Hi Aparna,
Wow, your RM's seem to be really smart..... They are trying to have their cake & eat it too.....
Asking for ‘HR approval’ for allowing ‘customer paid liquor’ during business meeting is a nice move... :-)
So, tell us what your policy would achieve:
1. If someone does not consume alcohol, then won't this policy discriminate with him saying he is not able to follow 'guidelines' to build rapport with customers?
2. If someone gets arrested for drunk driving, would they state HR policy & say the company asks them to do so?
3. If the RM misbehave at customer premises / public place under the influence of alcohol, then could they state HR policy & say the company asks them to do so?
There are already many ways, that employees in such sales position twist the rules with (claiming false receipts for liquor under restaurant food bills, etc). Why do you want to give them a "free hit" to do it officially.
Tomorrow, they will say "There was only one committee member opposing our deal; so to get the business, I had to bribe / kill him". Make a policy for that.....
If RM's want to go extra mile with the customer, then they should do it at their cost & at their time. Business hours & budgets should be strict to business. Officially, you would surely want to earn business with your products, & not with booze.
My suggestion is, Do not get lured into the false premise build by RM's, that Alcohol is mandatory for cracking the deals....
Regards,
Amod.
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85Wow, your RM's seem to be really smart..... They are trying to have their cake & eat it too.....
Asking for ‘HR approval’ for allowing ‘customer paid liquor’ during business meeting is a nice move... :-)
So, tell us what your policy would achieve:
1. If someone does not consume alcohol, then won't this policy discriminate with him saying he is not able to follow 'guidelines' to build rapport with customers?
2. If someone gets arrested for drunk driving, would they state HR policy & say the company asks them to do so?
3. If the RM misbehave at customer premises / public place under the influence of alcohol, then could they state HR policy & say the company asks them to do so?
There are already many ways, that employees in such sales position twist the rules with (claiming false receipts for liquor under restaurant food bills, etc). Why do you want to give them a "free hit" to do it officially.
Tomorrow, they will say "There was only one committee member opposing our deal; so to get the business, I had to bribe / kill him". Make a policy for that.....
If RM's want to go extra mile with the customer, then they should do it at their cost & at their time. Business hours & budgets should be strict to business. Officially, you would surely want to earn business with your products, & not with booze.
My suggestion is, Do not get lured into the false premise build by RM's, that Alcohol is mandatory for cracking the deals....
Regards,
Amod.
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Serving drinks in many offices is not common practice in India, except for a few instances such as parties to mark special occasions, get-togethers, or the end of seminars. These occasions may not necessarily occur during working hours. Some offices also organize banquets with a limited amount of alcohol, which should not be considered as "no drinks."
Regarding the issue, it may be challenging for an employer to assess the level of alcohol consumption and whether it occurred due to a client's influence or en route from a bar or store. Even if this is determined, establishing a policy on how to address it poses difficulties. Should the RM be penalized for excessive intake? As long as drinking remains infrequent during office hours, it should not negatively impact the professional environment. Enforcing moral conduct in such situations can be complex and should not lead to clients complaining about RMs visiting solely for drinks.
In conclusion, consuming alcohol during office hours should not be permitted for various reasons, including maintaining decorum. It's advisable not to discuss reimbursing alcohol expenses. Socially, discouraging drinking from an early stage can help shape the character of future generations, preventing the normalization of frequent drinking, which has become prevalent due to the IT boom. Additionally, the issue of drink driving, whether sponsored by clients or done independently, needs consideration.
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Regarding the issue, it may be challenging for an employer to assess the level of alcohol consumption and whether it occurred due to a client's influence or en route from a bar or store. Even if this is determined, establishing a policy on how to address it poses difficulties. Should the RM be penalized for excessive intake? As long as drinking remains infrequent during office hours, it should not negatively impact the professional environment. Enforcing moral conduct in such situations can be complex and should not lead to clients complaining about RMs visiting solely for drinks.
In conclusion, consuming alcohol during office hours should not be permitted for various reasons, including maintaining decorum. It's advisable not to discuss reimbursing alcohol expenses. Socially, discouraging drinking from an early stage can help shape the character of future generations, preventing the normalization of frequent drinking, which has become prevalent due to the IT boom. Additionally, the issue of drink driving, whether sponsored by clients or done independently, needs consideration.
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(Fact Check Failed/Partial)-The user's reply contains inaccuracies regarding the consumption of alcohol during office hours and employer responsibilities. It is important to establish clear alcohol consumption policies to maintain professionalism and safety in the workplace.
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Allowing RM to have drinks with clients is against Indian culture. If it is kept on record as an HR policy, the company has to offer employment to candidates who are habitual drinkers. As a statutory compliance requirement, you have to check if they have the necessary permit from the concerned department to consume alcohol or you have to arrange it.
If drinks are allowed while on duty and unfortunately, if any accidents occur or employees develop any diseases due to drinking with clients, you have to compensate such employees for the record due to the contradiction between the company's policy and the insurance company's rules.
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If drinks are allowed while on duty and unfortunately, if any accidents occur or employees develop any diseases due to drinking with clients, you have to compensate such employees for the record due to the contradiction between the company's policy and the insurance company's rules.
Shirish Kulkarni
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(Fact Check Failed/Partial)-The user's reply contains several inaccuracies. There is no legal requirement for a company to offer employment to habitual drinkers. It's not mandatory for companies to arrange permits for employees to consume alcohol. Compensation for accidents related to alcohol consumption depends on the circumstances. The statement about insurance contradictions is not accurate.
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(Fact Checked)-The user's reply contains several valid points regarding the potential issues that could arise from allowing alcohol consumption during business meetings. It correctly highlights concerns related to discrimination, liability in case of drunk driving incidents, and misconduct under the influence of alcohol. The user also emphasizes the importance of maintaining professionalism and ethical standards in business interactions. However, the user's reply could benefit from a more constructive tone and focus on providing solutions or recommendations to address these concerns. Overall, the user's reply is insightful but could be more constructive in offering suggestions to mitigate the identified risks and maintain a professional work environment. (1 Acknowledge point)