Hi arun
If a guy is stubborn,wont hear anything,not punctual,didnot follow your instruction - Even if he perfoms 100% its always danger for your position and for a company.. So its better to retain the 1st employee. Productivity is not a big matter.. if a person will obey your instruction,punctual,hard worker then automatically the productivity can be increased from 0 - 100%.. So lets decide better and take good action
Regards
Venkatesh
From India, Madras
2If a guy is stubborn,wont hear anything,not punctual,didnot follow your instruction - Even if he perfoms 100% its always danger for your position and for a company.. So its better to retain the 1st employee. Productivity is not a big matter.. if a person will obey your instruction,punctual,hard worker then automatically the productivity can be increased from 0 - 100%.. So lets decide better and take good action
Regards
Venkatesh
From India, Madras
Well The situation is tricky.
What happens if we speak with both employees about the situation that we are going to loose our jobs if we don't perform. I think it is the manager's duty to have a open chat about attitude problems at the first instance and be prepared to loose if he is not going to change. In my experience, most of them fear and change. It would then require a monitoring for a period of time till you are comfortable to allow people to be on their own.
SO to solve the problem here, depends on the manager and not on the two employees. If the manager is good, he must be able to own up the work hire a fresh talent and train to meet productivity. If speed is a problem address it. If attitude is a problem educate, educate and eliminate! At the end of the day. From the organization's perspect, I would remove the manager and get a new one. Delivering with what we have is the job of the manager. Not complaining about the subordinates are having attitude or learning problems.
I quote from one of the blogs that I read regularly from Parkash Iyer:
I believe everyone has greatness inside of them. And we all owe it to ourselves to rise to our peak potential. There are a few quotes that probably sum up my thinking. "If you think you can, you can. If you think you can't, you're right." "If it's to be, it's up to me." "It's never too late to become what you might have been." "Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." "On your deathbed, you could be saying one of two things. I wish I had. Or... I am glad I did." "You don't win a silver. You only lose the gold." "Leaders create leaders. Not followers.
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Best regards
Harsha
From India, Bangalore
What happens if we speak with both employees about the situation that we are going to loose our jobs if we don't perform. I think it is the manager's duty to have a open chat about attitude problems at the first instance and be prepared to loose if he is not going to change. In my experience, most of them fear and change. It would then require a monitoring for a period of time till you are comfortable to allow people to be on their own.
SO to solve the problem here, depends on the manager and not on the two employees. If the manager is good, he must be able to own up the work hire a fresh talent and train to meet productivity. If speed is a problem address it. If attitude is a problem educate, educate and eliminate! At the end of the day. From the organization's perspect, I would remove the manager and get a new one. Delivering with what we have is the job of the manager. Not complaining about the subordinates are having attitude or learning problems.
I quote from one of the blogs that I read regularly from Parkash Iyer:
I believe everyone has greatness inside of them. And we all owe it to ourselves to rise to our peak potential. There are a few quotes that probably sum up my thinking. "If you think you can, you can. If you think you can't, you're right." "If it's to be, it's up to me." "It's never too late to become what you might have been." "Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." "On your deathbed, you could be saying one of two things. I wish I had. Or... I am glad I did." "You don't win a silver. You only lose the gold." "Leaders create leaders. Not followers.
Link is: The Salad Bar: Pig. And Other Games People Play! <link updated to site home> ( Search On Cite | Search On Google )
Best regards
Harsha
From India, Bangalore
One thing u need to understand is - Recession is nt the time for Downsizing on employees. DONT EVER THINK THAT HEAD CUT IS THE BEST WAY FOR COST CUT!!!
Do you know that this is the BEST TIME FOR TRAINING?
How on earth do u want sales to happen when there are no orders? Where can this second guy PERFORM when there is no OR Less work????
You are only thinking abt work taking place - I agree. But at this point, u r cutting on people - becos of less work.
If u need business to stand gud - u need gud people.
And......being in recruitment, I know that the Company hires 80% based on attitude and 20% based on skills. Because a Good company knows the value of what a Good Attitude can hold. This is nt something based on experience alone, but also from discussions with very Senior people who are also involved in hiring Top Talent (CXO levels) as well as junior level recruiters ...
Its sad that companies dont realize that THIS RECESSION IS THE TIME FOR TRAINING. Honey - u dont have business flowing in.. where do u want this guy to dig the Gold from? Concentrate on Training.
Would suggest you read Opportunities first page in the Hindu Wednesday Supplement... Request u to read all that has appeared since DEC 1 2008!!
You will know why reatining the 2nd guy is jus gonna flop the business!
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From India, Madras
Do you know that this is the BEST TIME FOR TRAINING?
How on earth do u want sales to happen when there are no orders? Where can this second guy PERFORM when there is no OR Less work????
You are only thinking abt work taking place - I agree. But at this point, u r cutting on people - becos of less work.
If u need business to stand gud - u need gud people.
And......being in recruitment, I know that the Company hires 80% based on attitude and 20% based on skills. Because a Good company knows the value of what a Good Attitude can hold. This is nt something based on experience alone, but also from discussions with very Senior people who are also involved in hiring Top Talent (CXO levels) as well as junior level recruiters ...
Its sad that companies dont realize that THIS RECESSION IS THE TIME FOR TRAINING. Honey - u dont have business flowing in.. where do u want this guy to dig the Gold from? Concentrate on Training.
Would suggest you read Opportunities first page in the Hindu Wednesday Supplement... Request u to read all that has appeared since DEC 1 2008!!
You will know why reatining the 2nd guy is jus gonna flop the business!
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From India, Madras
"as a HR u hv to improve them and attitude can be change after motivation after training"...
Abhi.....???? u said we hve no time for training and u prefer motivating n trainig for change of attitude...
Sheeesh, thats a waste of time.
I can train on skills... training onm attitude suld have been concentrated at School, home or College.. not at work.
At work - expect to be motivated to get the work done - nt to chaneg the attitude.!!!
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From India, Madras
Abhi.....???? u said we hve no time for training and u prefer motivating n trainig for change of attitude...
Sheeesh, thats a waste of time.
I can train on skills... training onm attitude suld have been concentrated at School, home or College.. not at work.
At work - expect to be motivated to get the work done - nt to chaneg the attitude.!!!
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From India, Madras
@@@DONT EVER THINK THAT HEAD CUT IS THE BEST WAY FOR COST CUT!!!
Condition is given there so we have to discuss on based condition only…..
@@ Do you know that this is the BEST TIME FOR TRAINING?
You mean recession is best time for training where company is looking for the cost cutting…
One side u r doing cost cutting and other side u r expensing the money on training…..
@@ How on earth do u want sales to happen when there are no orders? Where can this second guy PERFORM when there is no OR Less work????
Fisrt sales person is giving 85% and other one is giving 55% wat will hapn with second guy if recession wil be going on..he will not be able to perfom while other one will be definitely perform………may be less wat he performed preiviously ………
Dear think like a business man…..all other thing is philoshy only
@@ And......being in recruitment, I know that the Company hires 80% based on attitude and 20% based on skills.
Hope u r doing like ths…man attitude can be change or correct ..
If u need scientist nd you will look his 80% attitude and 20% skills….how he will able to perform man….attitude and thses are secondry thing while skills is the primary…..
Dear talent never cares abt their attitude and all…..they hv to focus on wrk only…
From India, Pune
Condition is given there so we have to discuss on based condition only…..
@@ Do you know that this is the BEST TIME FOR TRAINING?
You mean recession is best time for training where company is looking for the cost cutting…
One side u r doing cost cutting and other side u r expensing the money on training…..
@@ How on earth do u want sales to happen when there are no orders? Where can this second guy PERFORM when there is no OR Less work????
Fisrt sales person is giving 85% and other one is giving 55% wat will hapn with second guy if recession wil be going on..he will not be able to perfom while other one will be definitely perform………may be less wat he performed preiviously ………
Dear think like a business man…..all other thing is philoshy only
@@ And......being in recruitment, I know that the Company hires 80% based on attitude and 20% based on skills.
Hope u r doing like ths…man attitude can be change or correct ..
If u need scientist nd you will look his 80% attitude and 20% skills….how he will able to perform man….attitude and thses are secondry thing while skills is the primary…..
Dear talent never cares abt their attitude and all…..they hv to focus on wrk only…
From India, Pune
1) Condition is given - that is the ultimate solution of no business. U simply dont go and remove people if business is doing good
2) Havent u heard of Internal Training?
3) Sales dont happen if there is no need for the buyer. At this point, orders have reduced. No matter how hard one tries - people are reluctant to give u orders - (this is how it is linked to teh condition - No Business... so cut on people)
4) Think like a business man - I am saying DONT THINKL - ACT!!
5) I am sorry for you that u have missed on important points in the field of Human Resources. Its simple like this - I can train u on technical skills - but I cannot still change ur attitude abt Recession and why its necessary to hire on attitude.
Understand - the condition here is cost cutting, thru manpower reduction. And this happened only becos of no business.
Even if u r looking at a scientist - u will first of all call him for an interview only based on his research experience. U CALL HIM FOR AN INTERVIEW to chk if his attitude matches ur culture.
Else be prepared to lose!
And please please read abt Recession and suggestion from experts. U will get to know hw training has a major role to play at this time.
Training is nt expensive - if u think so, its ur ignorance.
Again - arguing on this WITH U is a waste of time - coz u know why, I cant change ur ATTITUDE!
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From India, Madras
2) Havent u heard of Internal Training?
3) Sales dont happen if there is no need for the buyer. At this point, orders have reduced. No matter how hard one tries - people are reluctant to give u orders - (this is how it is linked to teh condition - No Business... so cut on people)
4) Think like a business man - I am saying DONT THINKL - ACT!!
5) I am sorry for you that u have missed on important points in the field of Human Resources. Its simple like this - I can train u on technical skills - but I cannot still change ur attitude abt Recession and why its necessary to hire on attitude.
Understand - the condition here is cost cutting, thru manpower reduction. And this happened only becos of no business.
Even if u r looking at a scientist - u will first of all call him for an interview only based on his research experience. U CALL HIM FOR AN INTERVIEW to chk if his attitude matches ur culture.
Else be prepared to lose!
And please please read abt Recession and suggestion from experts. U will get to know hw training has a major role to play at this time.
Training is nt expensive - if u think so, its ur ignorance.
Again - arguing on this WITH U is a waste of time - coz u know why, I cant change ur ATTITUDE!
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From India, Madras
Hi
This is a very good question. According to me , i would hav lay off the first person.
Since its recession, we need higher performance and higher performance is given by the second person. As an HR Manager , i would like my company to grow during recession also.
Supriya
From India, Mumbai
This is a very good question. According to me , i would hav lay off the first person.
Since its recession, we need higher performance and higher performance is given by the second person. As an HR Manager , i would like my company to grow during recession also.
Supriya
From India, Mumbai
I wil go wid Abhi.I wil lay off the 55% performer.B’coz at time of recession companies performance is more imp.nobody can waste time in training and all
From India, Gurgaon
From India, Gurgaon
This is my personal opinion and doesn't relate to any of the situation.
When it comes to Layoffs in the orgs, it’s very likely decisions to be diagonal in nature on the ground that everybody being human, wants to be in comfort zone for most of the time. Very rarely people show the guts to sustain for the long time in uncomfortable zone.
The second fellow being an every time threads for his/her manager will not be the first choice to be retained; from this angle the first will get priority over the other one. Also, since he is able to perform and giving the good results without manger’s advice and instructions- he does not need a manager, which makes a manager role as redundant.
However here in one important point which needs consideration-If you keep on accepting such behavior for the long time- others who are not performing at par will get wrong message.
Hence I would like to conclude if Manager feels he /she can not correct the second fellow; there is no point to retain him.
From India, Bangalore
When it comes to Layoffs in the orgs, it’s very likely decisions to be diagonal in nature on the ground that everybody being human, wants to be in comfort zone for most of the time. Very rarely people show the guts to sustain for the long time in uncomfortable zone.
The second fellow being an every time threads for his/her manager will not be the first choice to be retained; from this angle the first will get priority over the other one. Also, since he is able to perform and giving the good results without manger’s advice and instructions- he does not need a manager, which makes a manager role as redundant.
However here in one important point which needs consideration-If you keep on accepting such behavior for the long time- others who are not performing at par will get wrong message.
Hence I would like to conclude if Manager feels he /she can not correct the second fellow; there is no point to retain him.
From India, Bangalore
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