done to you...
how can u expect and say,, LIVE WITH IT,, and instead of changing the organisation change oneself,,
how can one compromise on his values, principles...
From India, Pune
Dear Venilla,
I think there is no need to overanalyse sometimes. As many a times some cases are genuine like for example designations being changed contarry to as being offered in the offer letter. Also the other side of the coin is the integrity of the HR is questionable in many instances.
The most important thing is to try and see if the candidate possess the requisite potential as required by the job. A benefit of doubt should always be benefitted to the employee, in most of the case the employee doea not joins the company with a motive to leave but most of the management makes. Read "the Enthusiastic Employee" by David Sirota. We should stop being so sceptical and trust of our instincts. There is no way to say that even if an employee has been moving about a lot, given a right environment he could stick around for ever.
regards,
From India, Andheri
I think there is no need to overanalyse sometimes. As many a times some cases are genuine like for example designations being changed contarry to as being offered in the offer letter. Also the other side of the coin is the integrity of the HR is questionable in many instances.
The most important thing is to try and see if the candidate possess the requisite potential as required by the job. A benefit of doubt should always be benefitted to the employee, in most of the case the employee doea not joins the company with a motive to leave but most of the management makes. Read "the Enthusiastic Employee" by David Sirota. We should stop being so sceptical and trust of our instincts. There is no way to say that even if an employee has been moving about a lot, given a right environment he could stick around for ever.
regards,
From India, Andheri
Ravi,
I agree with you - not everybody is built the same way - I might have been luckier. All I wanted to say is that one should not over react. Its better that one should learn to be flexible and diplomatic rather than being stringent. There would be a point in everybody's career when he/she will realize that these issues were really petty and there are a lot better things to learn, enjoy and focus on.
At some point of career, you will realize that you cannot even resign because of so many other factors (professional or personal) then you will be bound to LIVE WITH IT.
I repeat - LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT or you will perish. Choice is yours....
Yash.
From India, Bangalore
I agree with you - not everybody is built the same way - I might have been luckier. All I wanted to say is that one should not over react. Its better that one should learn to be flexible and diplomatic rather than being stringent. There would be a point in everybody's career when he/she will realize that these issues were really petty and there are a lot better things to learn, enjoy and focus on.
At some point of career, you will realize that you cannot even resign because of so many other factors (professional or personal) then you will be bound to LIVE WITH IT.
I repeat - LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT or you will perish. Choice is yours....
Yash.
From India, Bangalore
Dear Mr. Sivasankaran,
Thanks for the suggestions given to handle the interview with such a situation. But, one more thing being a top contributor from day 1 of joining till resignation, the feedback given during reference is not worth.
They have given worst feedback, according to conscience which is not even 1% true but they have given one postive thing as excellent performer in one specific area..
Let me ask one question, Sir is there any benefit in taking revenge on the resigned employees by saying unrelated, unbelievable lies....
Is it not a sin to destroy a life of best contributed employee for the company so far.....
How it is possible, to create and cook such a worst stories???
Regards,
Vennila
From India, Madras
Thanks for the suggestions given to handle the interview with such a situation. But, one more thing being a top contributor from day 1 of joining till resignation, the feedback given during reference is not worth.
They have given worst feedback, according to conscience which is not even 1% true but they have given one postive thing as excellent performer in one specific area..
Let me ask one question, Sir is there any benefit in taking revenge on the resigned employees by saying unrelated, unbelievable lies....
Is it not a sin to destroy a life of best contributed employee for the company so far.....
How it is possible, to create and cook such a worst stories???
Regards,
Vennila
From India, Madras
Thanks RashmiRamanath,
I think you are right from one side of view...
In some cases, if HR is okay and if the BOSS is creating problem and HR is not able to act against the BOSS then what will be the solution for the suffered employees...........
Will forming a separate forum or statutory body will solve the grievance of the employees?
Regards,
Vennila
From India, Madras
I think you are right from one side of view...
In some cases, if HR is okay and if the BOSS is creating problem and HR is not able to act against the BOSS then what will be the solution for the suffered employees...........
Will forming a separate forum or statutory body will solve the grievance of the employees?
Regards,
Vennila
From India, Madras
Dear TMS,
Thanks for your comments and we convince the interviewer with accepatable universal reason, finally during the third round of interview they got the feedback from the X employer as so and so.....
and the offer was not given at the very last moment
Who is suffered??? What has to be the reaction of the victim...
From India, Madras
Thanks for your comments and we convince the interviewer with accepatable universal reason, finally during the third round of interview they got the feedback from the X employer as so and so.....
and the offer was not given at the very last moment
Who is suffered??? What has to be the reaction of the victim...
From India, Madras
Dear Yash,
"I got your point but just for your information all that you have mentioned has already happenend to me. Promises were not kept, relieving letters/certificates not issued, environment not friendly etc etc. "
What you had done in that previous situation, You too resigned, right??
"From the way you are writing lookslike you are pretty much a fresher - I might be wrong but these are very much the symptoms of a fresher. "
I may be a fresher, or experienced, may be good or worst in writing, but whoever in this type of situation will lose the confident level about the company and interest in servicing the company. Job Satisfaction will become 0%.
"In order to tackle all these issues, instead of changing the organization its better one should change himself/herself, which will anyhow happen, but it will be easier if you realize that this change is all pervasive and inevitable. LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT. You cannot keeping jumping organizations at the drop of a hat. Even in Microsoft, Google you are bound to face these issues. "
Is it possible to give up our values and principles
"If you are stuck in a traffic jam, what will you do?????? You can fret, fume, rue, castigate the government (organization) for its infrastructure, its governance or you can simply put on the music and patiently wait till the traffic is cleared. One always has a choice, right? "
For the traffic Jam to get cleared you will wait for 1, 5 or 10 minutes will you wait for a day or a week?? Just like that I waited patiently with many things for 2 appraisals (previous 2 appraisals was okay) without decreasing my performance and I lost all my expectations and resigned then they forced me stay back for one more year but I came out, they have not given proper cerficates and now giving worst feedback to the reference call wherever I attend interview...
Anyways, will it get cleared atleast for other employees.....?
"Try and look at people who are happier, richer, and more successful than you. You say that your demands are not met but how about the person who is a super performer, contributing 5 times of your contribution and still not demanding. How would an employer look at you??? You think that you are a top performer but is this what your manager/employer thinks? He might have come across hundreds of people better than you and down to earth at the same time"
For your information, I was Xlnt performer contributed many times than others in my department (certified by my CEO) and praised by my employer as top contributor since day one, He has given the feedback in my appraisal as Enthusiastic Top contributor for the company...
he always suggest many others to be like me in contribution, and I does'nt think by myself as I am the best.. I was told that I am best..
To say in a sentence " during my serivce I forgot my family for many days to keep up the top performer title"
I believe in my hard work and perfection and hope will reach the goal...
Anyways thanks a lot for your suggestions...
I will try "Learn to live with it" concept but not able giveup my values"
Thank you,
Vennila N
From India, Madras
"I got your point but just for your information all that you have mentioned has already happenend to me. Promises were not kept, relieving letters/certificates not issued, environment not friendly etc etc. "
What you had done in that previous situation, You too resigned, right??
"From the way you are writing lookslike you are pretty much a fresher - I might be wrong but these are very much the symptoms of a fresher. "
I may be a fresher, or experienced, may be good or worst in writing, but whoever in this type of situation will lose the confident level about the company and interest in servicing the company. Job Satisfaction will become 0%.
"In order to tackle all these issues, instead of changing the organization its better one should change himself/herself, which will anyhow happen, but it will be easier if you realize that this change is all pervasive and inevitable. LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT. You cannot keeping jumping organizations at the drop of a hat. Even in Microsoft, Google you are bound to face these issues. "
Is it possible to give up our values and principles
"If you are stuck in a traffic jam, what will you do?????? You can fret, fume, rue, castigate the government (organization) for its infrastructure, its governance or you can simply put on the music and patiently wait till the traffic is cleared. One always has a choice, right? "
For the traffic Jam to get cleared you will wait for 1, 5 or 10 minutes will you wait for a day or a week?? Just like that I waited patiently with many things for 2 appraisals (previous 2 appraisals was okay) without decreasing my performance and I lost all my expectations and resigned then they forced me stay back for one more year but I came out, they have not given proper cerficates and now giving worst feedback to the reference call wherever I attend interview...
Anyways, will it get cleared atleast for other employees.....?
"Try and look at people who are happier, richer, and more successful than you. You say that your demands are not met but how about the person who is a super performer, contributing 5 times of your contribution and still not demanding. How would an employer look at you??? You think that you are a top performer but is this what your manager/employer thinks? He might have come across hundreds of people better than you and down to earth at the same time"
For your information, I was Xlnt performer contributed many times than others in my department (certified by my CEO) and praised by my employer as top contributor since day one, He has given the feedback in my appraisal as Enthusiastic Top contributor for the company...
he always suggest many others to be like me in contribution, and I does'nt think by myself as I am the best.. I was told that I am best..
To say in a sentence " during my serivce I forgot my family for many days to keep up the top performer title"
I believe in my hard work and perfection and hope will reach the goal...
Anyways thanks a lot for your suggestions...
I will try "Learn to live with it" concept but not able giveup my values"
Thank you,
Vennila N
From India, Madras
Hi Highlander,
Thanks for your reply. Employees with same team and same job with different levels given unrelated title, that's different from the offer letter in the name of promotion. With the present designation it is very confusing and difficult to search for a job vacancy, whereever I go they are asking who gave this title... Even if I convince at the last moment the feedback given by the X employer makes my offer get cancelled,
Is it Justice.... :?:
Definetely I will read "the Enthusiastic Employee" by David Sirota.
Thanks again,
Vennila N
From India, Madras
Thanks for your reply. Employees with same team and same job with different levels given unrelated title, that's different from the offer letter in the name of promotion. With the present designation it is very confusing and difficult to search for a job vacancy, whereever I go they are asking who gave this title... Even if I convince at the last moment the feedback given by the X employer makes my offer get cancelled,
Is it Justice.... :?:
Definetely I will read "the Enthusiastic Employee" by David Sirota.
Thanks again,
Vennila N
From India, Madras
Dear Vennila
It happens. It happens to many.
Worst performers dont face this issue. But excellent performers face this problem.And these excellent performers who can come out of such problems alone reach the top positions in Corporate.Revenge will not help.Attach yourself with a consultant for a year.You can always give a reason that you wanted to be on your own for some time due to some personal reasons. Look for a correct job after six months to one year. Reference is made to the consultant and people in your current organisation may also forget and start giving correct opinions. I have come across with people adapting this strategy . This is just one strategy I can recommend.
But revenge is not the word you should even think of in your career.
You are in Chennai. If you want to call me you are welcome.
You get my contacts in my profile
Best wishes
Siva
From India, Chennai
It happens. It happens to many.
Worst performers dont face this issue. But excellent performers face this problem.And these excellent performers who can come out of such problems alone reach the top positions in Corporate.Revenge will not help.Attach yourself with a consultant for a year.You can always give a reason that you wanted to be on your own for some time due to some personal reasons. Look for a correct job after six months to one year. Reference is made to the consultant and people in your current organisation may also forget and start giving correct opinions. I have come across with people adapting this strategy . This is just one strategy I can recommend.
But revenge is not the word you should even think of in your career.
You are in Chennai. If you want to call me you are welcome.
You get my contacts in my profile
Best wishes
Siva
From India, Chennai
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