Dear
Hire and fire is most common in abroad. Infact this kind of system is brought in and followed by most of the MNCs. They feel that money invested on hiring the new employees is far less than training the employee. Even if they are trained there is no surity that the employee is going to perform.
Now this has become a mantra for management. They hardly think twice before they hire employees or fire the employees.
From India, New Delhi
32Hire and fire is most common in abroad. Infact this kind of system is brought in and followed by most of the MNCs. They feel that money invested on hiring the new employees is far less than training the employee. Even if they are trained there is no surity that the employee is going to perform.
Now this has become a mantra for management. They hardly think twice before they hire employees or fire the employees.
From India, New Delhi
Hi,
This must be a good topic to discuss, me also once faced the same problem, and this reduces the attitude of people who worked sincerely for the organization and also this put a question mark to the employees career development.
thanks,
radha
From India, Madras
This must be a good topic to discuss, me also once faced the same problem, and this reduces the attitude of people who worked sincerely for the organization and also this put a question mark to the employees career development.
thanks,
radha
From India, Madras
hi Shweta,I can understand your anguish.The bigger the giant the more ruthless is the layoff.It is sad to see competent people leave.Firing to cut costs is a common practice during market recession,and these decisions are taken at the highest level,or they should be.The decision has to be deliberate and not panic driven as it appears in the case of ur org,as it involves careers and lives.Whom to fire ,is the next decision.Here the HR dept has to be incorporated.Some basis has to be set to fire employees,it cannot be done arbitarily.Relative merit in terms of competency,loyalty to the org,willingness to work for less,spheres of expertise are some of the parameters for relieving employees.Making life hell for someone simply to ease him out is crul and to a large extent immature/unprofessional.It is always better to be honest and upfront.To a large extent the employee should be convinced that the org has not retained someone less competent than him,and fired him.Firing to cut costs cannot be wished away,but it can definitely be handled in a honest,mature,fair and humane manner
From India, Delhi
From India, Delhi
Hi Shweta,
This is a good topic for a debate. Infact these things are happening very frequently with almost all sectors be it IT, ITES, BFSI, Pharma, Airine or anyother sector.
According to me this is way of reducing the cost and increasing the profit or reaching at breakeven level for sustaining in the market.
According to me companies which are project based face this kind of problems more as when they have good projects or orders they recruit people in numbers and when they finish up this project and if they do not have similar project or orders in hand then they start laying off people. This is the part of the business and they do it.
In most of the cases people who are sitting on bench or who are less productive are fired or asked to leave. People who are productive they face this music rarely. So one need to work on himself/herself so that they have the right skill set required for the job in ay sector.
Its all dependent on the economy , if it is growing it will generate more jobs and even people who are less qualified will get a job because the demand is high and supply is less. At the same time when economy is down only those people are secure who have the right skill set becasue then comapnies become very choosy to select people and they look for people who got multiskills inorder to have less manpower and maximum productivity inoder to sustain in the market.
HR is very much a part of business and its very important to understand this from business point of view why it is been done.
I have put my view points on the subject. I hope it would help you to understand this better.
Regards,
Surendra
From India, Surat
This is a good topic for a debate. Infact these things are happening very frequently with almost all sectors be it IT, ITES, BFSI, Pharma, Airine or anyother sector.
According to me this is way of reducing the cost and increasing the profit or reaching at breakeven level for sustaining in the market.
According to me companies which are project based face this kind of problems more as when they have good projects or orders they recruit people in numbers and when they finish up this project and if they do not have similar project or orders in hand then they start laying off people. This is the part of the business and they do it.
In most of the cases people who are sitting on bench or who are less productive are fired or asked to leave. People who are productive they face this music rarely. So one need to work on himself/herself so that they have the right skill set required for the job in ay sector.
Its all dependent on the economy , if it is growing it will generate more jobs and even people who are less qualified will get a job because the demand is high and supply is less. At the same time when economy is down only those people are secure who have the right skill set becasue then comapnies become very choosy to select people and they look for people who got multiskills inorder to have less manpower and maximum productivity inoder to sustain in the market.
HR is very much a part of business and its very important to understand this from business point of view why it is been done.
I have put my view points on the subject. I hope it would help you to understand this better.
Regards,
Surendra
From India, Surat
Dear Shweta,
In your reply to Tania on WHY HR?
You have mentioned as
HR acts as recruitor,Cost Centre,organization developer,manpower projection,budget projector,
HR helps organization to perform at it's best by providing the right person for the right job...
I think you quote but not act according to it.
When you say you are the Cost centre, Manpower projection, Budget Projector, Budget projector.
Then you should be knowing that if you are a budget provider,
How the company is performing?
Is it profitable?
can it accomodate enough manpower?
I think every one is agreeing that company cannot be blamed but you are pulling the string too long.
If you quote it then you mean it.
From Qatar, Doha
In your reply to Tania on WHY HR?
You have mentioned as
HR acts as recruitor,Cost Centre,organization developer,manpower projection,budget projector,
HR helps organization to perform at it's best by providing the right person for the right job...
I think you quote but not act according to it.
When you say you are the Cost centre, Manpower projection, Budget Projector, Budget projector.
Then you should be knowing that if you are a budget provider,
How the company is performing?
Is it profitable?
can it accomodate enough manpower?
I think every one is agreeing that company cannot be blamed but you are pulling the string too long.
If you quote it then you mean it.
From Qatar, Doha
It's a good topic to discuss in present scenario. Hard times are being faced by employees. When the things are going fine and till the US economy has taken its way downfall everything went well. Much business had been signed up by companies by showing the strength of manpower, and now to cover the financial problem due to US economy recission they are asking the employees to leave. Instead they can look into other alternative to cut the costs as advised by our friends in this forum.
But if we look in business men perspective, they had planned a lot for stabilizing the business and had provided lot of employement, so they might had thought of many alternatives and came to decision of cutting manpower to with stand in business in hard times.
Please let me know if iam going wrong....:icon1:
Vamsi......
From India, Hyderabad
But if we look in business men perspective, they had planned a lot for stabilizing the business and had provided lot of employement, so they might had thought of many alternatives and came to decision of cutting manpower to with stand in business in hard times.
Please let me know if iam going wrong....:icon1:
Vamsi......
From India, Hyderabad
Hi
In a lighter note, you just can't fire without hiring. Thus hiring is a must!!!
But on a serious note, I think we should look at the business perspective too. As we have been going global, our economy is not insulated any more unlike in past. If entire globe is affeted, we are only natural victims. Would you like to say that Lehmann Brothers filed for Chapter 11 to get extra happiness?
In our current legal system, it is not an easy option to fire. Thus I personally don't think companies enjoy shutting down in part or full. They also have other stake holders in addition to employees.
The only issue here is how wise is the downsizing process. How kindly it is handled and how much care is taken to inflict least pain. I assume, there is going to be no zero pain situation.
And part or the organization downsized only means that the other part is rightsized for survival. Some jobs are saved.
How many HR managers know that they are hiring so as to create a flock ready for firing? No one knows future. Not even Merryl Linch :-)
Regards,
In a lighter note, you just can't fire without hiring. Thus hiring is a must!!!
But on a serious note, I think we should look at the business perspective too. As we have been going global, our economy is not insulated any more unlike in past. If entire globe is affeted, we are only natural victims. Would you like to say that Lehmann Brothers filed for Chapter 11 to get extra happiness?
In our current legal system, it is not an easy option to fire. Thus I personally don't think companies enjoy shutting down in part or full. They also have other stake holders in addition to employees.
The only issue here is how wise is the downsizing process. How kindly it is handled and how much care is taken to inflict least pain. I assume, there is going to be no zero pain situation.
And part or the organization downsized only means that the other part is rightsized for survival. Some jobs are saved.
How many HR managers know that they are hiring so as to create a flock ready for firing? No one knows future. Not even Merryl Linch :-)
Regards,
Hi All,
Well I hv by nw seen posts in favor nd against d topic...,,, it's eventually gud, ,especially i'l comment on shweta nd shahed's hard work in puttin their posts,,,,gud job done by both,,,on one hand d issue raised is worth gettin notice itself,,,nd on the othr hand as an employee v need to undrstnd on y does these things happen..
I must appreciate the views mentioned by shahed, bt friend dn't u think dat smwhr down d line it eventually effects u evn,,,if u r an employee of a company,,, nd if nt...den a time wud cm wen it'l shw its effecton d cmin genration!!
Watevr mite b d reason,,,i hope things wud start bcomin favrble fr both employee and employer...ameen...:icon1::icon1::icon1:
From India
Well I hv by nw seen posts in favor nd against d topic...,,, it's eventually gud, ,especially i'l comment on shweta nd shahed's hard work in puttin their posts,,,,gud job done by both,,,on one hand d issue raised is worth gettin notice itself,,,nd on the othr hand as an employee v need to undrstnd on y does these things happen..
I must appreciate the views mentioned by shahed, bt friend dn't u think dat smwhr down d line it eventually effects u evn,,,if u r an employee of a company,,, nd if nt...den a time wud cm wen it'l shw its effecton d cmin genration!!
Watevr mite b d reason,,,i hope things wud start bcomin favrble fr both employee and employer...ameen...:icon1::icon1::icon1:
From India
Hi Shahed,
Yes I have mentioned and have acted accordingly but I guess you have not got it right......
Cost centre, Manpower projection, Budget Projector, Budget projector-Let me be specific this time as I know you again won't be able to understand.....
By all the terms mentioned above I meant of proper manpower planning(Which is done by HR only)...By Cost Cutting Measures I meant again cost cutting on the company's expenses as in stationary,printing cost,visiting cards,conveyance ,traveling etc..............(Might be in your Mid Sized Company these things won't but in Our we have major billings on these) & yes putting right and skilled people for right job is HR responsibility.........I understand that HR works according to the management decision but still.................
As far as Company's performance is concerned it has to be measured in the terms of projection of manpower....cost involved in it and major the strategy ...action plan we work on.... this has to be done before sanctioning of the manpower with the assumptions on that what would be the recruitment cost and what would be the risk involved in that if not able to meet up with the deadlines..........
In fact if I think you haven't read my reply on your post I have clearly stated that I am not blaming Companies for that...It is just an issue on why to Hire people....when really not needed....How can Management of any company who thinks that why is so mean????
If some body is not performing then Firing make sense but just because management thought they will be make it but unfortunately didn't...... doesn't make sense to fire anybody....I agree that what if employees break the bond or leaves the company ...in that case my friend HR do take hard action-Legal........& also I am not pulling the string too long I was replying to your specific Queries.......
This is about the management not about you & me...it would be appreciated if this can be stopped here as we can't change others mindset...might be with you it's okay but personally wid me it's not...Their should be a valid reason for the sacking of any employee ...Excess manpower indicates bad strategies(If not required)..........
You are being tough on this but as an employee if your management will fire you without giving the proper reason then you will understand the real pain of people who go through this.........There are lots of employees who are equally talented but are victim of this new management funda.........
I am again mentioning this not against HR but this just a thought to improvise the things if happening much around...A thought to plan better strategies....I strongly disagree on this but I am sure,you must be a tough HR in your Organization....Request you to plz don't make this argument personal...be it for the views only.....I have am disagreeing to the management decisions not yours......
I am happy that you work in some organization where might everything perfect but I used to work in a organization where skill full employees were hired but then sacked just because of the excessive manpower........... I mean the every single word I have written.......Hope that no more clarifications would be required and will apprecieate if not taken personaly.....
Thanks
Shweta Jaitly
From India, Coimbatore
Yes I have mentioned and have acted accordingly but I guess you have not got it right......
Cost centre, Manpower projection, Budget Projector, Budget projector-Let me be specific this time as I know you again won't be able to understand.....
By all the terms mentioned above I meant of proper manpower planning(Which is done by HR only)...By Cost Cutting Measures I meant again cost cutting on the company's expenses as in stationary,printing cost,visiting cards,conveyance ,traveling etc..............(Might be in your Mid Sized Company these things won't but in Our we have major billings on these) & yes putting right and skilled people for right job is HR responsibility.........I understand that HR works according to the management decision but still.................
As far as Company's performance is concerned it has to be measured in the terms of projection of manpower....cost involved in it and major the strategy ...action plan we work on.... this has to be done before sanctioning of the manpower with the assumptions on that what would be the recruitment cost and what would be the risk involved in that if not able to meet up with the deadlines..........
In fact if I think you haven't read my reply on your post I have clearly stated that I am not blaming Companies for that...It is just an issue on why to Hire people....when really not needed....How can Management of any company who thinks that why is so mean????
If some body is not performing then Firing make sense but just because management thought they will be make it but unfortunately didn't...... doesn't make sense to fire anybody....I agree that what if employees break the bond or leaves the company ...in that case my friend HR do take hard action-Legal........& also I am not pulling the string too long I was replying to your specific Queries.......
This is about the management not about you & me...it would be appreciated if this can be stopped here as we can't change others mindset...might be with you it's okay but personally wid me it's not...Their should be a valid reason for the sacking of any employee ...Excess manpower indicates bad strategies(If not required)..........
You are being tough on this but as an employee if your management will fire you without giving the proper reason then you will understand the real pain of people who go through this.........There are lots of employees who are equally talented but are victim of this new management funda.........
I am again mentioning this not against HR but this just a thought to improvise the things if happening much around...A thought to plan better strategies....I strongly disagree on this but I am sure,you must be a tough HR in your Organization....Request you to plz don't make this argument personal...be it for the views only.....I have am disagreeing to the management decisions not yours......
I am happy that you work in some organization where might everything perfect but I used to work in a organization where skill full employees were hired but then sacked just because of the excessive manpower........... I mean the every single word I have written.......Hope that no more clarifications would be required and will apprecieate if not taken personaly.....
Thanks
Shweta Jaitly
From India, Coimbatore
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