I am working in a MNC construction company.I am having 27 years experience and having 300 days PL. I applied leave on 30-09-2016 leave from 07-11-2016 to 15-02-2017 for 97 days. Letter issued by project manager that 15 days leave granted and asked me to report on 22-11-2016 now i am in USA in my sons home it will cost more .I requested him by letter but denied by PM my retirement date is 30-03-2018.request to suggest me how to proceed
From United States, Greenville
From United States, Greenville
Dear member,
In your 27-year long career, you have acquired sufficient experience. Therefore, by now you should/could be aware how the things are handled in your company. But then question comes, is the entire time period of 27 years spent in one single company or in different companies. On what basis did you reach to the conclusion that you have 300 days balance PL?
While applying for the long leave, you could have obtained consent from the management. I doubt whether Project Manager can sanction such a long leave. What is permissible in his summary power that he has done. Well before proceeding to USA, you could have put up application for the sanction of long leave, acquired approval and then applied for leave on the strength of this approval. Proceeding abroad, without taking proper approval does not justify your long experience.
You may talk to the MD or Business Head of your company and find out their views. In the meanwhile, find what is expensive - whether to cut short leave and join duties or ask for Leave Without Pay (LWP). You may do the Cost Benefit Analysis (CBA) and take the correct decision.
Thanks,
Dinesh Divekar
From India, Bangalore
7884In your 27-year long career, you have acquired sufficient experience. Therefore, by now you should/could be aware how the things are handled in your company. But then question comes, is the entire time period of 27 years spent in one single company or in different companies. On what basis did you reach to the conclusion that you have 300 days balance PL?
While applying for the long leave, you could have obtained consent from the management. I doubt whether Project Manager can sanction such a long leave. What is permissible in his summary power that he has done. Well before proceeding to USA, you could have put up application for the sanction of long leave, acquired approval and then applied for leave on the strength of this approval. Proceeding abroad, without taking proper approval does not justify your long experience.
You may talk to the MD or Business Head of your company and find out their views. In the meanwhile, find what is expensive - whether to cut short leave and join duties or ask for Leave Without Pay (LWP). You may do the Cost Benefit Analysis (CBA) and take the correct decision.
Thanks,
Dinesh Divekar
From India, Bangalore
Thank you for your reply, Sir.
Yes , 27 years in the same company. My personal leave balance sheet shows 300 leaves as balance.
I have submitted a leave request only after discussion with HOD. He approved and I have the proof of it. However PM didn't approve.
I am seeing such an instance where HOD approved and PM didn't approve for the first time in my career.
The thing is I am asked to resign voluntarily (due to some internal politics) unofficially. Taking such a long leave, even if I choose to go over Loss of pay, which I am ready for..doesn't seem to work. I feel like they are looking for a cause to get rid of me.
From United States, Greenville
Yes , 27 years in the same company. My personal leave balance sheet shows 300 leaves as balance.
I have submitted a leave request only after discussion with HOD. He approved and I have the proof of it. However PM didn't approve.
I am seeing such an instance where HOD approved and PM didn't approve for the first time in my career.
The thing is I am asked to resign voluntarily (due to some internal politics) unofficially. Taking such a long leave, even if I choose to go over Loss of pay, which I am ready for..doesn't seem to work. I feel like they are looking for a cause to get rid of me.
From United States, Greenville
Hello,
Further to what Dinesh Divekar mentioned, what are the Standing Orders in your Company?
Generally, in most large Companies, any long leave [definition of 'long' can vary from Company to Company] is to be availed only AFTER the concerned Functional Head approves......NOT just the HOD.
And in cases where overseas travel on personal grounds is also involved, the Approval process usually has to go further higher.
However, based on what you mentioned about the Company looking for ways to pack you off [whether rightly or not], MAYBE it COULD be for your own good, in the long run? Just give this a thought.
With your experience of 27 yrs in the Construction sector, I am sure you would be able to get another job that are better paying & with higher responsibilities--at YOUR comfort level. More so, with the construction sector in India likely to go up, this is a very viable possibility.
I would suggest that you ensure you get your dues completely & look for other openings--you can sync your efforts with your date of return to India. If they figure-out that you are serious to move out, getting your dues [which I am sure would high, including Gratuity] may be smoother.
I can recollect a Quote by Alexander Graham Bell [the inventor of Telephone]: "When one door closes, HE opens other doors for us; but we so often miss seeing them as we keep staring @ the closed door".
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Further to what Dinesh Divekar mentioned, what are the Standing Orders in your Company?
Generally, in most large Companies, any long leave [definition of 'long' can vary from Company to Company] is to be availed only AFTER the concerned Functional Head approves......NOT just the HOD.
And in cases where overseas travel on personal grounds is also involved, the Approval process usually has to go further higher.
However, based on what you mentioned about the Company looking for ways to pack you off [whether rightly or not], MAYBE it COULD be for your own good, in the long run? Just give this a thought.
With your experience of 27 yrs in the Construction sector, I am sure you would be able to get another job that are better paying & with higher responsibilities--at YOUR comfort level. More so, with the construction sector in India likely to go up, this is a very viable possibility.
I would suggest that you ensure you get your dues completely & look for other openings--you can sync your efforts with your date of return to India. If they figure-out that you are serious to move out, getting your dues [which I am sure would high, including Gratuity] may be smoother.
I can recollect a Quote by Alexander Graham Bell [the inventor of Telephone]: "When one door closes, HE opens other doors for us; but we so often miss seeing them as we keep staring @ the closed door".
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Sateesh,
Good to see you after a long while.
I do not know what is your exposure to the construction industry, nevertheless, things like "Standing Orders" do not matter in this sector. Though grown phenomenally, this sector is yet to acquire that kind of maturity or professionalism. "Thekedar-Munshiji" culture is in their DNA. In many companies, Project Managers are at par with the god. Personal loyalty to PM is mandatory.
The companies in this sector are heavily owner driven. The turnover may reach even thousands of crores but at many companies, it is still one-man show. More than scientific civil engineering practices, owners know well that they grow more because of manipulation and ingratiating the government authorities. The administration style is heavily paternalistic and dissent and agreements are frowned upon. Legal dues of the employees are treated as if these were noblesse oblige. Partially ills of this sector arise because government did not appoint any regulator, the way insurance, airlines, pharma sectors have.
Against this backdrop, the originator of this query should have obtained approval for his leave from the owner of the company and then proceeded abroad. He has written that "he is being asked to resign voluntarily". The statement shows he is no longer in good books of the top boss. Anyway, he still can activate contacts with the top boss and obtain approval for his leave.
Thanks,
Dinesh Divekar
From India, Bangalore
Good to see you after a long while.
I do not know what is your exposure to the construction industry, nevertheless, things like "Standing Orders" do not matter in this sector. Though grown phenomenally, this sector is yet to acquire that kind of maturity or professionalism. "Thekedar-Munshiji" culture is in their DNA. In many companies, Project Managers are at par with the god. Personal loyalty to PM is mandatory.
The companies in this sector are heavily owner driven. The turnover may reach even thousands of crores but at many companies, it is still one-man show. More than scientific civil engineering practices, owners know well that they grow more because of manipulation and ingratiating the government authorities. The administration style is heavily paternalistic and dissent and agreements are frowned upon. Legal dues of the employees are treated as if these were noblesse oblige. Partially ills of this sector arise because government did not appoint any regulator, the way insurance, airlines, pharma sectors have.
Against this backdrop, the originator of this query should have obtained approval for his leave from the owner of the company and then proceeded abroad. He has written that "he is being asked to resign voluntarily". The statement shows he is no longer in good books of the top boss. Anyway, he still can activate contacts with the top boss and obtain approval for his leave.
Thanks,
Dinesh Divekar
From India, Bangalore
Hello Dinesh Divekar,
I too am happy to be back.......but guess it will be in spells until sometime.
Coming to the query raised in this thread, if what you mention is the reality in the construction sector, then my suggestions would, in all probability, be more applicable.
In Organizations where such personal loyalties matter than professional aspects, usually there will be pockets of such loyalty within the same organization....the Owner having his group of loyalists, PM having his own set of cotorie, the HOD having his own small group of loyalists, and so on @ every stage right from the bottom-rung--a very messy environment where professionals would find suffocating.
The only aspect I find strange in the details mentioned by the thread initiator is with 27 yrs stay in the same company, I don't quite understand how come he didn't know the internal wheels within wheels & the wheelers & dealers within the Company.
OR is there more to it than what's been mentioned? I am not sure of this.
Even IF he were to find a way to get to the Owner & get back-dated Approval to his long leave, there's surely no guarantee that the PM wouldn't seek to find other ways to make him leave later on. After all, everyone wouldn't be perfect for an extended period of time.....small mistakes do occur.
In such a scenario, it's better to prove oneself elsewhere than @ the same place......where there are chances that he MAY be put into trouble anytime again [or at least as long as the PM works here].
I would suggest him to focus on exiting smoothly & getting his rightful dues without any hassles AND then move-on in career & life.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
I too am happy to be back.......but guess it will be in spells until sometime.
Coming to the query raised in this thread, if what you mention is the reality in the construction sector, then my suggestions would, in all probability, be more applicable.
In Organizations where such personal loyalties matter than professional aspects, usually there will be pockets of such loyalty within the same organization....the Owner having his group of loyalists, PM having his own set of cotorie, the HOD having his own small group of loyalists, and so on @ every stage right from the bottom-rung--a very messy environment where professionals would find suffocating.
The only aspect I find strange in the details mentioned by the thread initiator is with 27 yrs stay in the same company, I don't quite understand how come he didn't know the internal wheels within wheels & the wheelers & dealers within the Company.
OR is there more to it than what's been mentioned? I am not sure of this.
Even IF he were to find a way to get to the Owner & get back-dated Approval to his long leave, there's surely no guarantee that the PM wouldn't seek to find other ways to make him leave later on. After all, everyone wouldn't be perfect for an extended period of time.....small mistakes do occur.
In such a scenario, it's better to prove oneself elsewhere than @ the same place......where there are chances that he MAY be put into trouble anytime again [or at least as long as the PM works here].
I would suggest him to focus on exiting smoothly & getting his rightful dues without any hassles AND then move-on in career & life.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Hi, Check the leave policy regarding maximum leave you can take in an year. If you don't have written approval of leave, then its better it join back. Check with your HR Department. Usually, companies does not allow employees to take the entire leave balance at one go. In case they are not accepting your request for LOP/ extension of leave, submit resignation or join back. As you said, if it is a politically motivated move, they will anyhow find ways to send you out. Having such a rich experience in that company it is better to move out smoothly and find a better opportunity.
From India, Hyderabad
From India, Hyderabad
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