Dear Seniors,
Few days back i was going through an ad, which compelled me to sit back...and think...about my life,my job,my priorities...i have always been an avid reader.. all these years have read things like
" Never work to live INSTEAD live to work" or
"Chose a JOB you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life".... and many more like these.
The understanding on practical front came to me lately.
Currently i am working as Sr Exec HR (generic) with around 2 years of work exp, drawing decent package..BUT.. not happy with the job.. Initially there was lot to do, as its new setup, but now it seems im doing same job everyday. So its job monotony + general impression of HR that companies hold-expense to company + the idea that i am not revenue generator for the company...n many such factors..
Presently i am planning to enter TRAINING field i.e. impart training.. Qualities that qualify me for the field are:
good communication skills,
good speaker
good listner
out of box thinking/innovative kinds
good facilitator(because i believe its more about facilitating than teaching)
presentable
good presentation skills
like doing research on different topics and make my own presentation on the topic
I hope i dint overdo it . but seriously these are the qualities others have pointed out in me.
NOW I NEED YOUR GUIDANCE & SUGGESTIONS
Should i join some COMPANY which has dedicated training dept? my present comp treats training as cost factor.
should i join some TRAINING CONSULTANCY with good clientele?
should i start my own business? now this dosent sound very feasible, considering i do not have not much knowledge of the field.
should i join some school/college as soft skills trainer?
What is the difference between training school kids and corporate?
Can you help me with details of some of the above that you suggest.
I am based in Delhi.
I SEEK GUIDANCE FROM ALL YOU SENIORS
& MY HR FRIENDS WHO FACED SOMETHING SIMILAR AND MANAGED TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION..
Waiting for your replies!!!
Best Regards
Fatima
From India, Delhi
Few days back i was going through an ad, which compelled me to sit back...and think...about my life,my job,my priorities...i have always been an avid reader.. all these years have read things like
" Never work to live INSTEAD live to work" or
"Chose a JOB you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life".... and many more like these.
The understanding on practical front came to me lately.
Currently i am working as Sr Exec HR (generic) with around 2 years of work exp, drawing decent package..BUT.. not happy with the job.. Initially there was lot to do, as its new setup, but now it seems im doing same job everyday. So its job monotony + general impression of HR that companies hold-expense to company + the idea that i am not revenue generator for the company...n many such factors..
Presently i am planning to enter TRAINING field i.e. impart training.. Qualities that qualify me for the field are:
good communication skills,
good speaker
good listner
out of box thinking/innovative kinds
good facilitator(because i believe its more about facilitating than teaching)
presentable
good presentation skills
like doing research on different topics and make my own presentation on the topic
I hope i dint overdo it . but seriously these are the qualities others have pointed out in me.
NOW I NEED YOUR GUIDANCE & SUGGESTIONS
Should i join some COMPANY which has dedicated training dept? my present comp treats training as cost factor.
should i join some TRAINING CONSULTANCY with good clientele?
should i start my own business? now this dosent sound very feasible, considering i do not have not much knowledge of the field.
should i join some school/college as soft skills trainer?
What is the difference between training school kids and corporate?
Can you help me with details of some of the above that you suggest.
I am based in Delhi.
I SEEK GUIDANCE FROM ALL YOU SENIORS
& MY HR FRIENDS WHO FACED SOMETHING SIMILAR AND MANAGED TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION..
Waiting for your replies!!!
Best Regards
Fatima
From India, Delhi
12 views n no reply??? has nobody faced similar situation ?? looking forward to your advice.
From India, Delhi
From India, Delhi
Fatima,
Who said that HR is not a revenue generator for the company.Its an HR who recruits and selects the right candidate for the vacant position.They are the persons who well scrutinize cadidates and gives asserts to the company,Who generate revenues to the company.We play a major role in finding out the right candidate with good attitude and knowledge.Maintaining good relations with employees ,retaining the employees would help the company in reducing man power turnover to the companies which ultimately reduces the recruitment cost.COme out of this fatima, u need to be proud that you are the person who generates revenues for the company.When ever u get a chance to explain about what you giving the company emphasise on this ,it will give you a great support.Remember by maintaining good employee relations and formulating good policies we are reducing the attrition rate of the company,which is helping the company to reduce its recruitment cost and providing good talent to the company.
Vijay
From India, Hyderabad
1Who said that HR is not a revenue generator for the company.Its an HR who recruits and selects the right candidate for the vacant position.They are the persons who well scrutinize cadidates and gives asserts to the company,Who generate revenues to the company.We play a major role in finding out the right candidate with good attitude and knowledge.Maintaining good relations with employees ,retaining the employees would help the company in reducing man power turnover to the companies which ultimately reduces the recruitment cost.COme out of this fatima, u need to be proud that you are the person who generates revenues for the company.When ever u get a chance to explain about what you giving the company emphasise on this ,it will give you a great support.Remember by maintaining good employee relations and formulating good policies we are reducing the attrition rate of the company,which is helping the company to reduce its recruitment cost and providing good talent to the company.
Vijay
From India, Hyderabad
Hi,
The way you have put your plans and the feelings i am happy for you.
But the way you felt, i think that you got carried away with the paper advertisement.
The writer who had wrote that ad. would have seen such a circumstances and wrote the ad.But i say you are an HR and have decent paypackage then think positively with that issue.
I know that you are interested to get a career in training but the academic and the corporate training differs a lot.More over i tell you one thing that a ad. had made you to change your mind rather than your own feelings.Wats the gurantee that you will stick to the same training process for life long.
You be in your own organization and try to do some creative processes.
Look daily from morning till night you do the same routine job(Getting up,brushing,taking bath,eating breakfast and lunch and traveling and then night again dinner) but you make the difference in the way you do.(You try to eat variety food,try to brush differently,try to go to office in different bike/bus/route).
So it depends on the way you take the situation.I know that you may be doing the routine job in the office but try to do it differently and then you will feel very happy about that.
Sorry if i was harsh but i want you to be more practical and think positive in your life.
Bye
sandeep
From India, Warangal
The way you have put your plans and the feelings i am happy for you.
But the way you felt, i think that you got carried away with the paper advertisement.
The writer who had wrote that ad. would have seen such a circumstances and wrote the ad.But i say you are an HR and have decent paypackage then think positively with that issue.
I know that you are interested to get a career in training but the academic and the corporate training differs a lot.More over i tell you one thing that a ad. had made you to change your mind rather than your own feelings.Wats the gurantee that you will stick to the same training process for life long.
You be in your own organization and try to do some creative processes.
Look daily from morning till night you do the same routine job(Getting up,brushing,taking bath,eating breakfast and lunch and traveling and then night again dinner) but you make the difference in the way you do.(You try to eat variety food,try to brush differently,try to go to office in different bike/bus/route).
So it depends on the way you take the situation.I know that you may be doing the routine job in the office but try to do it differently and then you will feel very happy about that.
Sorry if i was harsh but i want you to be more practical and think positive in your life.
Bye
sandeep
From India, Warangal
Hi All,
Even i am facing a similar kind of a position................ i do not think Fatima got carried away by the thingy she read in the newspaper, but this is a situation most of the Hr pepole feel who work for some Indian Start ups?????
I am now planning to get into some good MNC where (i guess) the work would be more structured and organised and i would get to learn new things whikle working..........
Need suggestions!!!!!!!!!
Regards,
Poonam
From India, Delhi
Even i am facing a similar kind of a position................ i do not think Fatima got carried away by the thingy she read in the newspaper, but this is a situation most of the Hr pepole feel who work for some Indian Start ups?????
I am now planning to get into some good MNC where (i guess) the work would be more structured and organised and i would get to learn new things whikle working..........
Need suggestions!!!!!!!!!
Regards,
Poonam
From India, Delhi
Hi Poonam,
You tell that working with the MNC's would not fetch you much of learning scope.But to be practical to have a change you need a good brand name,then only the other companies call you.
I had worked with new starter companies and even MNCs,its the way you take it.Even i used to think in the same way when i started my career but now i am matured to think about my career only in MNC's for great growth.
In small companies you have many issues and the major issue is about the targets and the money generation but for MNC's you have good scope to think for your career prospective.
BE POSITIVE.
Bye
sandeep
From India, Warangal
You tell that working with the MNC's would not fetch you much of learning scope.But to be practical to have a change you need a good brand name,then only the other companies call you.
I had worked with new starter companies and even MNCs,its the way you take it.Even i used to think in the same way when i started my career but now i am matured to think about my career only in MNC's for great growth.
In small companies you have many issues and the major issue is about the targets and the money generation but for MNC's you have good scope to think for your career prospective.
BE POSITIVE.
Bye
sandeep
From India, Warangal
Hello,
You have hands on work experience of about TWO years and a part of that only may be related to training and that too for issues like, "Training Needs Assessment", "Organizing Training Programmes", "Sourcing suitable faculty-both internal and external" "Getting Feed backs" etc.
This is not, in my personal opinion, enough to start functioning as a "trainer" expecially as an independent Trainer!
Trainer's effectiveness primarily depends upon credibility that the participants perceive. Also good communication skills (which you seem to have anyway!) are not enough. Theoretical knowledge, Conceptaualization skills, hands on experience in work life issues are also essential.
Just as your own company considers training to be a cost centre, there are many organizations that consider training as an affoardable luxury. As a broad general observation "training" usually receives more lip sympathy than real commitment. Launching yourself as a free lance trainer, is, again in my personal opinion, NOT an advisable option at this stage.
I feel and recommend that:
1) You should be looking for an organization which is genuinely favourably committed to training. Aim to join such a company in their Training Department. If such a department is not yet organized, join the HR in Training function.
2) Generate visiting faculty assignments for yourself in local management institutes, coordinate with existing Trainers and associate with them by taking some assignments in their training programmes in industry. In this matter coordinate with local Chamber of Commerce & Industry or other Industry Associations and work out such assignments.
3) Improve your professional presence. Speak at professional seminars and meetings, start writing in professional jourrnals etc.
If you follow the above plan, for let us say for three years or so, I would say you are ready to launch in Training Consultancy. Till the revenues stabilize and inflow of work is consistent, you must have the holding power financially anyway!
I do not aim to dilute your enthusiasm but am merely suggesting some way that you should prudently consider. If we need to interact further you are welcome!!
Regards
samvedan
December 12, 2007
From India, Pune
You have hands on work experience of about TWO years and a part of that only may be related to training and that too for issues like, "Training Needs Assessment", "Organizing Training Programmes", "Sourcing suitable faculty-both internal and external" "Getting Feed backs" etc.
This is not, in my personal opinion, enough to start functioning as a "trainer" expecially as an independent Trainer!
Trainer's effectiveness primarily depends upon credibility that the participants perceive. Also good communication skills (which you seem to have anyway!) are not enough. Theoretical knowledge, Conceptaualization skills, hands on experience in work life issues are also essential.
Just as your own company considers training to be a cost centre, there are many organizations that consider training as an affoardable luxury. As a broad general observation "training" usually receives more lip sympathy than real commitment. Launching yourself as a free lance trainer, is, again in my personal opinion, NOT an advisable option at this stage.
I feel and recommend that:
1) You should be looking for an organization which is genuinely favourably committed to training. Aim to join such a company in their Training Department. If such a department is not yet organized, join the HR in Training function.
2) Generate visiting faculty assignments for yourself in local management institutes, coordinate with existing Trainers and associate with them by taking some assignments in their training programmes in industry. In this matter coordinate with local Chamber of Commerce & Industry or other Industry Associations and work out such assignments.
3) Improve your professional presence. Speak at professional seminars and meetings, start writing in professional jourrnals etc.
If you follow the above plan, for let us say for three years or so, I would say you are ready to launch in Training Consultancy. Till the revenues stabilize and inflow of work is consistent, you must have the holding power financially anyway!
I do not aim to dilute your enthusiasm but am merely suggesting some way that you should prudently consider. If we need to interact further you are welcome!!
Regards
samvedan
December 12, 2007
From India, Pune
Hi Fatima,
Please read book by Jim Collins " GOOD TO GREAT" where you will get some good inputs which is inline with your thoughts. Yes you are right. It is not just a paper advt. We have lot of examples for it. First thing is you have to identify what is your Passion ?.
Think about the following examples
1) Sachin Tandulkar loves(Passionate about) Cricket - He need not have to work a single day in his life but it brings him both money and satisfaction
2) Similarly MS Subbalakshmi loves Music and that is her profession also
Coming to your case. Assuming that you are good in HR Soft skills training and you are passionate about it. Then you have to think about how to make it as your economic engines (which also should bring you money)
In the above book :GOOD TO GREAT" Jim Collings explians about the combination of these three factors using a venn diagram 1)Identify Your core streangth- means you are good at it 2) You should be passionate about it 3) That should be your economic Engine
I also recommend second book "The Alchemist " for you there author says "Follow your heart "
Hope this helps you.....
All the best,
Ramesh
From Singapore, Singapore
Please read book by Jim Collins " GOOD TO GREAT" where you will get some good inputs which is inline with your thoughts. Yes you are right. It is not just a paper advt. We have lot of examples for it. First thing is you have to identify what is your Passion ?.
Think about the following examples
1) Sachin Tandulkar loves(Passionate about) Cricket - He need not have to work a single day in his life but it brings him both money and satisfaction
2) Similarly MS Subbalakshmi loves Music and that is her profession also
Coming to your case. Assuming that you are good in HR Soft skills training and you are passionate about it. Then you have to think about how to make it as your economic engines (which also should bring you money)
In the above book :GOOD TO GREAT" Jim Collings explians about the combination of these three factors using a venn diagram 1)Identify Your core streangth- means you are good at it 2) You should be passionate about it 3) That should be your economic Engine
I also recommend second book "The Alchemist " for you there author says "Follow your heart "
Hope this helps you.....
All the best,
Ramesh
From Singapore, Singapore
There is good rage and bad rage. Someone who gets angry all the time is impossible to work with. But for the rest of us, occasional bursts of anger, especially if performed with panache, have much to be said for them.
My rage attack had two advantages. First, it was a gift to everyone else. Humdrum office life was briefly interrupted with a little drama. Eyes popped, and suddenly there was something to whisper about at the coffee machine. It was also good for me as it got my blood coursing agreeably through my veins.
* Reasons for being miserable at work
Companies have got themselves into a muddle over anger. On one hand they tell us to feel passionate about our work. On the other they expect us to be professional at all times - which means keeping our negative emotions under lock and key. Passionate and professional strike me as odd bedfellows.
Actually, I've never really gone along with the idea of passion at work. I've looked the word up in the dictionary and it means: a strong sexual desire or the suffering of Jesus at the crucifixion. Neither of these quite captures the mood of the average white-collar worker.
However, if what passion means is minding about work, I'm all for it. The trouble is that minding means sometimes feeling furious when things don't go according to plan.
Indeed, for me work is one long rage opportunity - starting with the fact that the machine that dispenses hot water for tea is on the blink. Clearly some management of rage is in order, and here is what the experts usually suggest.
Their first tip is to breathe. I've never been able to see what the big deal about breathing is. It keeps me alive, but that's as far as it goes.
Their second is "positive self-talk" - to squash your negative feelings and give the other person the benefit of the doubt. This is dodgy advice. Why should I give my patronising colleague the benefit of the doubt when he was so clearly in the wrong? The very thought make me much crosser than I was before.
The third tip is forgiveness. Again, no dice: I don't forgive the water machine and I don't forgive my colleague.
The reason this advice is so hopeless is that it is trying to eliminate anger. Instead, what we all need advice on is how to do anger better. My outburst last week could have been improved on. The first problem is that I don't get angry at work often enough, so last week's row was too shocking to my system. Once every 10 years is too little. Once every 10 minutes is too much. The ideal might be about once every couple of months.
The next problem was that I didn't end it properly. Afterwards I sought the advice of a pugnacious colleague. He said I should send an e-mail saying: "Don't ever speak to me like that again, and I demand an apology at once."
I rejected this because such e-mails are not my style. My style is more to nurse a lifelong grudge (and possibly write a column about it). Which approach is better? Clearly the pugnacious one is. My problem was that I was an anger wimp and didn't follow through.
Apologies all round are a good way of ending it. A fairly senior woman I know often has bad-tempered outbursts but always says a large and generous sorry afterwards. She reckons (and she may be right) that the effect of a furious shout followed by an apology often leaves her victim marginally better disposed to her than before the rage attack.
There are other principles for good anger. It is almost never good to shout at a subordinate. Mine was a row of equals. Second, however angry you are don't let it spill out of control. Throwing the computer keyboard is not advisable as it makes you look an idiot and then your computer doesn't work, making you crosser still.
If you are small and male, anger is to be avoided. A man under 5' 7" who loses it at work just looks comic. This isn't fair, but that's the way it goes.
The people who worry me most at work are not the people who get angry but the ones who never do. A calm man I knew in my teens once told me: never lose your temper, it makes you look weak. He had a catastrophic nervous breakdown in his mid-20s, poor man, and is now in sheltered accommodation in Arizona.
From India, Madras
My rage attack had two advantages. First, it was a gift to everyone else. Humdrum office life was briefly interrupted with a little drama. Eyes popped, and suddenly there was something to whisper about at the coffee machine. It was also good for me as it got my blood coursing agreeably through my veins.
* Reasons for being miserable at work
Companies have got themselves into a muddle over anger. On one hand they tell us to feel passionate about our work. On the other they expect us to be professional at all times - which means keeping our negative emotions under lock and key. Passionate and professional strike me as odd bedfellows.
Actually, I've never really gone along with the idea of passion at work. I've looked the word up in the dictionary and it means: a strong sexual desire or the suffering of Jesus at the crucifixion. Neither of these quite captures the mood of the average white-collar worker.
However, if what passion means is minding about work, I'm all for it. The trouble is that minding means sometimes feeling furious when things don't go according to plan.
Indeed, for me work is one long rage opportunity - starting with the fact that the machine that dispenses hot water for tea is on the blink. Clearly some management of rage is in order, and here is what the experts usually suggest.
Their first tip is to breathe. I've never been able to see what the big deal about breathing is. It keeps me alive, but that's as far as it goes.
Their second is "positive self-talk" - to squash your negative feelings and give the other person the benefit of the doubt. This is dodgy advice. Why should I give my patronising colleague the benefit of the doubt when he was so clearly in the wrong? The very thought make me much crosser than I was before.
The third tip is forgiveness. Again, no dice: I don't forgive the water machine and I don't forgive my colleague.
The reason this advice is so hopeless is that it is trying to eliminate anger. Instead, what we all need advice on is how to do anger better. My outburst last week could have been improved on. The first problem is that I don't get angry at work often enough, so last week's row was too shocking to my system. Once every 10 years is too little. Once every 10 minutes is too much. The ideal might be about once every couple of months.
The next problem was that I didn't end it properly. Afterwards I sought the advice of a pugnacious colleague. He said I should send an e-mail saying: "Don't ever speak to me like that again, and I demand an apology at once."
I rejected this because such e-mails are not my style. My style is more to nurse a lifelong grudge (and possibly write a column about it). Which approach is better? Clearly the pugnacious one is. My problem was that I was an anger wimp and didn't follow through.
Apologies all round are a good way of ending it. A fairly senior woman I know often has bad-tempered outbursts but always says a large and generous sorry afterwards. She reckons (and she may be right) that the effect of a furious shout followed by an apology often leaves her victim marginally better disposed to her than before the rage attack.
There are other principles for good anger. It is almost never good to shout at a subordinate. Mine was a row of equals. Second, however angry you are don't let it spill out of control. Throwing the computer keyboard is not advisable as it makes you look an idiot and then your computer doesn't work, making you crosser still.
If you are small and male, anger is to be avoided. A man under 5' 7" who loses it at work just looks comic. This isn't fair, but that's the way it goes.
The people who worry me most at work are not the people who get angry but the ones who never do. A calm man I knew in my teens once told me: never lose your temper, it makes you look weak. He had a catastrophic nervous breakdown in his mid-20s, poor man, and is now in sheltered accommodation in Arizona.
From India, Madras
Dear Fatima,
I have just seen your post on cite HR, a wonderful platform to air your views truthfully and sincerely. Your perdicament which you have expressed, I believe is straight from your heart.
Now coming to the issue which you have raised. I take it that you have about about 2 years experience. With your kind of thinking person and the kind of commitment that you have shown to your job and the way you have expressed yourself shows that you have the capability to rise in your career. There are many executives who feel the way you feel today at this stage of the career, I believe this would be a turning point in your career. The choice that you make now will be crucial and only you can make this choice, advice from people like us is okay. As far as advice is concerned I believe you can not get better advice then what Mr Samvedan has said in his response, please read very carefully what he has said. I happen to know him personally, he is very experienced very learned and an excellent faculty and a consultant.
A change in your job profile at this stage would be a permnant change if you finally settle down to Training, it is an excellent option. But I guess for this you need a lot of experience and maturity. Take the steps suggested by Mr Samvedan, spend some money spend some time attending seminars and may be a few lectures in a good institute as an understudy to a trainer. If you do choose training as a career option, then do not look back, just go for it, do not make a half hearted attempt, training needs a lot of communications skills, a lot of patience a lot of smile on the face, listening skills etc etc. Work with a consulatnt for some time and ultimately go into your own consultancy firm, they do well money wise. Incidently I do plan myself to switch to training.
All the very best, God Bless you and God May lead you to a correct choice
Col L S Chadha (
)
I have just seen your post on cite HR, a wonderful platform to air your views truthfully and sincerely. Your perdicament which you have expressed, I believe is straight from your heart.
Now coming to the issue which you have raised. I take it that you have about about 2 years experience. With your kind of thinking person and the kind of commitment that you have shown to your job and the way you have expressed yourself shows that you have the capability to rise in your career. There are many executives who feel the way you feel today at this stage of the career, I believe this would be a turning point in your career. The choice that you make now will be crucial and only you can make this choice, advice from people like us is okay. As far as advice is concerned I believe you can not get better advice then what Mr Samvedan has said in his response, please read very carefully what he has said. I happen to know him personally, he is very experienced very learned and an excellent faculty and a consultant.
A change in your job profile at this stage would be a permnant change if you finally settle down to Training, it is an excellent option. But I guess for this you need a lot of experience and maturity. Take the steps suggested by Mr Samvedan, spend some money spend some time attending seminars and may be a few lectures in a good institute as an understudy to a trainer. If you do choose training as a career option, then do not look back, just go for it, do not make a half hearted attempt, training needs a lot of communications skills, a lot of patience a lot of smile on the face, listening skills etc etc. Work with a consulatnt for some time and ultimately go into your own consultancy firm, they do well money wise. Incidently I do plan myself to switch to training.
All the very best, God Bless you and God May lead you to a correct choice
Col L S Chadha (
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