Hi Guys,
I thought of starting a discussion like Why HR people are paying less in the companies when the guy joins the company the package may be around 8k
once he gets experience say 2 years then he may get 12k but not beyond that
why this happening?
sri..
From India, Bangalore
5I thought of starting a discussion like Why HR people are paying less in the companies when the guy joins the company the package may be around 8k
once he gets experience say 2 years then he may get 12k but not beyond that
why this happening?
sri..
From India, Bangalore
Hi Sridevi:
First please be clear of what you mean to ask ? "It should be Why HR people are getting paid less ?"
Your question seems to understand people in another way.
Coming back to your que, I think it is all because of the market recession. Now market is freeze with the hiring. As you might have heard about the news that On campus recruited candidates are kept on hold because of limited projects coming in. They are almost on hold for an year. If these THEchies are only not required to play significant role in the IT industry then what is the use of HR being there. And now a days everything has become so automated that there is no work for HR to do manually.
In big Companies, they generate high revenues that they are able to pay HRs in 4-5 digits. But in smaller companies say growing companies they are not.
This is what my perception.
Seniors please guide if I am wrong !!
Thanks.
From India, Pune
First please be clear of what you mean to ask ? "It should be Why HR people are getting paid less ?"
Your question seems to understand people in another way.
Coming back to your que, I think it is all because of the market recession. Now market is freeze with the hiring. As you might have heard about the news that On campus recruited candidates are kept on hold because of limited projects coming in. They are almost on hold for an year. If these THEchies are only not required to play significant role in the IT industry then what is the use of HR being there. And now a days everything has become so automated that there is no work for HR to do manually.
In big Companies, they generate high revenues that they are able to pay HRs in 4-5 digits. But in smaller companies say growing companies they are not.
This is what my perception.
Seniors please guide if I am wrong !!
Thanks.
From India, Pune
HI kankare,
Iam sorry my question was Why HR people are paid less in the company with the basic of 8k, 10k, 15k, but not beyond that.
Iam asking in general like the minimum they paid ranges from 8k to 15 k
From India, Bangalore
Iam sorry my question was Why HR people are paid less in the company with the basic of 8k, 10k, 15k, but not beyond that.
Iam asking in general like the minimum they paid ranges from 8k to 15 k
From India, Bangalore
Dear Sridevi
I do agree the point that you had raised.
Many organisation as mid & small level organisations and family run companies still feel that HR is not at the productive side. Once that trend changes then only HR personnel will be treated at par with other staff.
From India, Bangalore
I do agree the point that you had raised.
Many organisation as mid & small level organisations and family run companies still feel that HR is not at the productive side. Once that trend changes then only HR personnel will be treated at par with other staff.
From India, Bangalore
Dear jeevarathnam,
You are absolutely right. HR is the person who struggles a lot to get fetch and get candidates outside, but at the end there is no job satisfaction for him/her in salary.
It happens both in small and large firms as you Said
The People from other background who joins as a Fresher wil draw a starting salary itself as 10,000/- and they get good growth in salary part
but the person with HR Background even if he/she done MBA wil be paid very less.
From India, Bangalore
You are absolutely right. HR is the person who struggles a lot to get fetch and get candidates outside, but at the end there is no job satisfaction for him/her in salary.
It happens both in small and large firms as you Said
The People from other background who joins as a Fresher wil draw a starting salary itself as 10,000/- and they get good growth in salary part
but the person with HR Background even if he/she done MBA wil be paid very less.
From India, Bangalore
Dear all,
I would like to add to the discussion with this...
If the only concern is about lesser basic pay, but having good ctc, i think it's designed to save tax by routing your money under non-taxable allowances...
However, if you mean to say lesser gross, there can be many reasons -
1. Start-ups or mid-developed firms don't understand the importance of HR
2. It would also depend on the qualification, I have seen many B.Com handling HR (no offense but they can't expect to get paid at par with MBAs)
3. Skills that you bring onboard (Just having degrees don't help. Just scoring 90% marks don't help. I personally know of cases where because of exceptionally well CV and good marks, the person was hired at X ctc however on joining when the company realised the person lacks significant skills, the ctc was lowered to Y. and this is an MNC)
We do demand, we do compare the average salary, but we fail to compare the skills required for that position, the qualification, experience level of people in that position on average.
We go on asking people what is your salary failing to address other concerns.
I know MBAs being underpaid where as plain graduates (who have just passed) being paid higher - and yes there's a little tweak to it. Usually private firms do have what most corparates practice - salary mapping where they have same or similar salaries for people at similar positions.
From India, Mumbai
I would like to add to the discussion with this...
If the only concern is about lesser basic pay, but having good ctc, i think it's designed to save tax by routing your money under non-taxable allowances...
However, if you mean to say lesser gross, there can be many reasons -
1. Start-ups or mid-developed firms don't understand the importance of HR
2. It would also depend on the qualification, I have seen many B.Com handling HR (no offense but they can't expect to get paid at par with MBAs)
3. Skills that you bring onboard (Just having degrees don't help. Just scoring 90% marks don't help. I personally know of cases where because of exceptionally well CV and good marks, the person was hired at X ctc however on joining when the company realised the person lacks significant skills, the ctc was lowered to Y. and this is an MNC)
We do demand, we do compare the average salary, but we fail to compare the skills required for that position, the qualification, experience level of people in that position on average.
We go on asking people what is your salary failing to address other concerns.
I know MBAs being underpaid where as plain graduates (who have just passed) being paid higher - and yes there's a little tweak to it. Usually private firms do have what most corparates practice - salary mapping where they have same or similar salaries for people at similar positions.
From India, Mumbai
Dear Members,
Even i am also facing the same issue, in fact i am so dishearted & feel many a times that , why do i have wasted lakhs of money of my parents for doing MBA. Which is really not worth of doing at least for me. facing the same salary issues & i believe the kind of salary offers i get at today's date , which is quite possible of getting in fact with out doing MBA.
Sometime its really very insulting as well as demotivated kind of feeling when it doesn't make any differences for the company that whether you are a MBA or A graduate.
So i really believe something should be definitely required to be done in this case.
I do agree for getting better pay individuals capability is also matter, but it is also the accepted fact that the starting slab for HR salary is itself very low.
Regards,
Meenu
From India, Mumbai
Even i am also facing the same issue, in fact i am so dishearted & feel many a times that , why do i have wasted lakhs of money of my parents for doing MBA. Which is really not worth of doing at least for me. facing the same salary issues & i believe the kind of salary offers i get at today's date , which is quite possible of getting in fact with out doing MBA.
Sometime its really very insulting as well as demotivated kind of feeling when it doesn't make any differences for the company that whether you are a MBA or A graduate.
So i really believe something should be definitely required to be done in this case.
I do agree for getting better pay individuals capability is also matter, but it is also the accepted fact that the starting slab for HR salary is itself very low.
Regards,
Meenu
From India, Mumbai
I am sorry but, I want to give this topic a different look.
Well, I don't understand why you people are regretting for doing MBA and getting paid less. I mean look at the knowledge level. Though the graduates are paid high but they cannot compete with what the knowledge we - the MBA's have, I believe.
I don't know about the other streams, but in HR I have learnt so many things in college which i haven't learn in my graduation.
Though I am paid less, but I am very happy that I did my MBA and able to learn and get tuned to the things fast in corporate world. I mean look at the positive side of it. Today, I am identified as a leaner in the Management's eyes and I am. And I will take advantage of it and learn to my best levels. Later, few years down the line I will just deliver and get paid very high....
"A person may die after 100 years, but the learning for him never ends even if he is 100+....."
This is what i believe and always keep in my mind.
Yes I also agree everyone has their own value and importance for Salary..
Thanks.
From India, Pune
Well, I don't understand why you people are regretting for doing MBA and getting paid less. I mean look at the knowledge level. Though the graduates are paid high but they cannot compete with what the knowledge we - the MBA's have, I believe.
I don't know about the other streams, but in HR I have learnt so many things in college which i haven't learn in my graduation.
Though I am paid less, but I am very happy that I did my MBA and able to learn and get tuned to the things fast in corporate world. I mean look at the positive side of it. Today, I am identified as a leaner in the Management's eyes and I am. And I will take advantage of it and learn to my best levels. Later, few years down the line I will just deliver and get paid very high....
"A person may die after 100 years, but the learning for him never ends even if he is 100+....."
This is what i believe and always keep in my mind.
Yes I also agree everyone has their own value and importance for Salary..
Thanks.
From India, Pune
I was not aware really that MBA are getting less than a graduate
I think you are comparing a fresh MBA with an experienced graduate.
Actually, doing an MBA course is of no meaning, specially if done from one of the Grade A colleges. Employers know that the MBA know nothing and are completely useless when they come in as a fresher. The only thing they get with them is an oversized ego based on their degree. So, yes, they would not be paying a premium for them.
Again, what is the use of MBA in an HR situation ? That have you learned that a good graduate has not learned ? or someone doing a diploma on HR. There are few worthwhile MBA courses on HR that imparts some knowledge.
On the other hand, IR, is an area where huge demand exists and employers are looking desparately for people with the right skill-set to fill the job. Again I do not see what MBA is going to add in IR as mostly they dont even learn how to deal with common work force during their MBA courses.
In any case, you have no option but to work at a lower starting salary and then prove your self and move on. There are companies that value MBA and are willing to pay if they think you are the right fit. FYI, i know someone working for a large engineering factory who has a 2 lakhs per annum starting salary fresh out of MBA course. That is not a bad amount as such for someone who is not for the top college.
I dont see why basic will matter. Its the take home or perhaps the CTC that will count really.
From India, Mumbai
I think you are comparing a fresh MBA with an experienced graduate.
Actually, doing an MBA course is of no meaning, specially if done from one of the Grade A colleges. Employers know that the MBA know nothing and are completely useless when they come in as a fresher. The only thing they get with them is an oversized ego based on their degree. So, yes, they would not be paying a premium for them.
Again, what is the use of MBA in an HR situation ? That have you learned that a good graduate has not learned ? or someone doing a diploma on HR. There are few worthwhile MBA courses on HR that imparts some knowledge.
On the other hand, IR, is an area where huge demand exists and employers are looking desparately for people with the right skill-set to fill the job. Again I do not see what MBA is going to add in IR as mostly they dont even learn how to deal with common work force during their MBA courses.
In any case, you have no option but to work at a lower starting salary and then prove your self and move on. There are companies that value MBA and are willing to pay if they think you are the right fit. FYI, i know someone working for a large engineering factory who has a 2 lakhs per annum starting salary fresh out of MBA course. That is not a bad amount as such for someone who is not for the top college.
I dont see why basic will matter. Its the take home or perhaps the CTC that will count really.
From India, Mumbai
Saswata Sir is right,
Basically we actually forget all about Labor laws. IR, and related things - the focus has shifted...
Few people want to be taking up IR / Labor Laws coz it means dealing with labors (many people link it to their ego perhaps)
But the real fun, the real growth and the real challenge is there...
Designing employee engagement and fun activities is fun, required, but there are different things on the floor.
Let's not stretch it to the manufacturing units, let's simply talk of the retail store... the HR there has a very very different role to play. We can't have same role, same function for all industry or for all levels...
If we accept this fact, have the right skills and attitude, are willing to bring in positive change in the current system, contribute to the company by engaging the workforce, be impartial to the workforce (especially required when working with labors as many are unaware of their rights or statutory norms) that is when we emerge as successful HR...
We so conviniently say IR has changed to HR.... perhaps to boost the ego, but we actually fail to relate to the labor section who still exists everywhere as there are manufacturing firms.... There's just so much to HR and so little are we able to learn in our life...
From India, Mumbai
Basically we actually forget all about Labor laws. IR, and related things - the focus has shifted...
Few people want to be taking up IR / Labor Laws coz it means dealing with labors (many people link it to their ego perhaps)
But the real fun, the real growth and the real challenge is there...
Designing employee engagement and fun activities is fun, required, but there are different things on the floor.
Let's not stretch it to the manufacturing units, let's simply talk of the retail store... the HR there has a very very different role to play. We can't have same role, same function for all industry or for all levels...
If we accept this fact, have the right skills and attitude, are willing to bring in positive change in the current system, contribute to the company by engaging the workforce, be impartial to the workforce (especially required when working with labors as many are unaware of their rights or statutory norms) that is when we emerge as successful HR...
We so conviniently say IR has changed to HR.... perhaps to boost the ego, but we actually fail to relate to the labor section who still exists everywhere as there are manufacturing firms.... There's just so much to HR and so little are we able to learn in our life...
From India, Mumbai
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