Hi all :
I have recently joined the Organisation and head the HR.
We have a HR Executive whose qualifications is LLB and has provided a copy of the marks sheet from a northern University which is available in his personal file. He had joined the Organisation about 1.5 yrs than me.
In his correspondence both internal and external, I have never come across any legal word even by mistake.
Even for a simple letter directing an unauthorised employee to report back for duty immediately and offer a written explanation, his draft was bad which had to be corrected.
This leaves me with a great doubt - and hope I am wrong - whether he has really passed his LLB examination or not and whether the qualification certificate is a genuine one or not.
He being the HR Executive, and also having been in the Organisation earlier to me, I am not able to question him about the authenticity of the certificate which I am afraid will not be liked by the Management also.
Under such circumstances, pls help me as to how I can make sure that the educational qualifications of employees are genuine ones especially the one I had referred above of the HR Exec.
Rgds
:: Dhinakaran
From India, Hyderabad
4I have recently joined the Organisation and head the HR.
We have a HR Executive whose qualifications is LLB and has provided a copy of the marks sheet from a northern University which is available in his personal file. He had joined the Organisation about 1.5 yrs than me.
In his correspondence both internal and external, I have never come across any legal word even by mistake.
Even for a simple letter directing an unauthorised employee to report back for duty immediately and offer a written explanation, his draft was bad which had to be corrected.
This leaves me with a great doubt - and hope I am wrong - whether he has really passed his LLB examination or not and whether the qualification certificate is a genuine one or not.
He being the HR Executive, and also having been in the Organisation earlier to me, I am not able to question him about the authenticity of the certificate which I am afraid will not be liked by the Management also.
Under such circumstances, pls help me as to how I can make sure that the educational qualifications of employees are genuine ones especially the one I had referred above of the HR Exec.
Rgds
:: Dhinakaran
From India, Hyderabad
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Hi, Please get the copy of the degree and send it to registrar for verification, they will return back by post with verification stamp. Regards Tareen
From China
From China
Dear Tareen :
Thks for the suggestion, but I feel that it will be time consuming and cannot be dealt in confidentiality.
Also, I wonder if the Registrar's offices will be able to comply to our request just be a correspondence from the Organisation with regard to the geneuninity of the certificates.
Pls comment
Rgds
:: Dhinakaran
From India, Hyderabad
Thks for the suggestion, but I feel that it will be time consuming and cannot be dealt in confidentiality.
Also, I wonder if the Registrar's offices will be able to comply to our request just be a correspondence from the Organisation with regard to the geneuninity of the certificates.
Pls comment
Rgds
:: Dhinakaran
From India, Hyderabad
IT IS NOT NECESSARY THAT, IF U PASSED LLB THEN YOUR DRAFTING SHOULD BE VERY GOOD.. IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT AFTER DOING HIS LLB HE DIRECTLY JOINED THE CO. AND DIDN'T PRACTICE BUT U MENTIONED THAT IT WAS TOO BAD THEN IT IS A SERIOUS MATTER BECUZ A LLB & HAVING IN HR HE SHOULD BE WELL VERSED IN CORRESPONDENCE.. U CAN SEE HIS CERTIFICATE AND CAN VERIFY FROM THE COLLEGE...OR U CAN ASK HIM SOME LAW RELATED QUESTIONS WHICH IS COMMON FOR A LLB STUDENT.. AFTER ASKING U CAN MAKE AN IDEA...
REGARDS
MANISH
From India, Delhi
REGARDS
MANISH
From India, Delhi
Dear Dinakaran,
This is the only way u can get the genuinitity, college or university registrar can verify that the certificate is geniun, no matter how long it takes.
Issue a memorandum and inform the employees that from onward every documents will be verified by the department.
For future add one clue in the application form, mentioning that IF ANY INFORMATION FOUND FALSE, Services will be terminated with immediate effect.
From China
This is the only way u can get the genuinitity, college or university registrar can verify that the certificate is geniun, no matter how long it takes.
Issue a memorandum and inform the employees that from onward every documents will be verified by the department.
For future add one clue in the application form, mentioning that IF ANY INFORMATION FOUND FALSE, Services will be terminated with immediate effect.
From China
Dear Manisha :
Thks for ur comments.
The point I would like to make is, having passed LLB exam, in the correspondence, a bit scent of legal words has to be there - which is missing in our Person.
Also, matters relating to disciplinary actions, the involvement of him advising legal consequences is also missing.
Hence the question of verfication of the certificates has risen in my mind.
Shall look into the possibilities of contacting the registrar and shall keep all informed of the results, just for info.
Rgds
:: Dhinakaran
From India, Hyderabad
Thks for ur comments.
The point I would like to make is, having passed LLB exam, in the correspondence, a bit scent of legal words has to be there - which is missing in our Person.
Also, matters relating to disciplinary actions, the involvement of him advising legal consequences is also missing.
Hence the question of verfication of the certificates has risen in my mind.
Shall look into the possibilities of contacting the registrar and shall keep all informed of the results, just for info.
Rgds
:: Dhinakaran
From India, Hyderabad
I think it is right for you to chech the authenticity of the certificate. It is obligatory that the register certifies the certicficates from his or her
university.You can inform the registrar to treat the information confidential. Indeed verification of authenticity of certificates are normal HR procedure and you do not have anything to fear.
However you also appreciate that if the vertificate is fake then the employee would have contact to intercept any correspondence in respect of his certificate
Good luck
Paa Kow
From Ghana, Kumasi
university.You can inform the registrar to treat the information confidential. Indeed verification of authenticity of certificates are normal HR procedure and you do not have anything to fear.
However you also appreciate that if the vertificate is fake then the employee would have contact to intercept any correspondence in respect of his certificate
Good luck
Paa Kow
From Ghana, Kumasi
Hi all,
I have recently joined the organization and head the HR department.
We have an HR Executive whose qualification is LLB and has provided a copy of the mark sheet from a northern University, which is available in his personal file. He had joined the organization about 1.5 years before me.
In his correspondence, both internal and external, I have never come across any legal terminology, not even by mistake. Even for a simple letter directing an unauthorized employee to report back for duty immediately and offer a written explanation, his draft was poor, requiring correction.
This situation leaves me with serious doubts - and I hope I am mistaken - regarding whether he has actually passed his LLB examination and whether the qualification certificate is genuine.
Given his position as the HR Executive and having been with the organization prior to my arrival, I find it challenging to question him about the authenticity of his certificate, as I fear the management may not appreciate such inquiries.
Under these circumstances, please advise me on how I can ensure the educational qualifications of employees are legitimate, especially in the case of the HR Executive I mentioned earlier.
Best regards,
Dhinakaran
If you observe the posts made by many members on citehr, you will notice their requests for help, etc.
Their English language skills are quite poor, yet they introduce themselves as HR Managers, Senior HR Executives, and so on.
If a HR Manager or Senior HR Executive, especially on citehr, struggles with basic drafting skills, it raises concerns about their job performance.
And you, like a police officer, doubting the integrity of an HR Executive, especially within your own organization, who is also your colleague, is deeply concerning to me.
I am truly disappointed by this.
You must understand that many students juggle work and studies throughout the year, and during exams, they might focus solely on passing without retaining all the information afterward.
Drafting legal letters comes with experience, not just from studying LLB.
In my organization, I work closely with our Admn-Legal Head and our Advocate. I study their letters closely, and when I draft any correspondence, I refer to their work for guidance, especially for legal terminology.
Thank you.
From India, Pune
I have recently joined the organization and head the HR department.
We have an HR Executive whose qualification is LLB and has provided a copy of the mark sheet from a northern University, which is available in his personal file. He had joined the organization about 1.5 years before me.
In his correspondence, both internal and external, I have never come across any legal terminology, not even by mistake. Even for a simple letter directing an unauthorized employee to report back for duty immediately and offer a written explanation, his draft was poor, requiring correction.
This situation leaves me with serious doubts - and I hope I am mistaken - regarding whether he has actually passed his LLB examination and whether the qualification certificate is genuine.
Given his position as the HR Executive and having been with the organization prior to my arrival, I find it challenging to question him about the authenticity of his certificate, as I fear the management may not appreciate such inquiries.
Under these circumstances, please advise me on how I can ensure the educational qualifications of employees are legitimate, especially in the case of the HR Executive I mentioned earlier.
Best regards,
Dhinakaran
If you observe the posts made by many members on citehr, you will notice their requests for help, etc.
Their English language skills are quite poor, yet they introduce themselves as HR Managers, Senior HR Executives, and so on.
If a HR Manager or Senior HR Executive, especially on citehr, struggles with basic drafting skills, it raises concerns about their job performance.
And you, like a police officer, doubting the integrity of an HR Executive, especially within your own organization, who is also your colleague, is deeply concerning to me.
I am truly disappointed by this.
You must understand that many students juggle work and studies throughout the year, and during exams, they might focus solely on passing without retaining all the information afterward.
Drafting legal letters comes with experience, not just from studying LLB.
In my organization, I work closely with our Admn-Legal Head and our Advocate. I study their letters closely, and when I draft any correspondence, I refer to their work for guidance, especially for legal terminology.
Thank you.
From India, Pune
Dear Manisha,
Thank you for your comments. The point I would like to make is that, having passed the LLB exam, there should be a slight scent of legal terminology in our correspondence, which seems to be missing in our person. Furthermore, in matters related to disciplinary actions, his involvement in advising on legal consequences is also absent. This has raised questions in my mind regarding the verification of his certificates. I will explore the possibilities of contacting the registrar and will keep everyone informed of the results, just for information.
What legal advice do you expect from your person if he is not trained or has never worked in a legal capacity? As HR, why not consider training him and assuming that his LLB certificate is genuine? Your current mindset seems to lean towards verifying his certificate and potentially terminating his employment. HR's role should involve training and developing individuals. Look for qualities beyond legal expertise in this person. Avoid fixating on the legal aspect and initiating termination procedures.
I believe it is unethical to verify certificates of existing employees; typically, certificate verification is done for new candidates. It is not in the organization's best interest and is not a recommended practice.
Best regards,
Dhinakaran
From India, Pune
Thank you for your comments. The point I would like to make is that, having passed the LLB exam, there should be a slight scent of legal terminology in our correspondence, which seems to be missing in our person. Furthermore, in matters related to disciplinary actions, his involvement in advising on legal consequences is also absent. This has raised questions in my mind regarding the verification of his certificates. I will explore the possibilities of contacting the registrar and will keep everyone informed of the results, just for information.
What legal advice do you expect from your person if he is not trained or has never worked in a legal capacity? As HR, why not consider training him and assuming that his LLB certificate is genuine? Your current mindset seems to lean towards verifying his certificate and potentially terminating his employment. HR's role should involve training and developing individuals. Look for qualities beyond legal expertise in this person. Avoid fixating on the legal aspect and initiating termination procedures.
I believe it is unethical to verify certificates of existing employees; typically, certificate verification is done for new candidates. It is not in the organization's best interest and is not a recommended practice.
Best regards,
Dhinakaran
From India, Pune
Dear All,
Taking fake degrees has become very simple nowadays. Even if someone enrolls for a genuine degree and completes the course within the specified duration, the University or Institute may provide a fake educational certificate. The candidate may not be aware of this because there are many fraudulent institutes in the educational field. These institutes do not have affiliation with the University but manage to get the education completed through the relevant University. Sometimes, even the University is not aware of these institutes. If you genuinely want to verify educational documents with the University, there is a specific process for each University. Please reach out to them, and they will provide information about the verification process.
Thank you,
Raju
From India, undefined
Taking fake degrees has become very simple nowadays. Even if someone enrolls for a genuine degree and completes the course within the specified duration, the University or Institute may provide a fake educational certificate. The candidate may not be aware of this because there are many fraudulent institutes in the educational field. These institutes do not have affiliation with the University but manage to get the education completed through the relevant University. Sometimes, even the University is not aware of these institutes. If you genuinely want to verify educational documents with the University, there is a specific process for each University. Please reach out to them, and they will provide information about the verification process.
Thank you,
Raju
From India, undefined
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