I agree with all of your points and with utter due respect to everyone's comment I would like to make the following points.
1. It was commented that the HRs in MNC collects the required database and says that the requirement is closed.
But from where is this database collected, from Naukri and Monster...
Don't you think that these MNCs have their own logins.
On the other hand would it be not true that the openings really got freezed....???
2. It is simple... if you want to work in this field with big MNCs along with an ocean filled of competitors, its better to put on a thinking cap and consult about other facets of HR functions....
Because as it is the recruitment consultancy is the easiest of them all....
3. I myself come from the ocean of Consultancy...
but a fresher never view it as his career, instead he takes it as any easy way towards the corporate world...
Do you think this individual would need help of any recruiting consultancy...
4. I appreciate recruitment consultancies giving jobs to freshers (Paying Peanut's shells) even less than a person in call center.....
Where does ethics come into picture now....???
According to me this is a waste of investment that any companies would do with such unethical consultants.....
From India, Pune
1. It was commented that the HRs in MNC collects the required database and says that the requirement is closed.
But from where is this database collected, from Naukri and Monster...
Don't you think that these MNCs have their own logins.
On the other hand would it be not true that the openings really got freezed....???
2. It is simple... if you want to work in this field with big MNCs along with an ocean filled of competitors, its better to put on a thinking cap and consult about other facets of HR functions....
Because as it is the recruitment consultancy is the easiest of them all....
3. I myself come from the ocean of Consultancy...
but a fresher never view it as his career, instead he takes it as any easy way towards the corporate world...
Do you think this individual would need help of any recruiting consultancy...
4. I appreciate recruitment consultancies giving jobs to freshers (Paying Peanut's shells) even less than a person in call center.....
Where does ethics come into picture now....???
According to me this is a waste of investment that any companies would do with such unethical consultants.....
From India, Pune
Dear Mr Hari
If you read carefully, everybody has somebody to complain about. That becomes a lot of them out there and we can not ignore this.
Also I have mentioned about outstanding HR professionals who are a pleasure to work with and that there are some who follow unethical practices. Some Recruitment consultants , Trainers, and other HR professionals may also be following unethical practices, but we'll save that discussion for another day.
Also, I myself am part of the HR Community and I think so are the recruitment consultants, recruiters, Trainers, OD consultants etc etc who are taking part in the hiring process & other HR Functions from the inside or outside.
We are not outside the HR Community of India, unless you consider only those who are permanently employed with Corporates.
You can take this as a longstanding and suppressed outpour of problems within HR Community which invloves Corporate HR & recruitment & hiring practices nothing more.
All I am hoping is that something good comes out of this outpour of a discussion and that no one's feelings are hurt!
Capt Chand Pathak
From India, Lucknow
4If you read carefully, everybody has somebody to complain about. That becomes a lot of them out there and we can not ignore this.
Also I have mentioned about outstanding HR professionals who are a pleasure to work with and that there are some who follow unethical practices. Some Recruitment consultants , Trainers, and other HR professionals may also be following unethical practices, but we'll save that discussion for another day.
Also, I myself am part of the HR Community and I think so are the recruitment consultants, recruiters, Trainers, OD consultants etc etc who are taking part in the hiring process & other HR Functions from the inside or outside.
We are not outside the HR Community of India, unless you consider only those who are permanently employed with Corporates.
You can take this as a longstanding and suppressed outpour of problems within HR Community which invloves Corporate HR & recruitment & hiring practices nothing more.
All I am hoping is that something good comes out of this outpour of a discussion and that no one's feelings are hurt!
Capt Chand Pathak
From India, Lucknow
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS Mr. Captn I do agree with this point and we ( the firm i work for ) and I had three such experience the last two months and out of which two of clients are one of India's top rather leading companies in the Manufacturing sector...where we were sourcing for the Top Management...But lost as What to do about it ????:?:
Regards
Priya V
From India, Madras
Regards
Priya V
From India, Madras
Hello Friends,
It’s really surprising that 1,486 people have viewed this post and hardly less than 50 professional have replied to it.
I think this is one of the most important issue to be discussed.
Let me tell you in my company many of my colleagues are facing the same problem from the Corporate Recruiters / Staffing Specialist in corporate.
1. Not picking up calls
2. Asking the candidates to schedule and reschedule again and again. (That too Senior Candidates)
3. Showing as if only they are the only people has work rest of the Consultancies guys are sitting ideal and useless.
4. If they don’t have any requirements why unnecessarily they share the requirements with consultants. Inform us that it’s very urgent!!!!!!
5. If they are internally closing the position shared with the consultants then some of the HR doesn’t even have courtesy to inform the consultants to stop working on it.
6. We will burn the mid night oil to get best of best talent in market (The guys who are not absolutely in any job portals). But they really don’t care about it!!
Why these people doesn’t understand that we have not signed a contract for
TIME PASS. We really want to serve and do business so we have signed it.
We are also here to earn our bread and butter and complete our responsibilities properly.
I really don’t know but this year 2008 and 2009 is really bad for me.
I am really working with the worst HR’s on this earth. They are so bad that the Director/Technical managers are completing the HR responsibilities of aligning interviews and rest of activities. Mangers are more good and humble than these HRs.
I really miss 2006 and 20007 in which I have really worked with
the best HR’s on this earth. I really miss them a lot. Hope I get a chance to work with them again.
And now my situation is enough is enough…and the patience is really over…..
I don’t understand how to tackle these extra smart Staffing Specialist in corporate.
Regards,
Shruti
From India, Madras
It’s really surprising that 1,486 people have viewed this post and hardly less than 50 professional have replied to it.
I think this is one of the most important issue to be discussed.
Let me tell you in my company many of my colleagues are facing the same problem from the Corporate Recruiters / Staffing Specialist in corporate.
1. Not picking up calls
2. Asking the candidates to schedule and reschedule again and again. (That too Senior Candidates)
3. Showing as if only they are the only people has work rest of the Consultancies guys are sitting ideal and useless.
4. If they don’t have any requirements why unnecessarily they share the requirements with consultants. Inform us that it’s very urgent!!!!!!
5. If they are internally closing the position shared with the consultants then some of the HR doesn’t even have courtesy to inform the consultants to stop working on it.
6. We will burn the mid night oil to get best of best talent in market (The guys who are not absolutely in any job portals). But they really don’t care about it!!
Why these people doesn’t understand that we have not signed a contract for
TIME PASS. We really want to serve and do business so we have signed it.
We are also here to earn our bread and butter and complete our responsibilities properly.
I really don’t know but this year 2008 and 2009 is really bad for me.
I am really working with the worst HR’s on this earth. They are so bad that the Director/Technical managers are completing the HR responsibilities of aligning interviews and rest of activities. Mangers are more good and humble than these HRs.
I really miss 2006 and 20007 in which I have really worked with
the best HR’s on this earth. I really miss them a lot. Hope I get a chance to work with them again.
And now my situation is enough is enough…and the patience is really over…..
I don’t understand how to tackle these extra smart Staffing Specialist in corporate.
Regards,
Shruti
From India, Madras
Hello Friends,
It’s really surprising that 1,486 people have viewed this post and hardly less than 50 professional have replied to it.
I think this is one of the most important issue to be discussed.
Let me tell you in my company many of my colleagues are facing the same problem from the Corporate Recruiters / Staffing Specialist in corporate.
1. Not picking up calls
2. Asking the candidates to schedule and reschedule again and again. (That too Senior Candidates)
3. Showing as if only they are the only people has work rest of the Consultancies guys are sitting ideal and useless.
4. If they don’t have any requirements why unnecessarily they share the requirements with consultants. Inform us that it’s very urgent!!!!!!
5. If they are internally closing the position shared with the consultants then some of the HR doesn’t even have courtesy to inform the consultants to stop working on it.
6. We will burn the mid night oil to get best of best talent in market (The guys who are not absolutely in any job portals). But they really don’t care about it!!
Why these people doesn’t understand that we have not signed a contract for
TIME PASS. We really want to serve and do business so we have signed it.
We are also her to earn our bread and butter and complete our responsibilities properly.
I really don’t know but this year 2008 and 2009 is really bad for me.
I am really working with the worst HR’s on this earth. They are so bad that the Director/Technical managers are completing the HR responsibilities of aligning interviews and rest of activities. Mangers are more good and humble than these HRs.
I really miss 2006 and 20007 in which I have really worked with
the best HR’s on this earth. I really miss them a lot. Hope I get a chance to work with them again.
And now my situation is enough is enough…and the patience is really over…..
I don’t understand how to tackle these extra smart Staffing Specialist in corporate.
Regards,
Shruti
From India, Madras
It’s really surprising that 1,486 people have viewed this post and hardly less than 50 professional have replied to it.
I think this is one of the most important issue to be discussed.
Let me tell you in my company many of my colleagues are facing the same problem from the Corporate Recruiters / Staffing Specialist in corporate.
1. Not picking up calls
2. Asking the candidates to schedule and reschedule again and again. (That too Senior Candidates)
3. Showing as if only they are the only people has work rest of the Consultancies guys are sitting ideal and useless.
4. If they don’t have any requirements why unnecessarily they share the requirements with consultants. Inform us that it’s very urgent!!!!!!
5. If they are internally closing the position shared with the consultants then some of the HR doesn’t even have courtesy to inform the consultants to stop working on it.
6. We will burn the mid night oil to get best of best talent in market (The guys who are not absolutely in any job portals). But they really don’t care about it!!
Why these people doesn’t understand that we have not signed a contract for
TIME PASS. We really want to serve and do business so we have signed it.
We are also her to earn our bread and butter and complete our responsibilities properly.
I really don’t know but this year 2008 and 2009 is really bad for me.
I am really working with the worst HR’s on this earth. They are so bad that the Director/Technical managers are completing the HR responsibilities of aligning interviews and rest of activities. Mangers are more good and humble than these HRs.
I really miss 2006 and 20007 in which I have really worked with
the best HR’s on this earth. I really miss them a lot. Hope I get a chance to work with them again.
And now my situation is enough is enough…and the patience is really over…..
I don’t understand how to tackle these extra smart Staffing Specialist in corporate.
Regards,
Shruti
From India, Madras
Dear Shruti
I understand why you are so upset. I feel the young recruiters working with consultants have THE BIGGEST HEART amongst professionals. Recruitment requires a lot of skill, people expertise. Hard work & competence.
May be the HR professionals in some corporates are actually just INCOMEPETENT. Some may be both Unethical AND Incompetent. The recruters have no choice but to grin and bear their incompetence.
The time has come for the consultants to take over all the HR functions in corporates and not just Recruitments
Capt Chand Pathak
Creative Indians
From India, Lucknow
I understand why you are so upset. I feel the young recruiters working with consultants have THE BIGGEST HEART amongst professionals. Recruitment requires a lot of skill, people expertise. Hard work & competence.
May be the HR professionals in some corporates are actually just INCOMEPETENT. Some may be both Unethical AND Incompetent. The recruters have no choice but to grin and bear their incompetence.
The time has come for the consultants to take over all the HR functions in corporates and not just Recruitments
Capt Chand Pathak
Creative Indians
From India, Lucknow
Dear Friends
Eight Questions. Anyone brave enough to answer?
Capt Chand Pathak
From India, Lucknow
Eight Questions. Anyone brave enough to answer?
- What do you call a person who takes credit for some one else's hardwork?
- Who are these people who indulge in these unethical practices in cheating others of their hardwork?
- Why do they do these things? What are their compulsions & motivations?
- What kind of education would they have received?
- Can we call that education?
- What kind of upbringing , habits, lifestyles would these kind of people have?
- Are they themselves responsible or should we blame theri Teachers, Environment, System, Society.
- What can we do with these people? How do we treat them? Do they deserve respect?
Capt Chand Pathak
From India, Lucknow
Hello Capt. Pathak,
I just went through your post and all replies to it. Having worked in Consultancy as well as corporate culture, I do agree to the point raised by you and the facts attached to it.
However, in my opinion we have black sheeps in both the industries.....few Corporate HRs are definitely misusing their positions but not to forget about those consultants who encourage or in fact actually started this practice!
Everyone is trying to save their own jobs and not really thinking about the ways through which they are achieving this.
I would say that idealistically your view is to be appreciated and thought about but practically, either the whole system has to be changed or we will be just posting blogs and raising issues!
Though my view may sound a bit philosophical......but the fact remains that it is a vicious circle in which the Corporate HRs as well the Consultants keep on falling!
Regards
Meghna
From India
I just went through your post and all replies to it. Having worked in Consultancy as well as corporate culture, I do agree to the point raised by you and the facts attached to it.
However, in my opinion we have black sheeps in both the industries.....few Corporate HRs are definitely misusing their positions but not to forget about those consultants who encourage or in fact actually started this practice!
Everyone is trying to save their own jobs and not really thinking about the ways through which they are achieving this.
I would say that idealistically your view is to be appreciated and thought about but practically, either the whole system has to be changed or we will be just posting blogs and raising issues!
Though my view may sound a bit philosophical......but the fact remains that it is a vicious circle in which the Corporate HRs as well the Consultants keep on falling!
Regards
Meghna
From India
Dear Meghna
How right you are!
I believe you can't do much about the Black sheeps. I don't think they would have an intention to change themselves or the situation we are in. I feel these kind of dicussions can atleast stimulate conscience in those who may sitting on the fence so to say. All those who are capable of mending ways and awakening their conscience.
I agree it sounds like an idealistic crap to a lot of people...but then these are the people in question who need to addressed..right?? Somebody has to sound boring and idealistic :(
And each one of us has to start with self. I am reminded of Michael Jackson's beautiful song "Man in the Mirror"
I'm Gonna Make A Change,
For Once In My Life
It's Gonna Feel Real Good,
Gonna Make A Difference
Gonna Make It Right . . .
I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change...
Capt Chand Pathak
From India, Lucknow
How right you are!
I believe you can't do much about the Black sheeps. I don't think they would have an intention to change themselves or the situation we are in. I feel these kind of dicussions can atleast stimulate conscience in those who may sitting on the fence so to say. All those who are capable of mending ways and awakening their conscience.
I agree it sounds like an idealistic crap to a lot of people...but then these are the people in question who need to addressed..right?? Somebody has to sound boring and idealistic :(
And each one of us has to start with self. I am reminded of Michael Jackson's beautiful song "Man in the Mirror"
I'm Gonna Make A Change,
For Once In My Life
It's Gonna Feel Real Good,
Gonna Make A Difference
Gonna Make It Right . . .
I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change...
Capt Chand Pathak
From India, Lucknow
I just came across this posting and I thought I could first answer these questions as if it were put across to me. SEE MY REPLY IN RED COLOUR!
Dear Capt Chand Pathak...
I understand - some consultants have a bad time.
There is one thing that keeps my working relationship with a consultant really good - just becasue of their professionalism, the way they take their work serious... they dont nag us at THE WRONG TIMES. Never jus dumps resume like other consultants who just pull it from Naukri and Monster - and we already have those profiles. . . They nver try to force us to accept that the candidate is good.
becuase ultimately the corporate recruiter will have to complete the job in the specified time. . be it thru ad or a consultants help. if its a great profile. . why shuld they nt get back?
Big deal - be in constant touch with candidates and ask them if they received any call.
They have worked in such a way, that we reveal the names of ppl already in process.. . so they dpnt get back to us with the same profile.
And if u r saying only Indians are like that..plzzz. A leading fortune 500 Pharmaceutical Company(was also in papers for drugs related to vytorin and zetia) had hired my services during the initial period of my career - to find sales reps for the Central and west zone. Trust me - I sent close to 250 profiles in three months and they said they still did not hire. luckily during a call with the VP - HR, he said that no such positions existed. the Hiring Manager was fired - as he just used it as a database for future.
And we got access to their ATS and found that 2 candidtaes we submitted were already placed.
u know wat? They have still nt paid us for It. wat say??
From India, Madras
Dear Capt Chand Pathak...
I understand - some consultants have a bad time.
There is one thing that keeps my working relationship with a consultant really good - just becasue of their professionalism, the way they take their work serious... they dont nag us at THE WRONG TIMES. Never jus dumps resume like other consultants who just pull it from Naukri and Monster - and we already have those profiles. . . They nver try to force us to accept that the candidate is good.
becuase ultimately the corporate recruiter will have to complete the job in the specified time. . be it thru ad or a consultants help. if its a great profile. . why shuld they nt get back?
Big deal - be in constant touch with candidates and ask them if they received any call.
They have worked in such a way, that we reveal the names of ppl already in process.. . so they dpnt get back to us with the same profile.
And if u r saying only Indians are like that..plzzz. A leading fortune 500 Pharmaceutical Company(was also in papers for drugs related to vytorin and zetia) had hired my services during the initial period of my career - to find sales reps for the Central and west zone. Trust me - I sent close to 250 profiles in three months and they said they still did not hire. luckily during a call with the VP - HR, he said that no such positions existed. the Hiring Manager was fired - as he just used it as a database for future.
And we got access to their ATS and found that 2 candidtaes we submitted were already placed.
u know wat? They have still nt paid us for It. wat say??
From India, Madras
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