hi i m also facing this probs in my organisation. Do you have nay suggestion?? deepak malik
From India, Pune
1From India, Pune
In our company already one case is in court because one person had resigned during the bond period.
How can you say their is no bond in India.??????
Have you confirmed it with any advocatec for that?
Over to you
Pranita
From India, Delhi
How can you say their is no bond in India.??????
Have you confirmed it with any advocatec for that?
Over to you
Pranita
From India, Delhi
Pranita,
Its not that the case will not be heard in court. It means that the court will not rule in favour of the organization unless the bond content follows the principle of equal justice.
The prinicple of equal (equitable is the word - i think) justice is covered in commerce education in college (Business Law) and also in the MBA / PGD course which should have had Law as part of the course content.
Its surprising how many HR professionals think of incorporating bonds where this basic principle of law is not followed. Sometimes, appointment letters are also drafted which totally do not favour the employees, and they are signed because people have this fear of not getting jobs / employment.
Regards
Ryan
From India, Mumbai
Its not that the case will not be heard in court. It means that the court will not rule in favour of the organization unless the bond content follows the principle of equal justice.
The prinicple of equal (equitable is the word - i think) justice is covered in commerce education in college (Business Law) and also in the MBA / PGD course which should have had Law as part of the course content.
Its surprising how many HR professionals think of incorporating bonds where this basic principle of law is not followed. Sometimes, appointment letters are also drafted which totally do not favour the employees, and they are signed because people have this fear of not getting jobs / employment.
Regards
Ryan
From India, Mumbai
Hi
I am a new member to the site. This is nice to watch prfessionals exchanging views. thanks to it.
As of me concerned on this particular sub, your friend has to understand that the life is to take risk. If he is really interested in taking the foreign tour, then he may have to repay the benefits to the company. If not he has to try out something else. he may not be able satisfy all his need.
Moreover, as of cases, an individual can not be restricted by a bond without proper grounds. Ask your friend to discuss this with his hr person.
After all negotiation makes results.
wish him success..
soman
From India, Madras
I am a new member to the site. This is nice to watch prfessionals exchanging views. thanks to it.
As of me concerned on this particular sub, your friend has to understand that the life is to take risk. If he is really interested in taking the foreign tour, then he may have to repay the benefits to the company. If not he has to try out something else. he may not be able satisfy all his need.
Moreover, as of cases, an individual can not be restricted by a bond without proper grounds. Ask your friend to discuss this with his hr person.
After all negotiation makes results.
wish him success..
soman
From India, Madras
Many companies that send employees abroad for training, make them sign a bond similar to the one you mentioned.
I know of many employees that have not taken up offers made by the company for the very same reason that you stated.
There are two ways at looking at it.
A- the company may actually be playing a trick on you. or
B- the company genuinely wants to invest in you and upskill you to perform better at your work.
If your friend is convinced that he would be quitting the company, then I advise against him taking up the training.
Ralston Coelho
www.ralstonraz.blogspot.com
From India, Mumbai
I know of many employees that have not taken up offers made by the company for the very same reason that you stated.
There are two ways at looking at it.
A- the company may actually be playing a trick on you. or
B- the company genuinely wants to invest in you and upskill you to perform better at your work.
If your friend is convinced that he would be quitting the company, then I advise against him taking up the training.
Ralston Coelho
www.ralstonraz.blogspot.com
From India, Mumbai
Hi guys,
As i gather from the mail...it Unable that the company is not good and it is forcing its employees to go abroad for a week and sign a bond for 3 years.
No organization would send someone just for a week unless and until its really critical as they will be incurring about USD2000 for this whole trip. So if your friend is being sent for this assignment then he should be proud that he is the chosen one and the organization has faith in him that he can accomplish the job which is waiting there in the US to be done.
If your friend really feels that the company is not good and there is no growth for him there, then why is he sticking around and not looking for a new job?? Currently the market is so dynamic that he will easily get a job of his choice. If he has already tried and not getting a new job, then he needs to do a honest self-assessment.
Also, he has mentioned that employees who have go to US from this company are facing some problem. So what sort of problem are these??
There are lot of questions arising to me atleast so you guys should sit down and weigh all the pros and cons (a proper debate among yourself) and then decide. If he has a good rapport with his manager then he can voice his fears/concerns and sort out the tangle.
I hope this gives a new perspective to view and weigh a situation and arrive at a practical solution.
Warm regards
Roopa.
As i gather from the mail...it Unable that the company is not good and it is forcing its employees to go abroad for a week and sign a bond for 3 years.
No organization would send someone just for a week unless and until its really critical as they will be incurring about USD2000 for this whole trip. So if your friend is being sent for this assignment then he should be proud that he is the chosen one and the organization has faith in him that he can accomplish the job which is waiting there in the US to be done.
If your friend really feels that the company is not good and there is no growth for him there, then why is he sticking around and not looking for a new job?? Currently the market is so dynamic that he will easily get a job of his choice. If he has already tried and not getting a new job, then he needs to do a honest self-assessment.
Also, he has mentioned that employees who have go to US from this company are facing some problem. So what sort of problem are these??
There are lot of questions arising to me atleast so you guys should sit down and weigh all the pros and cons (a proper debate among yourself) and then decide. If he has a good rapport with his manager then he can voice his fears/concerns and sort out the tangle.
I hope this gives a new perspective to view and weigh a situation and arrive at a practical solution.
Warm regards
Roopa.
you know, the supreme court has declared a case void..where a female employee of Amercian Express Bank was sent to another country for extensive training, the ladt signed a bond..worth lakhs of rupees, when she came after training, she worked for some time and then joined another better assignment. The employee lodged a plea into court which finally reached to SC.
you can search SC cases at www.judis.nic.in by just entering appropriate seach words.
regards,
Umesh Chaudhary
(welcomeumesh@yahoo.com)
From India, Delhi
you can search SC cases at www.judis.nic.in by just entering appropriate seach words.
regards,
Umesh Chaudhary
(welcomeumesh@yahoo.com)
From India, Delhi
Hi
As per my view, ur friend shud not accept this offer.
And tell him to be very clear that he is not interested to go abroad.
So, they anyhow have to search for another alternative.
And meanwhile, pls tell ur friend to search for another job, as this wud always create a problem for him, and may come back in some different way.
Thanks and Regards,
Jennifer ISaac
From India, Mumbai
As per my view, ur friend shud not accept this offer.
And tell him to be very clear that he is not interested to go abroad.
So, they anyhow have to search for another alternative.
And meanwhile, pls tell ur friend to search for another job, as this wud always create a problem for him, and may come back in some different way.
Thanks and Regards,
Jennifer ISaac
From India, Mumbai
Well, I expect a sense of maturity and intelligence from my fellow HR Professionals.
Have empathy. Put yourself in the shoes of your employer and they examine, what he is doing.
Do you know know how much does it cost to send an employee for onsite project? You cann't have "tricks" to reduce attrition but you need to formulate "strategies". All big companies have this strategy. Like TCS, they send all their employees (Technical or Finctional) to USA for six months. Only people who serves the organization for 18 months are eligable and one is asked to sign a bond for two years. This is fair-enough.
Another, good company send their employees for SAP Training to Siemens, and they also take bond for one year.
Here, none of us is doing any charity. If the company is doing something for their employers...they want something in return.
Today, we say that there is no career and growth in BPO's. How it can be? Companies can give you career or growth, only if you are giving stability and consistent production.
Look at the bigger picture.
Regards
Sanjeev Himachali
(BLOG: http://sanjeevhimachali.blogspot.com/ and <link outdated-removed> )
From India, Mumbai
Have empathy. Put yourself in the shoes of your employer and they examine, what he is doing.
Do you know know how much does it cost to send an employee for onsite project? You cann't have "tricks" to reduce attrition but you need to formulate "strategies". All big companies have this strategy. Like TCS, they send all their employees (Technical or Finctional) to USA for six months. Only people who serves the organization for 18 months are eligable and one is asked to sign a bond for two years. This is fair-enough.
Another, good company send their employees for SAP Training to Siemens, and they also take bond for one year.
Here, none of us is doing any charity. If the company is doing something for their employers...they want something in return.
Today, we say that there is no career and growth in BPO's. How it can be? Companies can give you career or growth, only if you are giving stability and consistent production.
Look at the bigger picture.
Regards
Sanjeev Himachali
(BLOG: http://sanjeevhimachali.blogspot.com/ and <link outdated-removed> )
From India, Mumbai
Dear Sanjeev,
Let us compare apple to apple. If companies forming win -win strategies, then both employer and employee get benefitted. The company which I am talking is not belong to that category. Their intention is very clear. Also there are lot of evidence in the past that , the employees who sighned the bond were treated badly compare to others. I have great respect to companies which you mentioned. The culture & values varies from organization to organization and It is very difficult to explain them unless we experience it.
Hope you agree with me - Regards, Ramesh
From Singapore, Singapore
Let us compare apple to apple. If companies forming win -win strategies, then both employer and employee get benefitted. The company which I am talking is not belong to that category. Their intention is very clear. Also there are lot of evidence in the past that , the employees who sighned the bond were treated badly compare to others. I have great respect to companies which you mentioned. The culture & values varies from organization to organization and It is very difficult to explain them unless we experience it.
Hope you agree with me - Regards, Ramesh
From Singapore, Singapore
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