Dear Seniors,
Our plant is situated in Uttarakhand and is currently under construction, not in production mode due to some reason. We obtained the factory license from the appropriate authority a few months ago. My query is, even though no production or manufacturing activities are taking place, would the factory act still be applicable to us?
Thank you.
From India, Kashipur
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15Our plant is situated in Uttarakhand and is currently under construction, not in production mode due to some reason. We obtained the factory license from the appropriate authority a few months ago. My query is, even though no production or manufacturing activities are taking place, would the factory act still be applicable to us?
Thank you.
From India, Kashipur
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Dear If in your company 10 or more then it employees are working then the factory act must be applicable.
From India, New Delhi
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From India, New Delhi
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Dear Shri Bisht, Since you are yet to start the manufacturing process, the factories Act would not apply to you. Regards KK
From India, Bhopal
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From India, Bhopal
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Dear kk, But they have employees in their company as he is in HR department it means there are some employees are there so cant they apply factory act in it?
From India, New Delhi
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From India, New Delhi
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Dear Mr. Satish & Nair, Thanks a lot for your prompt response. Yes, the manufacturing process is yet to start may be next year or so on..... and the employees strength is 80.
From India, Kashipur
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From India, Kashipur
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"Factory" is defined under Section 2(m) of the Factories Act, 1948 as follows:
Factory means (i) any premises, including precincts thereof, wherein 10 or more workers are employed on any day of the preceding 12 months and a manufacturing process is carried on with the aid of power; or (ii) wherein 20 or more workers are employed on any day of the preceding 12 months and a manufacturing process is carried on with the aid of power.
From India, Madras
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Factory means (i) any premises, including precincts thereof, wherein 10 or more workers are employed on any day of the preceding 12 months and a manufacturing process is carried on with the aid of power; or (ii) wherein 20 or more workers are employed on any day of the preceding 12 months and a manufacturing process is carried on with the aid of power.
From India, Madras
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Factories Act will apply where you have carried out the manufacturing process with 10 or more workmen on any day of the preceding 12 months. So, I think in your case, the Factories Act won't apply. But please check with the above.
From India, Visakhapatnam
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From India, Visakhapatnam
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Dear Sir,
"Factory" is clearly defined in section 2(m) of the "Factories Act 1948," but the applicability of the Act is still unclear. Around 80 employees are working, but no manufacturing process is currently taking place.
From India, Kashipur
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"Factory" is clearly defined in section 2(m) of the "Factories Act 1948," but the applicability of the Act is still unclear. Around 80 employees are working, but no manufacturing process is currently taking place.
From India, Kashipur
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Dear manufacturing does not only mean that some machines are moving in the premises. If it is so, the people sitting at the head office are not doing any manufacturing work. Even then, they are covered under the act. Dear, if your company is registered under the Companies Act and 80 employees are working there, you surely come under the Factory Act. You must follow.
Satish
From India, New Delhi
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Satish
From India, New Delhi
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Dear Satish Ji,
For Head Office/Corporate office/Branch Offices where commercial activities are carried out, the Shop & Establishment Act is applicable, even if there is only one employee or multiple employees working there. Please correct me if I am wrong.
From India, Kashipur
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For Head Office/Corporate office/Branch Offices where commercial activities are carried out, the Shop & Establishment Act is applicable, even if there is only one employee or multiple employees working there. Please correct me if I am wrong.
From India, Kashipur
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Hi, if ever you had confusion, why did you go for License, once you have taken the Factory license, it means that you are covered under Factory act. Regards Shekhar
From India, Mumbai
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From India, Mumbai
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If the manufacturing process was not started, then the Factories Act was not applicable. If it is under construction, then you have to follow the guidelines of the BOCW Act and Contract Labour Act (if any Contract Labour are there).
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From India, Narsapur
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From India, Narsapur
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Dear all,
As there are 80 employees working on the premises, what needs to be determined is whether any 'manufacturing process' as defined under the Factories Act is being carried out on the premises. The scope of 'manufacturing process' as defined under the Act is very broad and practically includes all types of organized industrial activities. Since the factual information regarding the activities being conducted on the premises is not available, a complete answer to the query cannot be provided.
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KK
From India, Bhopal
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As there are 80 employees working on the premises, what needs to be determined is whether any 'manufacturing process' as defined under the Factories Act is being carried out on the premises. The scope of 'manufacturing process' as defined under the Act is very broad and practically includes all types of organized industrial activities. Since the factual information regarding the activities being conducted on the premises is not available, a complete answer to the query cannot be provided.
Regards,
KK
From India, Bhopal
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dear mr bisht, If the 80 employees are doing work which fit in the definition of manufacturing process, which is quite wide, the act will apply.
From India, Pune
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From India, Pune
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Hi Mr. Bhuvan,
If the factory is not commissioned and the manufacturing process is yet to be started, what are the 80 employees doing? Why are so many employed? If the project is under construction, then when will the erection of machinery start? You can apply for a factory license one month before the commissioning of the plant, not earlier. Even after commissioning, there are bound to be trial runs; only then the actual manufacturing process starts. All these things take a lot of time. Why are you in a hurry to implement the Factories Act? Unless there is a manufacturing process, the Act need not be implemented.
Best of luck.
Joga Rao
From India, Eluru
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If the factory is not commissioned and the manufacturing process is yet to be started, what are the 80 employees doing? Why are so many employed? If the project is under construction, then when will the erection of machinery start? You can apply for a factory license one month before the commissioning of the plant, not earlier. Even after commissioning, there are bound to be trial runs; only then the actual manufacturing process starts. All these things take a lot of time. Why are you in a hurry to implement the Factories Act? Unless there is a manufacturing process, the Act need not be implemented.
Best of luck.
Joga Rao
From India, Eluru
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Dear Sir,
Thanks for your inputs.
Actually we are in gas based power project whose first phase is completed and ready for trial run, but unfortunately due to unavailability of raw material (Natural GAS) it could not. From our side we got all the permission, clearances, NOC, License etc... from the concerned authority at the relevant time. About manpower all 80 employees related to O&M and commercial deptt. who all were hired to operate the plant. Further the availability of GAS is tentative we can’t say when will be the manufacturing process start.
From India, Kashipur
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Thanks for your inputs.
Actually we are in gas based power project whose first phase is completed and ready for trial run, but unfortunately due to unavailability of raw material (Natural GAS) it could not. From our side we got all the permission, clearances, NOC, License etc... from the concerned authority at the relevant time. About manpower all 80 employees related to O&M and commercial deptt. who all were hired to operate the plant. Further the availability of GAS is tentative we can’t say when will be the manufacturing process start.
From India, Kashipur
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Dear Colleague,
The Factories Act defines that the act is applicable when the manufacturing process is ongoing. In your case, even though a Factory license has been obtained, it may not be applicable as the manufacturing process has not yet started.
In my view, the act is not applicable. Kindly respond to my queries, please.
S. Rajasekaran
DGM - HR
From India, Madras
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The Factories Act defines that the act is applicable when the manufacturing process is ongoing. In your case, even though a Factory license has been obtained, it may not be applicable as the manufacturing process has not yet started.
In my view, the act is not applicable. Kindly respond to my queries, please.
S. Rajasekaran
DGM - HR
From India, Madras
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Hi,
As Mr. Bhushan has stated that the factory license is issued to them, it clearly means that the factory is registered under the said act. Therefore, the Factory Act will be applicable with that effect irrespective of whether production activity is ongoing or not. It is also mentioned that there are 80 employees on the payroll; therefore, their compliance will be met as per the Factories Act and covered under the same.
Thanks,
Bijay
From India, Vadodara
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As Mr. Bhushan has stated that the factory license is issued to them, it clearly means that the factory is registered under the said act. Therefore, the Factory Act will be applicable with that effect irrespective of whether production activity is ongoing or not. It is also mentioned that there are 80 employees on the payroll; therefore, their compliance will be met as per the Factories Act and covered under the same.
Thanks,
Bijay
From India, Vadodara
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Dear all concerned,
No doubt, in this case, the Factory Act applies. You have already obtained a factory license; which is known as "to work as a factory." Whether you have started production or not is not important. Obtaining permission to construct a factory or operate a factory indicates an intention for manufacturing activities. If production has not started, in your annual/half-yearly return, you should mention that the plant is under construction.
Your workforce exceeds 80, and various activities such as erection, painting, etc., may be ongoing on your premises. Therefore, your said factory falls under the purview of the Factory Act.
If any accidents occur, you will be treated according to the Factory Act regulations.
Thanks,
B.K. Sinha
From United Arab Emirates, Abu Dhabi
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No doubt, in this case, the Factory Act applies. You have already obtained a factory license; which is known as "to work as a factory." Whether you have started production or not is not important. Obtaining permission to construct a factory or operate a factory indicates an intention for manufacturing activities. If production has not started, in your annual/half-yearly return, you should mention that the plant is under construction.
Your workforce exceeds 80, and various activities such as erection, painting, etc., may be ongoing on your premises. Therefore, your said factory falls under the purview of the Factory Act.
If any accidents occur, you will be treated according to the Factory Act regulations.
Thanks,
B.K. Sinha
From United Arab Emirates, Abu Dhabi
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Dear Bhuwan,
You are saying that you have 80 workmen in your workplace, but you are also mentioning that there is no manufacturing process.
Then, what work are all these 80 workmen doing?
Please refer to Sec.2 (k) of the Factories Act 1948, which defines a Manufacturing Process as a process for:
(i) making, altering, repairing, finishing, packing, oiling, washing, cleaning, breaking up, or otherwise treating or adapting any article or substance with a view to its use, sale, transport, delivery, or disposal
(ii) pumping oil, water, sewage, or any other substance
(iii) generating, transforming, transmitting power
(iv) composing types for printing or bookbinding
(v) constructing, reconstructing, repairing, refitting, or breaking up ships or vessels
(vi) preserving or storing any article in cold storage
If your so-called workmen have been engaged in any of the above activities, then it implies they have been involved in a manufacturing process. If they have been in a manufacturing process, then your plant will fall under the Factories Act as stated in Sec.2 (m) of the Act.
From India, Visakhapatnam
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You are saying that you have 80 workmen in your workplace, but you are also mentioning that there is no manufacturing process.
Then, what work are all these 80 workmen doing?
Please refer to Sec.2 (k) of the Factories Act 1948, which defines a Manufacturing Process as a process for:
(i) making, altering, repairing, finishing, packing, oiling, washing, cleaning, breaking up, or otherwise treating or adapting any article or substance with a view to its use, sale, transport, delivery, or disposal
(ii) pumping oil, water, sewage, or any other substance
(iii) generating, transforming, transmitting power
(iv) composing types for printing or bookbinding
(v) constructing, reconstructing, repairing, refitting, or breaking up ships or vessels
(vi) preserving or storing any article in cold storage
If your so-called workmen have been engaged in any of the above activities, then it implies they have been involved in a manufacturing process. If they have been in a manufacturing process, then your plant will fall under the Factories Act as stated in Sec.2 (m) of the Act.
From India, Visakhapatnam
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Dear Sir,
Greetings! I am working in a partnership firm registered under the Factory's Act. What registers for staff and workers' details do we have to maintain?
Kindly help.
Sridevi
Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu
From India, Coimbatore
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Greetings! I am working in a partnership firm registered under the Factory's Act. What registers for staff and workers' details do we have to maintain?
Kindly help.
Sridevi
Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu
From India, Coimbatore
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Dear Sir,
There are different sections in it, such as the definition of factories and the definition of the manufacturing process.
1. The definition of "manufacturing process" does not depend on, and is not correlated with, any end product being manufactured from the manufacturing process. It includes repairs, finishing, oiling, or cleaning processes with a view to their use, sale, transport, delivery, or disposal. It cannot be restricted to an activity that may result in manufacturing something or the production of a commercially different article. The "manufacturing process" cannot be interpreted narrowly concerning an act meant for purposes connected with social welfare; M/s Qazi Noorul Hasan Hamid Hussain Petrol Pump v. Deputy Director, Employee's State Insurance Corporation, 2003 LLR 476.
2. The definition of factories is similar to that mentioned in the above threads.
If your manufacturing process falls under the scope of either of these definitions, then the Factories Act 1948 must be applicable.
Regards,
Sunil Upreti
From India, Nagpur
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There are different sections in it, such as the definition of factories and the definition of the manufacturing process.
1. The definition of "manufacturing process" does not depend on, and is not correlated with, any end product being manufactured from the manufacturing process. It includes repairs, finishing, oiling, or cleaning processes with a view to their use, sale, transport, delivery, or disposal. It cannot be restricted to an activity that may result in manufacturing something or the production of a commercially different article. The "manufacturing process" cannot be interpreted narrowly concerning an act meant for purposes connected with social welfare; M/s Qazi Noorul Hasan Hamid Hussain Petrol Pump v. Deputy Director, Employee's State Insurance Corporation, 2003 LLR 476.
2. The definition of factories is similar to that mentioned in the above threads.
If your manufacturing process falls under the scope of either of these definitions, then the Factories Act 1948 must be applicable.
Regards,
Sunil Upreti
From India, Nagpur
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Dear,
If your factory was under construction, you were under the Building and Other Construction Workers Act 1996. But, since you have a valid factory license, it means now you are covered under the Factories Act and you will have to follow all the provisions. But, why are you so worried? When the manufacturing process is yet to start, you must not be having workers other than management staff. In that case, as per the definition of a worker under the Factories Act, you must not be having people. So, you have time to follow all the provisions until you have those workers...
From India, Asansol
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If your factory was under construction, you were under the Building and Other Construction Workers Act 1996. But, since you have a valid factory license, it means now you are covered under the Factories Act and you will have to follow all the provisions. But, why are you so worried? When the manufacturing process is yet to start, you must not be having workers other than management staff. In that case, as per the definition of a worker under the Factories Act, you must not be having people. So, you have time to follow all the provisions until you have those workers...
From India, Asansol
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Dear Sridevi,
Greetings!
Please go through this link: https://www.citehr.com/118308-all-ac...liances-3.html. You will find an Excel format file uploaded by Mr. Rajeev about the compliance to be maintained with respect to all labor acts, including the Factories Act 1948.
Regards,
Raja
From India, Visakhapatnam
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Greetings!
Please go through this link: https://www.citehr.com/118308-all-ac...liances-3.html. You will find an Excel format file uploaded by Mr. Rajeev about the compliance to be maintained with respect to all labor acts, including the Factories Act 1948.
Regards,
Raja
From India, Visakhapatnam
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Dear Sridevi,
Greetings!
Please go through this link: https://www.citehr.com/118308-all-ac...mpliances.html. You will find an Excel format file uploaded by Mr. Rajeev regarding the compliance to be maintained with respect to all labor acts, including the Factories Act 1948.
Regards,
Raja
From India, Visakhapatnam
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Greetings!
Please go through this link: https://www.citehr.com/118308-all-ac...mpliances.html. You will find an Excel format file uploaded by Mr. Rajeev regarding the compliance to be maintained with respect to all labor acts, including the Factories Act 1948.
Regards,
Raja
From India, Visakhapatnam
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It has been well in the rules of each govt. That provisional licence to be obtained while the factory is under construction stage and the manufacturing process shall start at later stage
From India, Gurgaon
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From India, Gurgaon
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Dear Bhuvan,
For constructing a factory in any locality, one must first get approval from the Factories Department (Inspector of Factories) as per the Factories Act. However, during construction and before the commencement of the manufacturing process, the Factories Act will not apply. The Building & Other Construction Workers Act will only apply until the construction activities are ongoing. Once the manufacturing process is started on the premises, then the BOCW Act will cease, and the Factories Act will apply.
I hope your doubt is cleared. If you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to ask.
From India, Kumbakonam
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For constructing a factory in any locality, one must first get approval from the Factories Department (Inspector of Factories) as per the Factories Act. However, during construction and before the commencement of the manufacturing process, the Factories Act will not apply. The Building & Other Construction Workers Act will only apply until the construction activities are ongoing. Once the manufacturing process is started on the premises, then the BOCW Act will cease, and the Factories Act will apply.
I hope your doubt is cleared. If you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to ask.
From India, Kumbakonam
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I feel that if the factory's license is already obtained and if already 80 persons are working on the premises looking after support operations to make the factory ready for manufacturing activities, in that case, initial compliances such as factory returns, attendance cum wages registers, shift timings, etc. have to be followed in the case of those 80 employees. They should not wait for the factory to start the production activities (manufacturing process) in order to start complying.
Patwardhan
From India, Thana
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Patwardhan
From India, Thana
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The licensing authority is not innocent when it has issued the license after you had applied for it and already have it in your possession. This implies that you have fulfilled the requirements to establish a factory or would be considered as having one. Hence, no other discussions would fit in for the acts already done, except the duties as demanded by the license shall be performed in order to retain the same.
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