Hello Ash,
I do not appreciate this advice. As a lady, she should work for more than 8 hours a day; this is official time, and the rest of the time is her personal time for family commitments. She should not spend her personal time on the job because she should have social commitments too. Advising anyone to work more than 8 hours without remuneration or just to stretch herself to justify that it's the demand of the job is not correct. If that is the demand of the job, then management must pay the price and hire one more HR person to accommodate in the time slot. It is not her problem to spend 10 hours every day on the job. Nothing is free in this world, and working does not mean doing charity to the employer. The employer does not do any charity by employing an HR manager. If his business process demands two HR managers, then he must hire two HR managers. We must not promote such exploitation of an HR manager to engage him for 10 hours working on a day-to-day basis.
Partho
Hi, If they have no intentions of hiring a new person under you - why don't you work 7 hrs in the morning shift and 3 hrs in the evening shift? May serve the purpose. Management will also be happy :-) that you are thinking of effective solutions!
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5I do not appreciate this advice. As a lady, she should work for more than 8 hours a day; this is official time, and the rest of the time is her personal time for family commitments. She should not spend her personal time on the job because she should have social commitments too. Advising anyone to work more than 8 hours without remuneration or just to stretch herself to justify that it's the demand of the job is not correct. If that is the demand of the job, then management must pay the price and hire one more HR person to accommodate in the time slot. It is not her problem to spend 10 hours every day on the job. Nothing is free in this world, and working does not mean doing charity to the employer. The employer does not do any charity by employing an HR manager. If his business process demands two HR managers, then he must hire two HR managers. We must not promote such exploitation of an HR manager to engage him for 10 hours working on a day-to-day basis.
Partho
Hi, If they have no intentions of hiring a new person under you - why don't you work 7 hrs in the morning shift and 3 hrs in the evening shift? May serve the purpose. Management will also be happy :-) that you are thinking of effective solutions!
From Saudi Arabia
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Oh I am sorry, it was supposed to be 5 hrs in the morning and 3 hrs in the evening. Try dividing your work hours. am sure this will help if they have no intentions of hiring another person.
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Hi Vineet,
Can you tell me which policies are presently applicable in your company? As you have mentioned that there are policies, but they are not being followed. If you know the policies and have concrete evidence that they are not being followed, you can raise the issue with management, involving all the concerned employees. You can also involve project managers and employees who are aware that the rules and regulations are not being adhered to.
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Prashant
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Can you tell me which policies are presently applicable in your company? As you have mentioned that there are policies, but they are not being followed. If you know the policies and have concrete evidence that they are not being followed, you can raise the issue with management, involving all the concerned employees. You can also involve project managers and employees who are aware that the rules and regulations are not being adhered to.
Regards,
Prashant
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Dear Ash,
I am also not convinced with this 5 + 3 due to unsocial working hours and the hardship that it may cause to women. Her family is deprived of their rights to have the company of a wife, mother, and relatives at home during evening hours.
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Partho
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I am also not convinced with this 5 + 3 due to unsocial working hours and the hardship that it may cause to women. Her family is deprived of their rights to have the company of a wife, mother, and relatives at home during evening hours.
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Partho
From Saudi Arabia
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Hi,
Do you have policies documented anywhere, on paper or intranet? Create all the necessary policies you believe are required for the organization. If anyone has broken the rules despite the existence of policies, you must take action. Communication is key.
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Rohini
From India, Pune
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Do you have policies documented anywhere, on paper or intranet? Create all the necessary policies you believe are required for the organization. If anyone has broken the rules despite the existence of policies, you must take action. Communication is key.
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Rohini
From India, Pune
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Partha:
Who said women don't work late? They are not forced, but it's their choice. My first job was a night shift one - starts at 7:00 pm and ends at 3:00 AM. I was happy there for more than a year (Did not work as an HR though). My HR there was a lady, and this was how she adjusted her timings.
See, nothing will cause harm to this lady if she works a couple of hours extra - at least on a temporary basis - because we need to sort problems (again, it's left to her to choose or not - not left to you to decide if she should choose or not). I would have been much happier if you debated to find a solution. I am sad my points are not making you use your head, Partho.
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Who said women don't work late? They are not forced, but it's their choice. My first job was a night shift one - starts at 7:00 pm and ends at 3:00 AM. I was happy there for more than a year (Did not work as an HR though). My HR there was a lady, and this was how she adjusted her timings.
See, nothing will cause harm to this lady if she works a couple of hours extra - at least on a temporary basis - because we need to sort problems (again, it's left to her to choose or not - not left to you to decide if she should choose or not). I would have been much happier if you debated to find a solution. I am sad my points are not making you use your head, Partho.
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@Vineet,
As you said nobody is reporting to you, then you should persuade the management to hire at least 1 more HR person to monitor things during night shifts and report to you directly so that you are in the loop. In parallel, you should prepare the SOP and make them recognized throughout the org. structure.
Once these two things are in place, take action on that basis starting from one-to-one and CAPs with the "victim" employee and the "accused" project manager.
This will bring the "errant" PMs on track (keeping in mind the professionalism they are showing).
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@Ash Mathew
In theory, it may be okay to consider working 5 hours day shift and 3 hours night shift. But in my opinion, getting to a KPO office from home in any city will take at least 45 minutes on average. So going and coming twice will take 3 hours instead of a regular 1.5 hours. This will even increase if there is a cab facility (4 hrs.).
Further, coming back from the office in the evening exhausts me to no end (Lol), then think about Mrs. Vineet making it twice.
Regards,
Devashish :lol:.
From United States, Schaumburg
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As you said nobody is reporting to you, then you should persuade the management to hire at least 1 more HR person to monitor things during night shifts and report to you directly so that you are in the loop. In parallel, you should prepare the SOP and make them recognized throughout the org. structure.
Once these two things are in place, take action on that basis starting from one-to-one and CAPs with the "victim" employee and the "accused" project manager.
This will bring the "errant" PMs on track (keeping in mind the professionalism they are showing).
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@Ash Mathew
In theory, it may be okay to consider working 5 hours day shift and 3 hours night shift. But in my opinion, getting to a KPO office from home in any city will take at least 45 minutes on average. So going and coming twice will take 3 hours instead of a regular 1.5 hours. This will even increase if there is a cab facility (4 hrs.).
Further, coming back from the office in the evening exhausts me to no end (Lol), then think about Mrs. Vineet making it twice.
Regards,
Devashish :lol:.
From United States, Schaumburg
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Twice????
You did not get my views. Start work post-noon! 😂😂😂 Oh my God... Now I am laughing! And Vineet, I would appreciate it if you could read the post from the beginning. I guess you almost repeated what I mentioned.
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You did not get my views. Start work post-noon! 😂😂😂 Oh my God... Now I am laughing! And Vineet, I would appreciate it if you could read the post from the beginning. I guess you almost repeated what I mentioned.
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Hi Vineet,
Though everyone has given their valuable suggestions, and I do agree with all of them. However, in addition to the list, I would like to suggest having a meeting first with all the team managers on a one-on-one basis. Make them understand the cause and effect relationship. Do not make them feel they are not the deciding authority, but help them understand that any decision should have a positive effect on the organization and the employees as well.
Also, during the one-on-one meetings, try to find out what they have in mind. Then, you can formulate the requisite actions.
Guys, what are your thoughts on this?
Regards,
Yousuf
From India, Bangalore
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Though everyone has given their valuable suggestions, and I do agree with all of them. However, in addition to the list, I would like to suggest having a meeting first with all the team managers on a one-on-one basis. Make them understand the cause and effect relationship. Do not make them feel they are not the deciding authority, but help them understand that any decision should have a positive effect on the organization and the employees as well.
Also, during the one-on-one meetings, try to find out what they have in mind. Then, you can formulate the requisite actions.
Guys, what are your thoughts on this?
Regards,
Yousuf
From India, Bangalore
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Hi, if hiring a new person will be an issue, then discuss with your management, interview a few people from the technical team, and give responsibility to an HR SPOC for the night shift. The person might have a 50% technical and 50% HR role and would ensure that such bad practices do not take place during the hours in which you are not available.
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Anuradha
From India
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Anuradha
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