Dear All
I am very thankful to you all specialy to asha, before talking to you i was of the view because i am HR so i need to do all trditional functions of HR but now i come to the point that i should do what is needed to be done.
Thanks Asha Again
Thanks to all also
Shahid Munir
From Pakistan, Lahore
1I am very thankful to you all specialy to asha, before talking to you i was of the view because i am HR so i need to do all trditional functions of HR but now i come to the point that i should do what is needed to be done.
Thanks Asha Again
Thanks to all also
Shahid Munir
From Pakistan, Lahore
Dear Shahid and all,
I think we need to see the issue with different perspective and angle. Is it possible to have 3000 employees and run a profitable company without mission and vision? I think NO! Having no vision and mission itself is having vision and mission, only it is not written, that’s it! The Sky is The Limit! A different perspective.
Shahid check this mission and vision statement with your management and let me know if they agree with it.
From India, Pune
I think we need to see the issue with different perspective and angle. Is it possible to have 3000 employees and run a profitable company without mission and vision? I think NO! Having no vision and mission itself is having vision and mission, only it is not written, that’s it! The Sky is The Limit! A different perspective.
Shahid check this mission and vision statement with your management and let me know if they agree with it.
From India, Pune
Hi Shahid,
there's to be intervention from your senior Mgmt. they should draw the line and make evaluation mandatory. that's one thing. from what you are saying, it seems that your orgn. is growing without vision, mission. Come on!! if your top mgmt is seriously interested in the company's growth, they have to put their foot down and let HR do their duty.
From India, Madras
there's to be intervention from your senior Mgmt. they should draw the line and make evaluation mandatory. that's one thing. from what you are saying, it seems that your orgn. is growing without vision, mission. Come on!! if your top mgmt is seriously interested in the company's growth, they have to put their foot down and let HR do their duty.
From India, Madras
dear shahid,
i can realize your confusion about this issue, but i do agree with mpnahar there must be some mission or vision of the comapany which is not well articulated among the employees or otherwise not written some where, do ask your management regarding that, if its not present then you can go through the jobs one by one ask the employees about their task, how they are performing( not performace management but the authority they are given is according to their task or not) it will atleast help you out in job analysis to some extend. As far as mission and vision is concern to develop it need lot of time so first finish up with the given task and then involve yourself to convenice your top management in formulating the mission and vision
From Pakistan
i can realize your confusion about this issue, but i do agree with mpnahar there must be some mission or vision of the comapany which is not well articulated among the employees or otherwise not written some where, do ask your management regarding that, if its not present then you can go through the jobs one by one ask the employees about their task, how they are performing( not performace management but the authority they are given is according to their task or not) it will atleast help you out in job analysis to some extend. As far as mission and vision is concern to develop it need lot of time so first finish up with the given task and then involve yourself to convenice your top management in formulating the mission and vision
From Pakistan
Dear Shahid,
I can completely understand what you are going through as I have faced a similar situation. The only thing what you can do is just do what your boss had asked you.
Don't apply your own brains much because it will only make you frustrated.
Just as followed by many other companies, you also design the JD's and guidelines for the employees and do what is asked to be done by you and nothing more.
Rest the choice is yours.
Good Luck!
Kim.
From India, Pune
I can completely understand what you are going through as I have faced a similar situation. The only thing what you can do is just do what your boss had asked you.
Don't apply your own brains much because it will only make you frustrated.
Just as followed by many other companies, you also design the JD's and guidelines for the employees and do what is asked to be done by you and nothing more.
Rest the choice is yours.
Good Luck!
Kim.
From India, Pune
Dear All
As professionals paid to do a job, we cannot sit around and wait for all the conditions to be met before embarking on initiatives. Yes, it would be ideal if there was a Vision and Mission; and even more critical a formal Organization Structure before pursuing a Job Analysis project. But if these are not there, JA can still be effectively executed as a stand-alone project, as rightly said by Leo and Raj.
All the feedback todate is "theory-based". Hence I have attached 2 documents developed by myself adopting a "hands-on" approach. These materials are used in both public and internal Job Analysis Workshops conducted by me. Both documents must be read together to achieve the desired result.
All you need to do now is customized it to your needs. Please feel free to clarify.
Regards
Autumn Jane
From Singapore, Singapore
As professionals paid to do a job, we cannot sit around and wait for all the conditions to be met before embarking on initiatives. Yes, it would be ideal if there was a Vision and Mission; and even more critical a formal Organization Structure before pursuing a Job Analysis project. But if these are not there, JA can still be effectively executed as a stand-alone project, as rightly said by Leo and Raj.
All the feedback todate is "theory-based". Hence I have attached 2 documents developed by myself adopting a "hands-on" approach. These materials are used in both public and internal Job Analysis Workshops conducted by me. Both documents must be read together to achieve the desired result.
All you need to do now is customized it to your needs. Please feel free to clarify.
Regards
Autumn Jane
From Singapore, Singapore
Job analysis is merely the in-depth review of the components which make up a job. To begin, one must list the progression of the job duties, from start to finish in order to understand the full measure of the responsibilities and knowledge/ skill involved in the work. Job analysis can be used on the shop floor as well as in the corporate offices.
It is used for education (to provide potential replacements what the position is all about)training (for incumbents to remove deficiencies and improve efficiency), for safety ( to point out and make incumbents and potential replacements aware of job hazards that may be encountered and means and methods of accident prevention).
From United States,
It is used for education (to provide potential replacements what the position is all about)training (for incumbents to remove deficiencies and improve efficiency), for safety ( to point out and make incumbents and potential replacements aware of job hazards that may be encountered and means and methods of accident prevention).
From United States,
Dear All / Seniors,
I am agree with Mr. Raj and Mr. Leosir.
I have faced same problem in my company as we have a small IT company and there is no separate HR Dept. My management asks me to prepare JD's and KRA's for all the staff. After lot of searching on internet, I have started founding some material and also from this site. Now I have in the process of preparing JD's. Still I am facing lot of problems, I do not some words meaning as I am very new to this profession but inspite of all the problems, I will definitely complete my task.
One thing I would like to state that, I have posted one query regarding this topic some 4-5 months ago but unfortunately I did not got any response from this site.
Dont loose your patience and keep it up.
Thanks & Regards,
Suvarna
From India, Pune
I am agree with Mr. Raj and Mr. Leosir.
I have faced same problem in my company as we have a small IT company and there is no separate HR Dept. My management asks me to prepare JD's and KRA's for all the staff. After lot of searching on internet, I have started founding some material and also from this site. Now I have in the process of preparing JD's. Still I am facing lot of problems, I do not some words meaning as I am very new to this profession but inspite of all the problems, I will definitely complete my task.
One thing I would like to state that, I have posted one query regarding this topic some 4-5 months ago but unfortunately I did not got any response from this site.
Dont loose your patience and keep it up.
Thanks & Regards,
Suvarna
From India, Pune
Dear Shahid,
AOA,
Just start writing the job descriptions in start. Ask everybody state in writing what he/she performs, whats their key function, what is their qualification and experience and what key skill is required for that position.
Job analysis is the next step after you complete first.
Regards,
Muhammad Tariq Nadeem
Manager -HR
Varioline Intercool
Pakistan
From Pakistan
AOA,
Just start writing the job descriptions in start. Ask everybody state in writing what he/she performs, whats their key function, what is their qualification and experience and what key skill is required for that position.
Job analysis is the next step after you complete first.
Regards,
Muhammad Tariq Nadeem
Manager -HR
Varioline Intercool
Pakistan
From Pakistan
Dear Shahid and all,
Why one should worry about mission and vision, if it is not written? It is THE RESULT that matters the most! I have seen thousands of companies have their so called well written mission and vision everywhere including on their marketing materials and in reality they are far away from what they say in that!
To understand this second angle; here's an example - In ZEN spirituality sessions once a guy asked his master; 'what I have to do while meditating? Master replied – Do nothing! That is what second angle is.
According to my understanding Shahid’s management do not want to create the boundaries by stating mission and vision, nothing else.
Having mission and vision, specifically well written and defined, is a recent development in the world of business management. Earlier to that there were empires and business houses all over the world and they never had written vision and mission as per available information. They were doing very well!
One needs to understand this angle and only then probably one can literally see invisible mission and vision. Rest, job analysis and job description is relatively an easy task to do, anybody can do it. Challenge is in doing it in Shahid’s company.
Shahid I can see the vision and mission of your company clearly, rather it is hidden in the short intro of your company you have given earlier. Find it out and you are there!
From India, Pune
Why one should worry about mission and vision, if it is not written? It is THE RESULT that matters the most! I have seen thousands of companies have their so called well written mission and vision everywhere including on their marketing materials and in reality they are far away from what they say in that!
To understand this second angle; here's an example - In ZEN spirituality sessions once a guy asked his master; 'what I have to do while meditating? Master replied – Do nothing! That is what second angle is.
According to my understanding Shahid’s management do not want to create the boundaries by stating mission and vision, nothing else.
Having mission and vision, specifically well written and defined, is a recent development in the world of business management. Earlier to that there were empires and business houses all over the world and they never had written vision and mission as per available information. They were doing very well!
One needs to understand this angle and only then probably one can literally see invisible mission and vision. Rest, job analysis and job description is relatively an easy task to do, anybody can do it. Challenge is in doing it in Shahid’s company.
Shahid I can see the vision and mission of your company clearly, rather it is hidden in the short intro of your company you have given earlier. Find it out and you are there!
From India, Pune
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