hello Ash,
I do not appreciate this advise as lady she should work for more than 8 hours a day this is official time and rest of the time is her personal time for family commitments. She should not spend her personal time on the job because she should have social commitment too.
Advising anyone to work morethan 8 hours without remuneration or just to stretch herself to justify that its demand of the job is not correct. Because if that is demand of job then managment must pay price and hire one more HR person to accomodate in time slot.
That is not her problem to spend 10 hours everyday on job. Nothing is free in this world and working does not mean doing charity to employer employer doesnot do any charity by employing HR manager if his business process demand two HR managers then he must hire two HR managers.
We must not promote such exploitation of HR manager to engage him 10 hours working on day to day basis.
Partho
From Saudi Arabia
4I do not appreciate this advise as lady she should work for more than 8 hours a day this is official time and rest of the time is her personal time for family commitments. She should not spend her personal time on the job because she should have social commitment too.
Advising anyone to work morethan 8 hours without remuneration or just to stretch herself to justify that its demand of the job is not correct. Because if that is demand of job then managment must pay price and hire one more HR person to accomodate in time slot.
That is not her problem to spend 10 hours everyday on job. Nothing is free in this world and working does not mean doing charity to employer employer doesnot do any charity by employing HR manager if his business process demand two HR managers then he must hire two HR managers.
We must not promote such exploitation of HR manager to engage him 10 hours working on day to day basis.
Partho
From Saudi Arabia
Oh I am sorry, it was supposed to be 5 hrs in the morning and 3 hrs in the evening. Try dividing your work hours. am sure this will help if they have no intentions of hiring another person.
From India, Madras
From India, Madras
Hi Vineet,
Can you tell me, which are the policies presently applicable in your company?
As you have mentioned there are policies but they are not followed. So if you know the policies and if you have concrete evidence that the policies are not followed, then you can take the issue to management taking all the concerned employees to the issue. You can call project managers as well as employees who know that the rules and regulations are not followed.
Regards,
Prashant
From India, Surat
Can you tell me, which are the policies presently applicable in your company?
As you have mentioned there are policies but they are not followed. So if you know the policies and if you have concrete evidence that the policies are not followed, then you can take the issue to management taking all the concerned employees to the issue. You can call project managers as well as employees who know that the rules and regulations are not followed.
Regards,
Prashant
From India, Surat
Dear Ash,
I am also not convinced with this 5 +3 due to unsocial working hours and hardship that may cause to women.
Her family is derprived of their rights to have company of wife, mother, relatives at home during evening hours.
Regards
Partho
From Saudi Arabia
I am also not convinced with this 5 +3 due to unsocial working hours and hardship that may cause to women.
Her family is derprived of their rights to have company of wife, mother, relatives at home during evening hours.
Regards
Partho
From Saudi Arabia
Hi ,
Do you have policy documented anywhere, on paper or intranet , make all kinds of poilicy which you think you require for the organization. If anybody as brokern the rules inspite of policies existance , you must take action . You must communicate.
Regards,
Rohini
From India, Pune
Do you have policy documented anywhere, on paper or intranet , make all kinds of poilicy which you think you require for the organization. If anybody as brokern the rules inspite of policies existance , you must take action . You must communicate.
Regards,
Rohini
From India, Pune
Partha:
Who said women dont work late? They are not forced, but its their choice.
My first work was a night shift one - starts at 7:00 pm and ends at 3:00 AM. I was happy there for more than a year (Did not work as an HR tho) my HR there was a lady and this was how she adjusted her timings.
See - nothing will cause a harm to this lady if she works a couple of hour extra - atleast on a temp basis - because we need to sort problems (again its left to her to chose or not - not left to you to decide if she should chose or not)
I would have been much happy if you debated to find a solution .. am sad my points are not making u use ur head Partho :icon5:
From India, Madras
Who said women dont work late? They are not forced, but its their choice.
My first work was a night shift one - starts at 7:00 pm and ends at 3:00 AM. I was happy there for more than a year (Did not work as an HR tho) my HR there was a lady and this was how she adjusted her timings.
See - nothing will cause a harm to this lady if she works a couple of hour extra - atleast on a temp basis - because we need to sort problems (again its left to her to chose or not - not left to you to decide if she should chose or not)
I would have been much happy if you debated to find a solution .. am sad my points are not making u use ur head Partho :icon5:
From India, Madras
@Vineet,
As you said no body is reporting to you, then you should persuade the management to hire atleast 1 more HR person to monitor things during night shifts and report to you directly so that you are in thje loop.
In parallel, you should prepare the SOP and make them recognised throughout the org. structure.
Once these two things are in place, take action on that basis starting from one-to-one and CAPs with the "victim" employee and the "accused" project manager.
This will bring the "errant" PMs on track (keeping in mind the professionalism they are showing).
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:!:@Ash Mathew
In theory it may be ok to consider working 5hrs day shift and 3 hrs night shift. But in my opinion, getting to a KPO office from home in any city will take 45 atleast minutes on average. So going and coming twice will take 3 hrs instead of regular 1.5 hrs. This will even increase if there is a cab facility (4 hrs.).
Further, coming back from office in the evening exhausts me to no end (Lol), then think about Mrs. Vineet making it twice.
Regards,
Devashish :lol:.
From United States, Schaumburg
As you said no body is reporting to you, then you should persuade the management to hire atleast 1 more HR person to monitor things during night shifts and report to you directly so that you are in thje loop.
In parallel, you should prepare the SOP and make them recognised throughout the org. structure.
Once these two things are in place, take action on that basis starting from one-to-one and CAPs with the "victim" employee and the "accused" project manager.
This will bring the "errant" PMs on track (keeping in mind the professionalism they are showing).
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:!:@Ash Mathew
In theory it may be ok to consider working 5hrs day shift and 3 hrs night shift. But in my opinion, getting to a KPO office from home in any city will take 45 atleast minutes on average. So going and coming twice will take 3 hrs instead of regular 1.5 hrs. This will even increase if there is a cab facility (4 hrs.).
Further, coming back from office in the evening exhausts me to no end (Lol), then think about Mrs. Vineet making it twice.
Regards,
Devashish :lol:.
From United States, Schaumburg
Twice????
You did not get my views.
Start work post noon!
:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh My God... Now I am laughing!
And Vineet, appreciate if you could read the post from the beginning. And I guess you almost repeated what I mentioned.
From India, Madras
You did not get my views.
Start work post noon!
:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh My God... Now I am laughing!
And Vineet, appreciate if you could read the post from the beginning. And I guess you almost repeated what I mentioned.
From India, Madras
Hi Vineet,
Though every one has given his / her valuable suggestions & i do agree to all of them. However, in addition to the list, i would like to suggest you to have a meeting first with all the tem managers ( one on one ) basis.Make them undersatand the cause & effect relataionship. Do not make them feel they are not the deciding authority but make them understand that any decision should have a positive effect on the organisation 7 the employee as well.
Also when you have one to one basis meeting, try to find out what do they have in mind. then you can formulate the requiste actions.
Guys your thoughts please..........
Regards
Yousuf
From India, Bangalore
Though every one has given his / her valuable suggestions & i do agree to all of them. However, in addition to the list, i would like to suggest you to have a meeting first with all the tem managers ( one on one ) basis.Make them undersatand the cause & effect relataionship. Do not make them feel they are not the deciding authority but make them understand that any decision should have a positive effect on the organisation 7 the employee as well.
Also when you have one to one basis meeting, try to find out what do they have in mind. then you can formulate the requiste actions.
Guys your thoughts please..........
Regards
Yousuf
From India, Bangalore
Hi,If hiring a new person will be an issue, then discuss with your management, interview a few people from the technical team and give responsibility of an HR SPOC for the night shift. The person might get into a 50% technical & 50% HR role and would ensure such bad practices do not take place in the work hours in which you are not available.Regards,Anuradha
From India
From India
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