I have recently joined a traditional manufacturing organization. In this organization, there are no HR and Admin policies. I have been asked to prepare HR policies, Admin policies, ISO documentation, KRAs, give presentations on training sessions, as well as handle all HR letters and administrative activities such as AMC, booking, and providing general information as required for the top 6 executives.
I am ready to perform all the functions. However, the company does not provide internet facilities. I am certain that without internet access, I will be handicapped, and my performance will be severely affected. In this knowledge era, how can we function effectively without the use of the internet? I have tried my best to convince them, but unfortunately, with no positive outcome.
Therefore, I am considering resigning. Please advise.
Kind Regards,
Suresh Ram
From India, Mumbai
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I am ready to perform all the functions. However, the company does not provide internet facilities. I am certain that without internet access, I will be handicapped, and my performance will be severely affected. In this knowledge era, how can we function effectively without the use of the internet? I have tried my best to convince them, but unfortunately, with no positive outcome.
Therefore, I am considering resigning. Please advise.
Kind Regards,
Suresh Ram
From India, Mumbai
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You need the internet for various purposes, such as chatting, seeking advice from CiteHR members to solve your problems. I have also encountered a similar situation in one company. The reality is that when you don't have internet access, you tend to work more diligently. Understand, Mr. INTERNET ADDICT.
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Well Ravi, what's the harm in that? Probably one needs to learn new things and if he can elicit help from the internet. This comment of yours depicts to me that you have been practicing the same.
For the solution part, you would need to talk to the top management. Although I have reasons to believe that you have already spoken to them, you will need to work out a cost-benefit analysis of how and to what extent it benefits.
Probably work it out that if you work with a consultant and show them. I believe that if the point is put across, they would clear this Rs. 1000 per month expenditure.
From India, Bahadurgarh
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For the solution part, you would need to talk to the top management. Although I have reasons to believe that you have already spoken to them, you will need to work out a cost-benefit analysis of how and to what extent it benefits.
Probably work it out that if you work with a consultant and show them. I believe that if the point is put across, they would clear this Rs. 1000 per month expenditure.
From India, Bahadurgarh
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I think you are right & trust you have tried to introduce internet in that organization. All top rankers not always right specially in technical matters.
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[quote=kaifahmad;501493]Well Ravi, what's the harm in that? Probably one needs to learn new things, and if he can elicit help from the internet, this comment of yours depicts to me that you have been practicing the same.
For the solution part, you would need to talk to the top management. Although I have reasons to believe that you have already spoken to them, you will need to work out a cost-benefit analysis of how and to what extent it benefits. Probably work it out that if you work with a consultant and show them, I believe that if the point is put forth, they would clear this Rs. 1000/month expenditure.
I also agree the same. No one is handicapped without the internet, but it's really very necessary in today's competitive environment. If they ask something and you have this facility, you can solve that problem or something else more easily and quickly. Policies are not a game to play; they play a tough role in the organization, and one has to make them very carefully. An inexperienced person cannot create the entire policy, but yes, he/she can take care of different points to include in that, ask seniors, and so on.
I completely disagree with Mr. Ravi. If all are chatting here, then why are you using the same? You are also using the internet for sharing our views and guidance...
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Pooja Patel
From India, Ahmadabad
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For the solution part, you would need to talk to the top management. Although I have reasons to believe that you have already spoken to them, you will need to work out a cost-benefit analysis of how and to what extent it benefits. Probably work it out that if you work with a consultant and show them, I believe that if the point is put forth, they would clear this Rs. 1000/month expenditure.
I also agree the same. No one is handicapped without the internet, but it's really very necessary in today's competitive environment. If they ask something and you have this facility, you can solve that problem or something else more easily and quickly. Policies are not a game to play; they play a tough role in the organization, and one has to make them very carefully. An inexperienced person cannot create the entire policy, but yes, he/she can take care of different points to include in that, ask seniors, and so on.
I completely disagree with Mr. Ravi. If all are chatting here, then why are you using the same? You are also using the internet for sharing our views and guidance...
Best Regards,
Pooja Patel
From India, Ahmadabad
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Hi all,
Yes, I agree that the internet is necessary because in this world, you have to be in contact with the outside world, and without the internet, it is not possible. Even take the example of myself - I am studying, but if one day the internet is unable to connect, I feel insecure.
So, finally, I disagree with Mr. Ravi that we are addicted to the net. And Mr. Santosh, I feel you should talk to the top management and ask for the facility. If you give genuine reasons, they may agree.
With best regards,
reema13
From India, Mumbai
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Yes, I agree that the internet is necessary because in this world, you have to be in contact with the outside world, and without the internet, it is not possible. Even take the example of myself - I am studying, but if one day the internet is unable to connect, I feel insecure.
So, finally, I disagree with Mr. Ravi that we are addicted to the net. And Mr. Santosh, I feel you should talk to the top management and ask for the facility. If you give genuine reasons, they may agree.
With best regards,
reema13
From India, Mumbai
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Why do those who say that the internet is necessary not use their minds to prepare policies instead of searching on sites like citehr or others and then just copying and pasting? Prepare your own policy, use your imagination, and be creative. Otherwise, you will only be dependent on the internet, like most people on citehr, who are reliant on it and not using the site for active discussion. There are only a few who believe in contributing rather than just taking, leeching data. :-)
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Never heard such absolute rubbish in my entire life! The company will obviously be better off without you.
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Dear Mr. Ravi,
You are, of course, right in saying that we should use our own wisdom in structuring the policies to suit the needs of the company where we are working. However, at the same time, there is nothing wrong in gathering information and aligning with the company's policies.
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You are, of course, right in saying that we should use our own wisdom in structuring the policies to suit the needs of the company where we are working. However, at the same time, there is nothing wrong in gathering information and aligning with the company's policies.
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Hi Suresh,
First and foremost, leaving a company just because they are not providing internet is very childish. You are not taken onboard to do your job using the internet. The internet was not a criterion for you to join the company or part of your job description. So, I don't see any rationality for considering it as a criterion for your resignation.
Having said that, I also agree that the internet would assist you in many ways. Irrespective of what a few have said about it being unnecessary and a waste of time, it does help you a lot in gaining knowledge if you know how to use it correctly.
And Mr. Ravi, there is nothing wrong in asking for help from other HR professionals or adapting policies from other companies. Maybe you have not heard the phrase "Why reinvent the wheel?". At least basic policy ideas can be taken from other HR professionals and can be worded to suit your company.
Discuss with your superior that access to the internet would help you draft the 'best in the industry' policies and also implement the best-in-class practices, which would help the company grow into a better workplace.
If your superior doesn't agree to it, then take an internet connection on your own and ask for reimbursement. If they don't agree to even that, then bear the cost and do your job. Internet connections are pretty cheap these days. I am sure you can easily afford it with your salary.
But please stop blaming the company for not providing you internet. It is not a mandatory tool that if not provided, you cannot do your job at all. It's just a tool to assist you better. That's all.
Does your company provide you with designer clothes to come to the office daily?
From India, Hyderabad
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First and foremost, leaving a company just because they are not providing internet is very childish. You are not taken onboard to do your job using the internet. The internet was not a criterion for you to join the company or part of your job description. So, I don't see any rationality for considering it as a criterion for your resignation.
Having said that, I also agree that the internet would assist you in many ways. Irrespective of what a few have said about it being unnecessary and a waste of time, it does help you a lot in gaining knowledge if you know how to use it correctly.
And Mr. Ravi, there is nothing wrong in asking for help from other HR professionals or adapting policies from other companies. Maybe you have not heard the phrase "Why reinvent the wheel?". At least basic policy ideas can be taken from other HR professionals and can be worded to suit your company.
Discuss with your superior that access to the internet would help you draft the 'best in the industry' policies and also implement the best-in-class practices, which would help the company grow into a better workplace.
If your superior doesn't agree to it, then take an internet connection on your own and ask for reimbursement. If they don't agree to even that, then bear the cost and do your job. Internet connections are pretty cheap these days. I am sure you can easily afford it with your salary.
But please stop blaming the company for not providing you internet. It is not a mandatory tool that if not provided, you cannot do your job at all. It's just a tool to assist you better. That's all.
Does your company provide you with designer clothes to come to the office daily?
From India, Hyderabad
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Dear All,
I have gone through various suggestions/opinions expressed by all senior members.
In this connection, I fully agree with Pooja Patel because the Directors and other top management want information quickly and in the correct form as far as possible. Here, the internet helps a lot. We can give replies/answers to satisfaction by using the internet. It also helps to know about the outside world and the latest practices in the HR industry, which will be very helpful in implementing or getting some ideas.
I am sure that Mr. Ravi, in his career, may not have worked under pressure or in tense situations. The question of Internet Addiction does not arise at all. When you need immediate answers on any topic, you need an internet connection.
Thanks to all members for giving your valuable suggestions.
Thanks,
Suresh Ram
I also agree the same. No one is handicapped without the internet, but it's really very necessary in today's competitive environment. If they ask something and you have this facility, you can solve that problem or something else more easily and quickly. Policies are not a game to play. They play a tough role in the organization, and one has to make them very carefully. An inexperienced person cannot create the entire policy, but yes, he/she can take care of different points to include, ask the seniors, and so on.
I completely disagree with Mr. Ravi. If all are chatting here, then why are you using the same? You are also using the internet for sharing our views and guidance.
Best Regards,
Pooja Patel
From India, Mumbai
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I have gone through various suggestions/opinions expressed by all senior members.
In this connection, I fully agree with Pooja Patel because the Directors and other top management want information quickly and in the correct form as far as possible. Here, the internet helps a lot. We can give replies/answers to satisfaction by using the internet. It also helps to know about the outside world and the latest practices in the HR industry, which will be very helpful in implementing or getting some ideas.
I am sure that Mr. Ravi, in his career, may not have worked under pressure or in tense situations. The question of Internet Addiction does not arise at all. When you need immediate answers on any topic, you need an internet connection.
Thanks to all members for giving your valuable suggestions.
Thanks,
Suresh Ram
I also agree the same. No one is handicapped without the internet, but it's really very necessary in today's competitive environment. If they ask something and you have this facility, you can solve that problem or something else more easily and quickly. Policies are not a game to play. They play a tough role in the organization, and one has to make them very carefully. An inexperienced person cannot create the entire policy, but yes, he/she can take care of different points to include, ask the seniors, and so on.
I completely disagree with Mr. Ravi. If all are chatting here, then why are you using the same? You are also using the internet for sharing our views and guidance.
Best Regards,
Pooja Patel
From India, Mumbai
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Ok, agreed, I may be wrong, hehehe. So, you give your resignation and quit the company, and tell the other companies wherever you go for an interview that the reason why you quit was because you were not provided with internet. Hehehe, that would be the funniest reason.
Stop being like a child and learn to manage without ample resources.
From India, Pune
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Stop being like a child and learn to manage without ample resources.
From India, Pune
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Dear Mr. Ravi,
We are not suggesting him to resign because the company is not providing internet. We are suggesting that you explain to the top management about the benefits and his need for internet. And as a HR person, if you can't explain your thinking and can't convince anybody, then there is no use in being a HR person. I think you are saying something and doing something. If you think that the internet is an addiction, then why are you using it? Give us the reason.
The thing is not about copying and pasting. You tell us, after 10 years of experience, a person doesn't have 100% knowledge of his/her field, then how can a fresher be aware of it?
I agree with your previous comment that we should develop points and policies by ourselves, but can't we take ideas from different industries and their styles of working? If you are not interested in what other companies are doing, how can you stay in this competitive world?
Best Regards,
Pooja Patel
From India, Ahmadabad
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We are not suggesting him to resign because the company is not providing internet. We are suggesting that you explain to the top management about the benefits and his need for internet. And as a HR person, if you can't explain your thinking and can't convince anybody, then there is no use in being a HR person. I think you are saying something and doing something. If you think that the internet is an addiction, then why are you using it? Give us the reason.
The thing is not about copying and pasting. You tell us, after 10 years of experience, a person doesn't have 100% knowledge of his/her field, then how can a fresher be aware of it?
I agree with your previous comment that we should develop points and policies by ourselves, but can't we take ideas from different industries and their styles of working? If you are not interested in what other companies are doing, how can you stay in this competitive world?
Best Regards,
Pooja Patel
From India, Ahmadabad
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Ok, agreed, I may be wrong, hehehe. So, you give your resignation and quit the company, and tell the other companies wherever you go for an interview that the reason you quit was that you were not provided internet. Hehehe, that would be the funniest reason.
Stop being like a child and learn to manage without ample resources.
Ravi, I believe that you are located on Saturn. Who on Earth is asking him to resign? Has anyone said that apart from you, which is clearly quotable?
Secondly, who said that the internet is meant for copy and paste? It's meant for input. If there is no need to share knowledge, why are you a part of this blog? You are sharing, and if he implements what you are saying, shouldn't that be considered a copy-paste? Conversely, why is there a need for HR best practices to be evaluated and communicated? You should not even know what those words mean. In my humble opinion, you should not have heard that term, forget about implementing HR best practices because that is copy-paste. But the truth remains that you have heard and are eager to learn and implement the best practices. It's not just you, but me and anybody else, and at least I'm not ashamed of that. Are you?
From India, Bahadurgarh
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Stop being like a child and learn to manage without ample resources.
Ravi, I believe that you are located on Saturn. Who on Earth is asking him to resign? Has anyone said that apart from you, which is clearly quotable?
Secondly, who said that the internet is meant for copy and paste? It's meant for input. If there is no need to share knowledge, why are you a part of this blog? You are sharing, and if he implements what you are saying, shouldn't that be considered a copy-paste? Conversely, why is there a need for HR best practices to be evaluated and communicated? You should not even know what those words mean. In my humble opinion, you should not have heard that term, forget about implementing HR best practices because that is copy-paste. But the truth remains that you have heard and are eager to learn and implement the best practices. It's not just you, but me and anybody else, and at least I'm not ashamed of that. Are you?
From India, Bahadurgarh
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I shall offer my present job to you. Can you work and complete one month in this organisation?:?::)
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shall offer my present job to you. Can you work and complete one month in this organisation?:?::)
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I am really surprised that such a topic has become a point of discussion…Requiring net or not is a personal prerogative and as such one should not comment on other’s need….leaving a job merely on the point that co. don’t provide net sounds very immature …in my company internet is restrict to very few but I do go to café’s to access info I need hence I don’t think one should feel like a handicap without net……as far as the fact that one should use his own brain and write is not fair …as all the companies these days involve Management Consultants to align themselves as per market conditions …..hence if you r doing the same by taking guidance from the net what is the harm in that……ppl who want to remain aloof and cut from the rest of the world would talk like that….hence I would suggest let the concerned person decide what his wants are rather than commenting on the same….
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