Current employer's responsibility is over once he has submitted form 13 to the PF office. In order to know whether the amount has been transferred or not, the employee can keep in touch with the PF office. However, as an HR initiative, the concerned officer who deals with the PF authorities can assist the employee to trace the status of the application either online or from the records at the PF office. Anyway, the matter will be clear when we get the annual statement since the old PF accumulations will be reflected as opening balance.
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
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From India, Kannur
Madhu, I have applied for transfer of PF account "A" to PF account "B" almost 1.6 year back. Recently I learnt that the transfer got rejected stating the below reason:
""Your claim in Form 13 for transfer-in has been rejected the reason is 'Form 5/10 along with Date of Birth particulars to be submitted.Please contact "A" Pvt. Ltd. resubmit the claim along wit the required documents. "
Iam not sure what this means.
- I guess Form5/10 get submitted by the company when someone joins. Is that right?
- Should I now ask company A to submit Form5/10 to concerned EPFO office? Iam not sure how much company "A" will help me now they are very irresponsive to such issues & to those who has left.
- The thing is I joined company "C" now and do not know if I have to resubmit the transfer form again from company "C"?
- What necessary action & right do I have now to get this done faster?
Regards,
Bhagya
From India, Hyderabad
""Your claim in Form 13 for transfer-in has been rejected the reason is 'Form 5/10 along with Date of Birth particulars to be submitted.Please contact "A" Pvt. Ltd. resubmit the claim along wit the required documents. "
Iam not sure what this means.
- I guess Form5/10 get submitted by the company when someone joins. Is that right?
- Should I now ask company A to submit Form5/10 to concerned EPFO office? Iam not sure how much company "A" will help me now they are very irresponsive to such issues & to those who has left.
- The thing is I joined company "C" now and do not know if I have to resubmit the transfer form again from company "C"?
- What necessary action & right do I have now to get this done faster?
Regards,
Bhagya
From India, Hyderabad
Form 5 is to give particulars of your joining company A and form 10 is the one submitted by company A when you left that company. Legally, member of PF (you) are not expected to initiate such things since form 5 and 10 should be available in the PF office if the company has been following the PF formalities up to date. Normally, if any form is missing it is not the member's responsibility to get it but the PF office's responsibility to collect it from the concerned employer (company A)
There are two ways to face it. Either send the letter to company A with a request to submit the relevant documents (form 5 and 10) to the PF Office or to write to PF Office that since your leaving the company, you do not have any connection with the company and as an outsider you do not have any authority to ask the company to submit any of their internal document. In fact you can not direct a company, let it be your previous employer, to give you a company document but the PF Officials can ask for that. Therefore, let the PF Officials take the initiative to get the documents and when the PF officials ask for any document (like form 5/10) the employer is under a legal obligation to give and the employer cannot refuse to give whereas when an outsider and even an employee asks for any PF related document (like any other document) the employer can refuse to give it.
If you opt for the second way, I think there will be delay and you will have to follow up with lots of letters. You can also put the Regional PF Commissioner and also the Central PF Commissioner in to loop so that the lower officials who always try these kinds of tricks will get alerted.
If you have joined company C you will have to make it through company C. It is better to submit two transfer forms one from A to C and another from B to C.
Regards,
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
There are two ways to face it. Either send the letter to company A with a request to submit the relevant documents (form 5 and 10) to the PF Office or to write to PF Office that since your leaving the company, you do not have any connection with the company and as an outsider you do not have any authority to ask the company to submit any of their internal document. In fact you can not direct a company, let it be your previous employer, to give you a company document but the PF Officials can ask for that. Therefore, let the PF Officials take the initiative to get the documents and when the PF officials ask for any document (like form 5/10) the employer is under a legal obligation to give and the employer cannot refuse to give whereas when an outsider and even an employee asks for any PF related document (like any other document) the employer can refuse to give it.
If you opt for the second way, I think there will be delay and you will have to follow up with lots of letters. You can also put the Regional PF Commissioner and also the Central PF Commissioner in to loop so that the lower officials who always try these kinds of tricks will get alerted.
If you have joined company C you will have to make it through company C. It is better to submit two transfer forms one from A to C and another from B to C.
Regards,
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
Thanks Madhu for helping with this information. I just realised that company A has provided me Form5 & 10 while I was leaving them. Now that I have to anyways resubmit the transfer form again with Company C, should I have to also submit the Form5 & 10 along with Form 13? Should I have to summit these forms5/10 in original?
OR
Should I raise another grievance query online stating the same reference number & ask the PF officials to reach to Company A for Form5/10 directly?
OR
Should I write to Central PF officer to reach out to company A for forms5/10? if yes, what should be the process, format of the letter?
I heard I can exhibit some rights as per the RTI Act. Iam not sure how this would work in my case? Can you please help me throw some light here.
From India, Hyderabad
OR
Should I raise another grievance query online stating the same reference number & ask the PF officials to reach to Company A for Form5/10 directly?
OR
Should I write to Central PF officer to reach out to company A for forms5/10? if yes, what should be the process, format of the letter?
I heard I can exhibit some rights as per the RTI Act. Iam not sure how this would work in my case? Can you please help me throw some light here.
From India, Hyderabad
Meeting the Central PF Commissioner and tracing the status of your application/ claims following RTI Act are only actions which you should take when the primary source is not giving you any response.
If you have forms 5/10 with you you can resubmit the form along with form 5 and 10. You can keep a copy of the forms before submitting, just for your future reference. It is advisable to submit form 13 through the new employer, Company C, because the account to which the original transfer claim was to be transferred is also in active now.
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
If you have forms 5/10 with you you can resubmit the form along with form 5 and 10. You can keep a copy of the forms before submitting, just for your future reference. It is advisable to submit form 13 through the new employer, Company C, because the account to which the original transfer claim was to be transferred is also in active now.
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
Dear Bhagyal, You can also approach thru grievance cell of EPFO, It is having a good effect.
From India, New Delhi
From India, New Delhi
Hi Madhu,
Further to the query raised by Sachin Desai related to the responsibilities of employer with regards to employee's previous employer's pf transfer to the current employment, can you guide in EPF website, where it says that Employer's responsibility is completed once submitted the Form 13 to PF Office.
This query raised If an employee raised a claim that "X" has submitted the form to the Company for transfer formalities when X was employed and it not got transferred even after he left the organisation. And Co. is responsible for the same and should compensate the interest part of the amount which was suppose to get as interest from PF
thanks in advance for your valuable inputs.
With regards,
From United Kingdom
Further to the query raised by Sachin Desai related to the responsibilities of employer with regards to employee's previous employer's pf transfer to the current employment, can you guide in EPF website, where it says that Employer's responsibility is completed once submitted the Form 13 to PF Office.
This query raised If an employee raised a claim that "X" has submitted the form to the Company for transfer formalities when X was employed and it not got transferred even after he left the organisation. And Co. is responsible for the same and should compensate the interest part of the amount which was suppose to get as interest from PF
thanks in advance for your valuable inputs.
With regards,
From United Kingdom
Nowhere the responsibilities of present employer with regard to transfer of account is mentioned. But in my post I have stated that as an HR initiative, you should follow up and get the things done.
Now, coming to the your second part of the issue, where is it mentioned that the employer (present) is responsible if the account is not transferred? Again coming to the interest part, who said that an account remaining not claimed nor transferred in the previous account will not get interest? While transferring the account interest is also added. Of course, after 36 months of its becoming non operative, interest will cease to accrue, but by the time, it will get transferred to the new account with interest. And, how is it going to become a responsibility of an employer when the negligence is with the EPF Organisation?
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
Now, coming to the your second part of the issue, where is it mentioned that the employer (present) is responsible if the account is not transferred? Again coming to the interest part, who said that an account remaining not claimed nor transferred in the previous account will not get interest? While transferring the account interest is also added. Of course, after 36 months of its becoming non operative, interest will cease to accrue, but by the time, it will get transferred to the new account with interest. And, how is it going to become a responsibility of an employer when the negligence is with the EPF Organisation?
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
Employer has not transferred PF amount in PF Account. I have left the organization in last year june 2014. Please suggest what to do?
From India, Pune
From India, Pune
This thread was started in 2013 when the system of online transfer was not in existence. Now, with the online portal for transferring PF, you can do it online. You can apply online by visiting Employees Provident Fund Organisation's OTCP (Online Transfer Claim Portal) and submitting the details. here again like that of off line form 13, the form can be sent either through the present employer or through the previous employer. In case of submission of form through previous employer, the time taken for effecting transfer will be less. For online approval, both the employers should have valid digital signature certificates.
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
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