I agree with Ramnag.
Keep your appointment letter,any increment letters,company communication in chronological order...if you are good in interviews then even if you don't have proper relieving formalities papers with you still you will be hired.
Don't waste your time,better is if you can take a letter from one of your prestigious client companies that you have hired for them,so that is like giving some important people from the industry as your professional reference,that should work for you.
Thanks
Geeta
From Korea, Seoul
13Keep your appointment letter,any increment letters,company communication in chronological order...if you are good in interviews then even if you don't have proper relieving formalities papers with you still you will be hired.
Don't waste your time,better is if you can take a letter from one of your prestigious client companies that you have hired for them,so that is like giving some important people from the industry as your professional reference,that should work for you.
Thanks
Geeta
From Korea, Seoul
Dear Kiran,
Geeta's suggestion is also a excellent one. Nowdays I come across most restless youngsters in this site are suggesting/opting to antagonise employers / seek legal remedies and this would definitely ruin your career. As HR professionals, we should set an example to others and should not misguide youngsters to go for legal remedies, antagonising superiors which is not very easy and in most cases would misfire.
From India, Madras
Geeta's suggestion is also a excellent one. Nowdays I come across most restless youngsters in this site are suggesting/opting to antagonise employers / seek legal remedies and this would definitely ruin your career. As HR professionals, we should set an example to others and should not misguide youngsters to go for legal remedies, antagonising superiors which is not very easy and in most cases would misfire.
From India, Madras
Hi Kiran,
Just talk to them once again and ask if they have any plans of providing you the relieving letter. If they still say No, you could put a word across to them that you have plans of going legal. I am sure that they will provide you the required documents.
However, you have not mentioned on what grounds you left the organization. No matter what big issue had it been, they are still liable to give you a proof of work experience with them.
And the reason they gave you "Left on your own will" is not something they can use against them issuing the releiving letter. Obviously people leave organizations either on their own will for better opportunities or on grounds of discipilnary action. Both the ways will have a releiving letter follwing the exit.
Relieving letter is not just for your prospective employers. Understand the meaning in depth. It means that you dont owe them anything more in completion of any work, or any dues of amount borrowed. In future it can turn as a problem for anyone. They can even one day walk up to your future employer and say "When this guy has not been relieved - how can you hire him?"
Think! Act smart
From India, Madras
Just talk to them once again and ask if they have any plans of providing you the relieving letter. If they still say No, you could put a word across to them that you have plans of going legal. I am sure that they will provide you the required documents.
However, you have not mentioned on what grounds you left the organization. No matter what big issue had it been, they are still liable to give you a proof of work experience with them.
And the reason they gave you "Left on your own will" is not something they can use against them issuing the releiving letter. Obviously people leave organizations either on their own will for better opportunities or on grounds of discipilnary action. Both the ways will have a releiving letter follwing the exit.
Relieving letter is not just for your prospective employers. Understand the meaning in depth. It means that you dont owe them anything more in completion of any work, or any dues of amount borrowed. In future it can turn as a problem for anyone. They can even one day walk up to your future employer and say "When this guy has not been relieved - how can you hire him?"
Think! Act smart
From India, Madras
Just for teh information of everyone.
I did the mistake of not getting the releiving certifcate of an employee (a good performer). Joined us 5 months back.
Now I have received an email from the CEO of this employee's ex-employer, asking me to justify on what basis I hired him.
Infact the person had the same issue - problem with previous employer. So the refernce check on his character and performance was conducted with other top industry contacts. And this employee even served his notice period - inspite of all those - the employer got back demanding a justification.
And Ramnag
Legal is the right way. If people dont raise their voices - there will be no betterment towards hr practises and better working places, and fair treatment of employees.
No youngsters are wasting their time in going legal. Infact the very mentioning of LEGAL - can make employers re-think on their actions and act properly.
This must start now - if not, never will such things stop happening.
From India, Madras
I did the mistake of not getting the releiving certifcate of an employee (a good performer). Joined us 5 months back.
Now I have received an email from the CEO of this employee's ex-employer, asking me to justify on what basis I hired him.
Infact the person had the same issue - problem with previous employer. So the refernce check on his character and performance was conducted with other top industry contacts. And this employee even served his notice period - inspite of all those - the employer got back demanding a justification.
And Ramnag
Legal is the right way. If people dont raise their voices - there will be no betterment towards hr practises and better working places, and fair treatment of employees.
No youngsters are wasting their time in going legal. Infact the very mentioning of LEGAL - can make employers re-think on their actions and act properly.
This must start now - if not, never will such things stop happening.
From India, Madras
My dear Ash,
Coming to your case, if you apply your calm mind, you will agree with me that if an ex-employer/s taking on this candidate continiously wherever he goes, (that too he has served 5 months only) does it mean that this
candidate's service is absolutely required by them (as if HR positions are
so scarce). Hence, the essence of insisting "Relieving certificate" is to
ensure his good conduct in previous companies.
I agree that some employers may refuse service certificate but definitely
they would not go behind the candidate whereever he goes unless the
candidate has some serious problems (disciplinary) with that employer.
Further, you can win legally but be sure it will the end of the road for
your career as no future employer would prefer such candidate.
To my rich experience, 99% of the employers would try to send off
even stained employees by asking resignation only and would not spoil the future as it woud not be their business to go behind each and every candidate unless and otherwise the employee has acted on intolerable limit.
I have a very good number of cases who have opted legal remedies
and still fighting for justice even after decades.
On this ground, I am very sure, if you have high credentials in your past cos, getting in other jobs would not be a serious problem without releiving certificate.
Further more please distinguish between "good performer" and "good behaviour" as later is also very important to run the organisation.
best wishes
From India, Madras
Coming to your case, if you apply your calm mind, you will agree with me that if an ex-employer/s taking on this candidate continiously wherever he goes, (that too he has served 5 months only) does it mean that this
candidate's service is absolutely required by them (as if HR positions are
so scarce). Hence, the essence of insisting "Relieving certificate" is to
ensure his good conduct in previous companies.
I agree that some employers may refuse service certificate but definitely
they would not go behind the candidate whereever he goes unless the
candidate has some serious problems (disciplinary) with that employer.
Further, you can win legally but be sure it will the end of the road for
your career as no future employer would prefer such candidate.
To my rich experience, 99% of the employers would try to send off
even stained employees by asking resignation only and would not spoil the future as it woud not be their business to go behind each and every candidate unless and otherwise the employee has acted on intolerable limit.
I have a very good number of cases who have opted legal remedies
and still fighting for justice even after decades.
On this ground, I am very sure, if you have high credentials in your past cos, getting in other jobs would not be a serious problem without releiving certificate.
Further more please distinguish between "good performer" and "good behaviour" as later is also very important to run the organisation.
best wishes
From India, Madras
Hi,
It's not such a big issue that one should think of legal battles,4 yrs exp means just in the beginning of the career, even without half the documents with you, you can just join any prestigious company, just if you manage to impress the interviewer that you have actually got 4 years of experience i.e. what you think or say in the interview is worth 4 years then people will hire you. So relax,no need to get hyper about going legal...
Thanks
Geeta
From Korea, Seoul
It's not such a big issue that one should think of legal battles,4 yrs exp means just in the beginning of the career, even without half the documents with you, you can just join any prestigious company, just if you manage to impress the interviewer that you have actually got 4 years of experience i.e. what you think or say in the interview is worth 4 years then people will hire you. So relax,no need to get hyper about going legal...
Thanks
Geeta
From Korea, Seoul
Dear Friends,
I fully agree with what Ms. Ash Matthew has suggested, in addition to this i suggest that better u give legal notice on the grounds that the Co. is not issuing salary slips from the beginning and mention other non-compliances of the Co. copy mark to concerned Labour Commr... this thing definitely give result.
Further, involving urself in legal cases for your legal rights never harmed any body. In case any Co. refuses to give u job merely on the basis of this than i can say better not doing the same mistake by joining such kind of Co. again.
From India, Vadodara
I fully agree with what Ms. Ash Matthew has suggested, in addition to this i suggest that better u give legal notice on the grounds that the Co. is not issuing salary slips from the beginning and mention other non-compliances of the Co. copy mark to concerned Labour Commr... this thing definitely give result.
Further, involving urself in legal cases for your legal rights never harmed any body. In case any Co. refuses to give u job merely on the basis of this than i can say better not doing the same mistake by joining such kind of Co. again.
From India, Vadodara
at least you have sup my view.
in a few cases i found as an individual it's toughto fight out for your rights. bcos once you left the org u evn will not b allowed if u r not a welcom person. in such situations legal is only the way out.
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From India, Madras
in a few cases i found as an individual it's toughto fight out for your rights. bcos once you left the org u evn will not b allowed if u r not a welcom person. in such situations legal is only the way out.
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From India, Madras
Have you ever tried to know, such unethical companies also bother to keep all key people like (Labour commissioner/inspector etc) in their pockets ?:-D
The inspector is well bribed to turn a blind eye,when an issue is not really an issue try and be smart,don't try to be Action hero Sunny deol in action movies ...in this context such action is not here actually:icon6:
And so many cool methods are there to save yourself out of a rut and enjoy life :-P
Life is too small,try to make the most out of it, don't get in to mess when it is not required...:)
From Korea, Seoul
The inspector is well bribed to turn a blind eye,when an issue is not really an issue try and be smart,don't try to be Action hero Sunny deol in action movies ...in this context such action is not here actually:icon6:
And so many cool methods are there to save yourself out of a rut and enjoy life :-P
Life is too small,try to make the most out of it, don't get in to mess when it is not required...:)
From Korea, Seoul
Dear Ramnag,
Its not an HR position - its related to the garments field - a highly "rare" set of profiles are there that matches the requirement.
Regarding employer going at the back of a candidate: Ours is a highly competitive industry (and being coimbatore - the textiles city - u know, business is just LIFE here). He learnt from someone that this person joined the close competitor company - and hence the gesture of getting in touch with me.
Either ways dont you think that Kiran here is in trouble - you say if he goes legal, he will not be pursued by other employers, well - if he does not get his relieving letter, he will not get a job easily.
I would say: Put a word across that he is going legal - need not go in depth unless things call for that. :-)
To your rich experience 99% employers are good. Fine I agree to that.
The problem is we get to see here a lot of the employees from the remaining 1% companies :-) otherwise why would someone raise a problem here.
I have clearly defined - :Good Performer. Good Behavior - comes after the persons tenure with teh company (or atleast observation during the probabtion period) The employee is exceptionally good. And as I mentioned, has strong Industry references.
Cheers!
From India, Madras
Its not an HR position - its related to the garments field - a highly "rare" set of profiles are there that matches the requirement.
Regarding employer going at the back of a candidate: Ours is a highly competitive industry (and being coimbatore - the textiles city - u know, business is just LIFE here). He learnt from someone that this person joined the close competitor company - and hence the gesture of getting in touch with me.
Either ways dont you think that Kiran here is in trouble - you say if he goes legal, he will not be pursued by other employers, well - if he does not get his relieving letter, he will not get a job easily.
I would say: Put a word across that he is going legal - need not go in depth unless things call for that. :-)
To your rich experience 99% employers are good. Fine I agree to that.
The problem is we get to see here a lot of the employees from the remaining 1% companies :-) otherwise why would someone raise a problem here.
I have clearly defined - :Good Performer. Good Behavior - comes after the persons tenure with teh company (or atleast observation during the probabtion period) The employee is exceptionally good. And as I mentioned, has strong Industry references.
Cheers!
From India, Madras
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