Education nowadays is oriented towards obtaining marks and grades. The students are not exposed to all-round development to face any type of general competition. Furthermore, one does not study in a field where employment potential is available. Once educated, they look for smart, white-collar jobs. In that area, job opportunities are congested, less, or saturated. There is a need for the study of job potential, guidance from planners, and the government to provide appropriate jobs for a good number of unemployed youth. This requires regular study and updating. For example, there are good opportunities for Chartered Accountants, Stenographers, etc. However, this may not last forever. The requirements need to be identified quite early. Why not so on and so forth.
From India, Nellore
Acknowledge(0)
Amend(0)
38From India, Nellore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
The topic under discussion was the employability of Indian graduates/postgraduates.
A lot of replies are very good and have rightly blamed our education system and the number of institutions churning out such candidates. The main point of the newspaper article was (although not specified) that our students have academic qualifications but do not possess the capabilities to be productive in a work environment. There is no positive interaction between industry and educational institutions. Our students do not gain practical knowledge or experience of what is required of them in the workplace. When they start work, they feel lost and/or the employer feels the need for further training to make them productive.
There can be numerous ways to improve this situation. But who will take the first step? The newspaper article was based on feedback from industry. Can businesses and industries come forward and suggest ways and means to improve this situation?
Take, for example, the IIM's, are those who pass out of these institutions employable or not employable? Of course, they are. Why? Because of the design of the curriculum and the partnership with industry. The same can be done with other institutions of learning. Where there is a will, there is a way.
There are many educational institutions in this country that produce exceptionally good talent, but those are very few. Today, everyone wants to get an engineering degree. From which institution it does not matter, that is because they are not able to get into the good institutions due to the competition or because their fees are very high.
There is so much to be said, but I will now stop and let others shed some light on this very urgent and critical situation. I am not an educationalist, so I will not be able to add value to this topic but have just mentioned a few of my thoughts.
Best regards
From India, Hyderabad
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
A lot of replies are very good and have rightly blamed our education system and the number of institutions churning out such candidates. The main point of the newspaper article was (although not specified) that our students have academic qualifications but do not possess the capabilities to be productive in a work environment. There is no positive interaction between industry and educational institutions. Our students do not gain practical knowledge or experience of what is required of them in the workplace. When they start work, they feel lost and/or the employer feels the need for further training to make them productive.
There can be numerous ways to improve this situation. But who will take the first step? The newspaper article was based on feedback from industry. Can businesses and industries come forward and suggest ways and means to improve this situation?
Take, for example, the IIM's, are those who pass out of these institutions employable or not employable? Of course, they are. Why? Because of the design of the curriculum and the partnership with industry. The same can be done with other institutions of learning. Where there is a will, there is a way.
There are many educational institutions in this country that produce exceptionally good talent, but those are very few. Today, everyone wants to get an engineering degree. From which institution it does not matter, that is because they are not able to get into the good institutions due to the competition or because their fees are very high.
There is so much to be said, but I will now stop and let others shed some light on this very urgent and critical situation. I am not an educationalist, so I will not be able to add value to this topic but have just mentioned a few of my thoughts.
Best regards
From India, Hyderabad
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
Dear friends,
After going through the postings of all of you, I have a basic question to put before you all.
Since many of you commented that our colleges, universities, etc., churn out millions of graduates, postgraduates, diplomats (is it a right usage, ha,ha), who are found wanting in the employment market, I am asking this -
Is it the duty of these institutions to prepare their wards for their employability? Is the onus on them if the wards fall short of expectations? Or, who should take the responsibility if they are not fit to be employed?
Prima facie, it is very easy to blame the inadequate curriculum, syllabi, extracurricular activities, and so on. Is it not good enough if these institutions are content with completing their syllabi and seeing their wards secure top rankings in their exams? Why should they or the syllabi cover employability as well? And a word of caution to all those who blame the syllabi, etc. - first answer what you mean by employability - I also take the lead - An engineer takes employment in a bank, and his/her engineering college should also provide training in banking in addition to engineering subjects so that he can be fit to seek a job in a bank. Similarly, a doctor secures IAS, IPS, etc., and his MBBS curriculum should include general knowledge, advanced English, world affairs, financial markets, etc. Like this, we can go on extending the subject.
I wish our members to continue this more pragmatically instead of with a touch of emotions.
More views could be added. What are the scenarios in advanced countries with regard to 'employability'? I think proficiency in English speaking, writing, and quoting phrases from Dr. Johnson or some Ugandan writer and such things alone shouldn't be considered as 'employability.'
From India, Bangalore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
After going through the postings of all of you, I have a basic question to put before you all.
Since many of you commented that our colleges, universities, etc., churn out millions of graduates, postgraduates, diplomats (is it a right usage, ha,ha), who are found wanting in the employment market, I am asking this -
Is it the duty of these institutions to prepare their wards for their employability? Is the onus on them if the wards fall short of expectations? Or, who should take the responsibility if they are not fit to be employed?
Prima facie, it is very easy to blame the inadequate curriculum, syllabi, extracurricular activities, and so on. Is it not good enough if these institutions are content with completing their syllabi and seeing their wards secure top rankings in their exams? Why should they or the syllabi cover employability as well? And a word of caution to all those who blame the syllabi, etc. - first answer what you mean by employability - I also take the lead - An engineer takes employment in a bank, and his/her engineering college should also provide training in banking in addition to engineering subjects so that he can be fit to seek a job in a bank. Similarly, a doctor secures IAS, IPS, etc., and his MBBS curriculum should include general knowledge, advanced English, world affairs, financial markets, etc. Like this, we can go on extending the subject.
I wish our members to continue this more pragmatically instead of with a touch of emotions.
More views could be added. What are the scenarios in advanced countries with regard to 'employability'? I think proficiency in English speaking, writing, and quoting phrases from Dr. Johnson or some Ugandan writer and such things alone shouldn't be considered as 'employability.'
From India, Bangalore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
My views are:
1. On one hand, we say that in India the education system should be liberated from government controls and should be free to do whatever they might do. And Governments should concentrate only on Civil and Border defense, macro policy-making, etc. On the other, we complain it has become a business because of the advent of mushrooming private institutions. Still, I don't deny government institutions also provide quality education, but at the same time, the general feeling is that most private institutions provide better education. Am I correct?
2. Compared to many developing and developed countries, our institutions are still not sufficient to cater to the needs of students. Hardly 50% of students passing out of schools get into colleges, and out of them, only 10-15% go on to higher studies. I agree education is becoming costlier not only with private institutions but also with government/aided institutions as well. That apart, we see pupils trekking miles to reach their classes in remote areas. Therefore, at least in quantity too, we are inadequate.
From India, Bangalore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
1. On one hand, we say that in India the education system should be liberated from government controls and should be free to do whatever they might do. And Governments should concentrate only on Civil and Border defense, macro policy-making, etc. On the other, we complain it has become a business because of the advent of mushrooming private institutions. Still, I don't deny government institutions also provide quality education, but at the same time, the general feeling is that most private institutions provide better education. Am I correct?
2. Compared to many developing and developed countries, our institutions are still not sufficient to cater to the needs of students. Hardly 50% of students passing out of schools get into colleges, and out of them, only 10-15% go on to higher studies. I agree education is becoming costlier not only with private institutions but also with government/aided institutions as well. That apart, we see pupils trekking miles to reach their classes in remote areas. Therefore, at least in quantity too, we are inadequate.
From India, Bangalore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
For many years, I have been advocating that every industry, maybe we can fix some norms, side by side start at least one Engineering college which should be made a pre-qualification to commence its operations. And every student should be taken as a student trainee in the industry, maybe they could be paid some remuneration as well. Similar to Medical colleges which are supposed to own at least a 300 bedded hospital. Like this, every business house of reasonable size should undergo such stipulations. And this could ensure the students coming out will have some sort of industry exposure.
From India, Bangalore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
From India, Bangalore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
Dear friend,
Education nowadays is oriented towards obtaining marks and grades, leaving students lacking in all-round development needed to face general competition. Additionally, students often overlook fields with employment potential, instead focusing on white-collar jobs. This has led to congestion and saturation in job opportunities in certain areas. There is a crucial need for studying job potential, receiving guidance from planners and the government, and securing appropriate jobs for a significant number of unemployed youth. This necessitates continuous study and updates. For instance, fields like Chartered Accountancy and Stenography currently offer good opportunities, but these trends may not persist indefinitely. It is essential to identify such opportunities early on.
1) Could you suggest an alternative method to assess a student's progress and knowledge upon completing their curriculum? How do you determine whether a student has passed or failed?
2) Chartered Accountants (CAs) face a rigorous examination process, with only a small percentage passing after multiple attempts. Vacancies for CAs are consistently available, especially considering the increasing number of financial scandals and frauds unearthed by auditors.
3) It is worth noting that stenographers have become scarce with the rise of IT. Typewriting and stenography institutions are closing down as children are introduced to computers at a young age. An illustrative example is a school student from Chennai who has been appointed as an Editor for an IT magazine based in Kuwait. This showcases the high level of literacy among today's youth.
I hope these insights provide valuable perspectives on the evolving landscape of education and employment opportunities.
Best regards,
[Your Name]
From India, Bangalore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
Education nowadays is oriented towards obtaining marks and grades, leaving students lacking in all-round development needed to face general competition. Additionally, students often overlook fields with employment potential, instead focusing on white-collar jobs. This has led to congestion and saturation in job opportunities in certain areas. There is a crucial need for studying job potential, receiving guidance from planners and the government, and securing appropriate jobs for a significant number of unemployed youth. This necessitates continuous study and updates. For instance, fields like Chartered Accountancy and Stenography currently offer good opportunities, but these trends may not persist indefinitely. It is essential to identify such opportunities early on.
1) Could you suggest an alternative method to assess a student's progress and knowledge upon completing their curriculum? How do you determine whether a student has passed or failed?
2) Chartered Accountants (CAs) face a rigorous examination process, with only a small percentage passing after multiple attempts. Vacancies for CAs are consistently available, especially considering the increasing number of financial scandals and frauds unearthed by auditors.
3) It is worth noting that stenographers have become scarce with the rise of IT. Typewriting and stenography institutions are closing down as children are introduced to computers at a young age. An illustrative example is a school student from Chennai who has been appointed as an Editor for an IT magazine based in Kuwait. This showcases the high level of literacy among today's youth.
I hope these insights provide valuable perspectives on the evolving landscape of education and employment opportunities.
Best regards,
[Your Name]
From India, Bangalore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
Dear Madhu,
I appreciate your narration highlighting Ramayana, Mahabharata, etc. Did you know how many Ramayanas are floating in India? And what do they ultimately teach us? Thousands of wives for King Dasaratha, the abduction of Seetha aboard Pushpaka vimana, the war with Ravana assisted by Hanuman god and his aids, and ultimately Rama testing the chastity of Seetha, his trusted wife. After all that, what next? My humble feeling is that the fiction of Ramayana should be deemed good enough only for those days and hardly has any relevance to current requirements. Imagine if we had to go to a gurukul under some sage and wanted to become an Engineer or Doctor. Similarly, with Mahabharata. These are good enough for stories to be filmed. How do you expect these tales to meet our current needs? Let us not be carried away by an emotional past; we are yet to surpass some small countries like Japan, devastated by World Wars. It's better if we talk less about Taiwan, Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, and China, etc.
Kind regards,
Madhusudan
From India, Bangalore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
I appreciate your narration highlighting Ramayana, Mahabharata, etc. Did you know how many Ramayanas are floating in India? And what do they ultimately teach us? Thousands of wives for King Dasaratha, the abduction of Seetha aboard Pushpaka vimana, the war with Ravana assisted by Hanuman god and his aids, and ultimately Rama testing the chastity of Seetha, his trusted wife. After all that, what next? My humble feeling is that the fiction of Ramayana should be deemed good enough only for those days and hardly has any relevance to current requirements. Imagine if we had to go to a gurukul under some sage and wanted to become an Engineer or Doctor. Similarly, with Mahabharata. These are good enough for stories to be filmed. How do you expect these tales to meet our current needs? Let us not be carried away by an emotional past; we are yet to surpass some small countries like Japan, devastated by World Wars. It's better if we talk less about Taiwan, Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, and China, etc.
Kind regards,
Madhusudan
From India, Bangalore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
Dear Kumar,
Thank you for your valuable insights on my posting wherein I quoted Ramayana, Mahabharata, etc. There may be many Ramayanas like Valmiki Ramayanam, Kamba Ramayanam, Molla Ramayanam, Nirvachanottara Ramayanam, etc. The common goal of all the presenters of all these Ramayanas is only one - propagating Good (by thought, word, and deed) and eliminating Evil (by thought, word, and deed) in society and establishing Dharma (righteousness) in society. I need not tell you what dharma is. Dharma is acting with conscience in how you think, what you speak, and what you do. My view is today's society is not following this. I tried to present my views on what good we can achieve by understanding and following the subtler meanings of the positive characters depicted in these epics. They are not fiction. They are called "Itihasas" - meaning "they happened as such." I don't know what made you think that these epics are not relevant for today's society. If you listen to the discourses given by renowned scholars like Sri Chaganti Koteswara Rao, you may understand the whole scheme of the birth of various characters presented in Ramayana by Valmiki Maharshi. He was a contemporary of Sri Rama. He was a close witness to the happenings in the Ayodhya kingdom and Sri Rama's rule. Take each character in Ramayana and try to understand how they behaved and presented themselves to society. There is good and there is bad, and finally, good won over evil.
Suppose somebody does a good thing to you; you thank the person as a token of gratitude, and if someone does harm to you, you retaliate. The logic is simple, whatever you give/do to others returns to you. Whatever was depicted in Ramayana and Mahabharata is reflecting in today's society. Did you ever read Ramayana and Mahabharata fully? My submission is you first read these epics fully and try to understand the inner and subtler meaning of the roles played by the characters in these epics. There are doctors and engineers in Sri Rama's army who could save the lives of Sri Rama and Lakshmana and who could construct a bridge that still lasts in the Indian Ocean between India and Sri Lanka. Is this not the strength of Gurukul education? Dasaradha may have 356 wives and three queens, but Sri Rama had only one wife, Sita Devi. Is it wrong to get back one's wife if someone abducts? Is it not the duty of Law to punish the wicked and crooked when lawlessness prevails in society? Sometimes, to get a good implemented in society we may have to apply some force.
What about the great scientists Kanada who invented Trasarenu, a small particle smaller than an atom? What about Aryabhatta and Varahamihira? What about the war strategies applied in the great war of Mahabharata by the great warriors like Bhishma, Drona, Arjuna, Drushtadyumna, and Pandavas? Were all these not taught education in Gurukuls? What about the great surgeons of India, Charaka, and Susruta? Were they not taught education in Gurukuls? If you visit some of South India temples, you may be astonished to know the architectural feats performed by our ancient civil engineers. All these great personalities were taught education in Gurukuls. You may observe one great thing in all those ancient teachers that they had no selfish motive in imparting value-based education and wisdom. Due to this unselfish attitude of our teachers, that, we still stand apart from others and compete with others. Why European countries and the US are earning so much wealth, I need not tell you. It is because of our knowledge and hardworking nature that they are earning. What I mean to say is this - Roots of the present lie in the Past.
I apologize if there is anything harsh in this that hurts your feelings.
With regards,
Madhusudan
From India, Vijayawada
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
Thank you for your valuable insights on my posting wherein I quoted Ramayana, Mahabharata, etc. There may be many Ramayanas like Valmiki Ramayanam, Kamba Ramayanam, Molla Ramayanam, Nirvachanottara Ramayanam, etc. The common goal of all the presenters of all these Ramayanas is only one - propagating Good (by thought, word, and deed) and eliminating Evil (by thought, word, and deed) in society and establishing Dharma (righteousness) in society. I need not tell you what dharma is. Dharma is acting with conscience in how you think, what you speak, and what you do. My view is today's society is not following this. I tried to present my views on what good we can achieve by understanding and following the subtler meanings of the positive characters depicted in these epics. They are not fiction. They are called "Itihasas" - meaning "they happened as such." I don't know what made you think that these epics are not relevant for today's society. If you listen to the discourses given by renowned scholars like Sri Chaganti Koteswara Rao, you may understand the whole scheme of the birth of various characters presented in Ramayana by Valmiki Maharshi. He was a contemporary of Sri Rama. He was a close witness to the happenings in the Ayodhya kingdom and Sri Rama's rule. Take each character in Ramayana and try to understand how they behaved and presented themselves to society. There is good and there is bad, and finally, good won over evil.
Suppose somebody does a good thing to you; you thank the person as a token of gratitude, and if someone does harm to you, you retaliate. The logic is simple, whatever you give/do to others returns to you. Whatever was depicted in Ramayana and Mahabharata is reflecting in today's society. Did you ever read Ramayana and Mahabharata fully? My submission is you first read these epics fully and try to understand the inner and subtler meaning of the roles played by the characters in these epics. There are doctors and engineers in Sri Rama's army who could save the lives of Sri Rama and Lakshmana and who could construct a bridge that still lasts in the Indian Ocean between India and Sri Lanka. Is this not the strength of Gurukul education? Dasaradha may have 356 wives and three queens, but Sri Rama had only one wife, Sita Devi. Is it wrong to get back one's wife if someone abducts? Is it not the duty of Law to punish the wicked and crooked when lawlessness prevails in society? Sometimes, to get a good implemented in society we may have to apply some force.
What about the great scientists Kanada who invented Trasarenu, a small particle smaller than an atom? What about Aryabhatta and Varahamihira? What about the war strategies applied in the great war of Mahabharata by the great warriors like Bhishma, Drona, Arjuna, Drushtadyumna, and Pandavas? Were all these not taught education in Gurukuls? What about the great surgeons of India, Charaka, and Susruta? Were they not taught education in Gurukuls? If you visit some of South India temples, you may be astonished to know the architectural feats performed by our ancient civil engineers. All these great personalities were taught education in Gurukuls. You may observe one great thing in all those ancient teachers that they had no selfish motive in imparting value-based education and wisdom. Due to this unselfish attitude of our teachers, that, we still stand apart from others and compete with others. Why European countries and the US are earning so much wealth, I need not tell you. It is because of our knowledge and hardworking nature that they are earning. What I mean to say is this - Roots of the present lie in the Past.
I apologize if there is anything harsh in this that hurts your feelings.
With regards,
Madhusudan
From India, Vijayawada
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
Friends,
The full text of the Indian Express article is attached. There are different views, one from the candidates' side and the other from employers' side. Isn't it fair on the part of employers to expect that fresh graduates should immediately satisfy the rigors of employment, and when they fall short, why should institutions be blamed? Of course, if the candidates don't exhibit basic knowledge on the subject, they should be blamed, not the curriculum or the institutions. The institutions can only teach common skills to all candidates, and it's up to them to digest and apply them in their employment requirements. Am I correct?
Thank you.
From India, Bangalore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)
The full text of the Indian Express article is attached. There are different views, one from the candidates' side and the other from employers' side. Isn't it fair on the part of employers to expect that fresh graduates should immediately satisfy the rigors of employment, and when they fall short, why should institutions be blamed? Of course, if the candidates don't exhibit basic knowledge on the subject, they should be blamed, not the curriculum or the institutions. The institutions can only teach common skills to all candidates, and it's up to them to digest and apply them in their employment requirements. Am I correct?
Thank you.
From India, Bangalore
Acknowledge(0)Amend(0)Engage with peers to discuss and resolve work and business challenges collaboratively - share and document your knowledge. Our AI-powered platform, features real-time fact-checking, peer reviews, and an extensive historical knowledge base. - Join & Be Part Of Our Community.
5s Check List Audit for workshops.pdf
HR Audit questionaire (2).xls
HR Audit Questionnaire.d oc