Hi,
I just have answered to you after reading your line “HR is seen as just an activity and assumed that doesn't have any contribution or cannot contribute towards organizational mission, goal and vision.” thats it!!
And i dont need to research on sarcasm and have nothing done like this.
From India, Gurgaon
664I just have answered to you after reading your line “HR is seen as just an activity and assumed that doesn't have any contribution or cannot contribute towards organizational mission, goal and vision.” thats it!!
And i dont need to research on sarcasm and have nothing done like this.
From India, Gurgaon
Dear Anil
I think I have failed in explaining my views to you. Firstly why are you reading only the last part of my entire sentence. why cant you read it in totality, that is how it is meant to be read.
Second, if you dont understand sarcasm, you will not understand my reply to the query.
When and where did I tell you, that you have used sarcasm.
Enlarge your perception, understand what is not been told, learn to read between lines, it will help you in coming times.
Regards
Octavious
From India, Mumbai
I think I have failed in explaining my views to you. Firstly why are you reading only the last part of my entire sentence. why cant you read it in totality, that is how it is meant to be read.
Second, if you dont understand sarcasm, you will not understand my reply to the query.
When and where did I tell you, that you have used sarcasm.
Enlarge your perception, understand what is not been told, learn to read between lines, it will help you in coming times.
Regards
Octavious
From India, Mumbai
Hi.....
all the HR manager's have their own rolls and responsiblities towards the organisation. but seeing from outside will have the same thoughts. but check out with the person who is handling that roll for the proper update...
Bharath Vinod....
From India, Bangalore
all the HR manager's have their own rolls and responsiblities towards the organisation. but seeing from outside will have the same thoughts. but check out with the person who is handling that roll for the proper update...
Bharath Vinod....
From India, Bangalore
Hi Octavious, Your answer to the post in sarcastic way is too good and eagerly waiting to see the reply from Nagbajjuri. Thanks and Regards, Vishal Vinod.
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
Certainly NOT.... The advantages of HR in any organisation is immense and HR is regarded as a back bone of a company..!!!
From India, Ahmadabad
From India, Ahmadabad
Hello Every one......
Thanks for the Reply and same with your Precious contribution......
First of all, I am not Criticising the HRM.
I am Postgraduate Student in HRM from Wales University UK........
I Know that, without HRM it is Equal with making a noise in front of Duff & Dum.
But I want the Perfect answer to the above Question asked.
Can any one Evaluate the statement with best suitable Example.
Thanks every one and Mainly CITE HR.
From United Kingdom, London
Thanks for the Reply and same with your Precious contribution......
First of all, I am not Criticising the HRM.
I am Postgraduate Student in HRM from Wales University UK........
I Know that, without HRM it is Equal with making a noise in front of Duff & Dum.
But I want the Perfect answer to the above Question asked.
Can any one Evaluate the statement with best suitable Example.
Thanks every one and Mainly CITE HR.
From United Kingdom, London
I absolutely disagree HR managers are a waste of money.feel and think once how the relations will exists in the society .It is a real task to know the Human perceptions in order to understand their attitudes. In spite of that see HR department Done the actions and accurately HR manager meet the challengers and make motivation from their employees in order to be a part for the development of organization success.
Believe that HR manager is the backbone of organization actions and also be a part and parcel for make healthy environment and try to mould the knowledge employees.
Regards,
Jyothirmai.
From India, Eluru
Believe that HR manager is the backbone of organization actions and also be a part and parcel for make healthy environment and try to mould the knowledge employees.
Regards,
Jyothirmai.
From India, Eluru
Mr Octavious , the same answer was expected from your side and told you earlier please dont take it personally but guess….well you are still not getting my point what I wanted to say here.
You know why I have used your statement “Yes, hr is waste of money, when hr is controlled by management, when hr is seen as just a activity and assumed that it doesn't have any contribution or cannot contribute towards organizational mission, goal and vision” for my answer in your complete post, bcz I wanted to let you know that it is not like that HR Managers are not contributing to achieve organizational missions, goals and vision or not wanted to do so but they are doing their jobs accordingly.
First, Mr. Octavious you have used HR instead of HR Manager here and please go through your statement for this. We were discusses whether HR Managers are the real investment /money for organization or not (Waste of Money) Right?? Your all answers were based on HR or HRD but the main topic was whether the HR Managers are capable of making HR systems by their functions so that an organization can run smoothly/ effectively to achieve the set mission, goals and vision by the Organization, Right?
Why haven’t made any comments on your other statement bcz I have never found anything wrong except your first statement.
HR Managers are doing their job but the thing is that they are constrained to do what Management wants them to do in many cases but not completely and agreed to your statement “HR is waste of Money, when companies and top management wants it to act as per their wimps and fancies, and doesn't like HR interventions”
A-You said “HR is off course a waste of money, when they are not considered as a strategic partner in business”
Could you please explain this? What you want from HRD, from our HR Managers, taking part in making strategies, how to develop a business or provide effective resources to the other departments to functioning those properly in regards to the same, ACHIEVING THE GOALS, MISSION AND VISION set by the organization. Why are you saying that HR is not considered as a strategic Business Partner? I don’t think it comes under HR functions.
See already you have mentioned “Humans or the employees are most important part of any organization. A good company becomes a great company through its employees” and I buy that bcz Employees are the first resources what HR has to provide to all other departments to run an organization and this is comes under HR responsibilities. And you were criticizing the whole Human Resource.
B-You said “HR is waste of time, in those companies, where HR is not seen as department, but treated more like a orderly” Yes I buy that too but my dear guess you haven’t noticed that I didn’t say any single word about this statements bcz I agreed to this and feel the same and now let me ask you one thing that you really thinks that HR Managers are not doing their jobs or are not capable of making good system for running their organization smoothly.
I just wanted to say that it is erroneous to say that HR Managers are waste of Money but need to be more useful, effective towards the attainment of organization goals and missions
That’s what I wanted to say here and hope im to the point and made myself clear this time
From India, Gurgaon
Dear Anil
Please find answer to the query (how HR contributes to strategy) on your own, to start with you need to read alot on current topic, best would be to read up on HR activities of Accenture and microsoft, to begin with.
I am least interested as to what you perceived, because any person who is reading post in totality will understand what was the view that I wished to communicate.
I can help you understand a perception, but I cannot teach you, because to teach a person, the person whom something has to be taught should be ready to learn.
A person with rigid views and ideas will find it very difficult to learn and understand new concepts and ideas and ideology.
I wish not to discuss this topic further, because you are repeating the same argument again and again, I too tend to do the same.
Hope you understand what I have requested.
Regards
Octavious
From India, Mumbai
Please find answer to the query (how HR contributes to strategy) on your own, to start with you need to read alot on current topic, best would be to read up on HR activities of Accenture and microsoft, to begin with.
I am least interested as to what you perceived, because any person who is reading post in totality will understand what was the view that I wished to communicate.
I can help you understand a perception, but I cannot teach you, because to teach a person, the person whom something has to be taught should be ready to learn.
A person with rigid views and ideas will find it very difficult to learn and understand new concepts and ideas and ideology.
I wish not to discuss this topic further, because you are repeating the same argument again and again, I too tend to do the same.
Hope you understand what I have requested.
Regards
Octavious
From India, Mumbai
I suspect this was some sort of research question for a student.
Instead of he/she doing the required research work, Cite members just gave the person the answer on a plate.
HR will always be a waste of money, if the students today do not learn the fundamentals in their studies AND ENTER THE WORKFORCE KNOWING HOW TO DO THE WORK THEY ARE PAID TO DO.
There are so many so called "HR professionals" on CiteHR, constantly asking how to do basic HR tasks. It just beggars belief how these untrained people get responsible jobs in a complex field like HR.
During my career, I have had dealings with incompetent HR staff. It is those people that give HR a bad name and lead many other people to to view that they are a waste of time, money and space.
From Australia, Melbourne
Instead of he/she doing the required research work, Cite members just gave the person the answer on a plate.
HR will always be a waste of money, if the students today do not learn the fundamentals in their studies AND ENTER THE WORKFORCE KNOWING HOW TO DO THE WORK THEY ARE PAID TO DO.
There are so many so called "HR professionals" on CiteHR, constantly asking how to do basic HR tasks. It just beggars belief how these untrained people get responsible jobs in a complex field like HR.
During my career, I have had dealings with incompetent HR staff. It is those people that give HR a bad name and lead many other people to to view that they are a waste of time, money and space.
From Australia, Melbourne
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