I am creating a new proprietorship firm and getting ID cards developed for my employees, can I also have an ID card for my self with title "Director" or it is not allowed by law? Please advise?
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Dear,
All your posts show that you are starting a new firm with yourself as the proprietor.
Congratulations on that.
However, you seem to be both cautious and excited at the same time. It would be better if you sought help from a legal or experienced accounting professional to clarify your thoughts.
One thing I would suggest is to consider yourself an employee of the company, especially in its initial phases. While every employee of your company will know you are the owner, titles like Director and CEO will only emphasize your authority and may impact your personal goals. Presenting yourself as a Senior Manager or General Manager will position you as an employee, making your fellow workers feel more comfortable and attached. This is a natural approach for employees in organizations of any size. Directors or CEOs are typically those who do not attach themselves to the presumed roles.
All the best for your future.
Remember, difficulty, discouragement, and disappointment are not signs of failure; they are challenges on your path to success.
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All your posts show that you are starting a new firm with yourself as the proprietor.
Congratulations on that.
However, you seem to be both cautious and excited at the same time. It would be better if you sought help from a legal or experienced accounting professional to clarify your thoughts.
One thing I would suggest is to consider yourself an employee of the company, especially in its initial phases. While every employee of your company will know you are the owner, titles like Director and CEO will only emphasize your authority and may impact your personal goals. Presenting yourself as a Senior Manager or General Manager will position you as an employee, making your fellow workers feel more comfortable and attached. This is a natural approach for employees in organizations of any size. Directors or CEOs are typically those who do not attach themselves to the presumed roles.
All the best for your future.
Remember, difficulty, discouragement, and disappointment are not signs of failure; they are challenges on your path to success.
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Yes, there is no law which says a director cannot have I card. I have issued it to my directors also in the past. Director is as good as an employee.
From India, Mumbai
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Yes, Director is also an employee of the company & should possess ID card. It helps you to prove identity when you approach other organizations specially banks.
From India, Vijayawada
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You are creating a proprietary firm. There is no legal concept of a director in a proprietary firm. Therefore, you should actually have the designation as proprietor.
There is a law that disallows a company from designating any person as a director unless the person is on the board of the company. If you are not a company, the rule does not apply. I can't find any law similar for a proprietor firm. Many organizations have the post of a director to designate the head of a certain function (similar to the president).
But on the other hand, what is the exact purpose of the identity card? Is it for identification to outsiders (like courier boys, telephone service team) or for internal purposes (the watchman will check before allowing to enter) or access control (smart card, RFID, biometric asset)? If it is internal, you do not need it. The watchman knows you. If it is external, maybe visiting cards are better. You need to evaluate the purpose and how it fits into your environment.
If you are issuing one to yourself just to appear part of the team (everyone in the office will display it), you can issue it with any designation of your choice, or even without a designation for yourself. There is no legal binding as long as it is not a misrepresentation.
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There is a law that disallows a company from designating any person as a director unless the person is on the board of the company. If you are not a company, the rule does not apply. I can't find any law similar for a proprietor firm. Many organizations have the post of a director to designate the head of a certain function (similar to the president).
But on the other hand, what is the exact purpose of the identity card? Is it for identification to outsiders (like courier boys, telephone service team) or for internal purposes (the watchman will check before allowing to enter) or access control (smart card, RFID, biometric asset)? If it is internal, you do not need it. The watchman knows you. If it is external, maybe visiting cards are better. You need to evaluate the purpose and how it fits into your environment.
If you are issuing one to yourself just to appear part of the team (everyone in the office will display it), you can issue it with any designation of your choice, or even without a designation for yourself. There is no legal binding as long as it is not a misrepresentation.
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ID, either digital, magnetic, or non-magnetic, can be obtained by all, including the proprietor and employees. There is no restriction. In fact, it is beneficial in many ways for the proprietor to carry an ID card when visiting various offices or clients. This will also prevent the embarrassment of saying 'I don't have one' when asked to show ID. The proprietor can certainly have one for themselves; the only limitation is they cannot have the luxury of an Employee Number. I'm certain many of my clients already possess one.
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@Saswatabanerjee,
Could you kindly highlight which law disallows the designation of Director being conferred upon non-board members? In advertising, the positions of Account Director and Client Services Director are a level below General Manager, and every advertising agency has had this designation for many decades. Similarly, not all HR Directors are board members. Additionally, there are many non-board members who hold titles such as Technical Director, Commercial Director, Finance Director, Executive Director, etc. Since you mentioned that the law prohibits this practice, could you please inform us of the specific law that prohibits it? This information would be enlightening for us.
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Could you kindly highlight which law disallows the designation of Director being conferred upon non-board members? In advertising, the positions of Account Director and Client Services Director are a level below General Manager, and every advertising agency has had this designation for many decades. Similarly, not all HR Directors are board members. Additionally, there are many non-board members who hold titles such as Technical Director, Commercial Director, Finance Director, Executive Director, etc. Since you mentioned that the law prohibits this practice, could you please inform us of the specific law that prohibits it? This information would be enlightening for us.
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The term director is legally applicable for companies which fall under the Companies Act. A Director is a person who controls a company - may be a private or public limited company. They have statutory obligations placed upon them which are different from that of a proprietor. Also, remember, a company MUST have at least 2 Directors.
No law may stop you from using any terminology, but one must understand that people may get misguided if the owner calls himself a director. There is always a difference between an owner/proprietor and a director.
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No law may stop you from using any terminology, but one must understand that people may get misguided if the owner calls himself a director. There is always a difference between an owner/proprietor and a director.
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Dear Anonymous,
The Companies Act of 1956 and the new Companies Act of 2013 both have the definition of the Companies Act.
Both acts also categorically state that someone who is not a member of the board of directors cannot be designated as a director. It is an offense under the act, and the company can be penalized for it. The penalty is quite high.
First, remember that this rule applies only to companies. Partnership firms can appoint anyone as a director.
Second, many companies either deliberately or unknowingly violate this rule. The Registrar of Companies (ROC) has not prosecuted anyone for it unless they have signed official ROC-related documents, but they have the authority to do so.
An art director or movie director in an advertising company, for example, is different. It is commonly understood that this person is not a director under the Companies Act, but rather that their role involves direction. If a Client Services Director is not on the board, that would be a violation of the act, as would be the case for any Executive Director, Finance Director, etc., who is not actually a director.
I am not certain of the exact location where this rule is currently stated. I will verify and provide additional information. The new Companies Act is highly complex, and I have not yet read all sections.
From India, Mumbai
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The Companies Act of 1956 and the new Companies Act of 2013 both have the definition of the Companies Act.
Both acts also categorically state that someone who is not a member of the board of directors cannot be designated as a director. It is an offense under the act, and the company can be penalized for it. The penalty is quite high.
First, remember that this rule applies only to companies. Partnership firms can appoint anyone as a director.
Second, many companies either deliberately or unknowingly violate this rule. The Registrar of Companies (ROC) has not prosecuted anyone for it unless they have signed official ROC-related documents, but they have the authority to do so.
An art director or movie director in an advertising company, for example, is different. It is commonly understood that this person is not a director under the Companies Act, but rather that their role involves direction. If a Client Services Director is not on the board, that would be a violation of the act, as would be the case for any Executive Director, Finance Director, etc., who is not actually a director.
I am not certain of the exact location where this rule is currently stated. I will verify and provide additional information. The new Companies Act is highly complex, and I have not yet read all sections.
From India, Mumbai
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@saswatabanerjee
Thanks for your explanation. I have worked in one of the top advertising agencies as an HR Director. I am currently designated as an HR Director of a large MNC petrochemical company but am not a board member. I was not a board member in any of my previous roles as an HR Director.
I also understand that, as per the Companies Act, it is not a crime to use the title of Director. When I checked with my Company Secretary, he confirmed that it is not against the law to use the title, as a Director is a person who directs the activities of the function/business for which he is responsible, regardless of whether he is a board member or not.
When I mentioned your view to him, he explained that many people mistakenly believe that the term Director implies a board member, which is not the case. If you can provide me with the sections that disallow the use of the term, I will share them with him. I strongly believe that we should not use a title that is prohibited by law.
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Thanks for your explanation. I have worked in one of the top advertising agencies as an HR Director. I am currently designated as an HR Director of a large MNC petrochemical company but am not a board member. I was not a board member in any of my previous roles as an HR Director.
I also understand that, as per the Companies Act, it is not a crime to use the title of Director. When I checked with my Company Secretary, he confirmed that it is not against the law to use the title, as a Director is a person who directs the activities of the function/business for which he is responsible, regardless of whether he is a board member or not.
When I mentioned your view to him, he explained that many people mistakenly believe that the term Director implies a board member, which is not the case. If you can provide me with the sections that disallow the use of the term, I will share them with him. I strongly believe that we should not use a title that is prohibited by law.
From United+States, San+Francisco
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