Hi Sujata,
Part time or through correspondence will be helpful to enhance your qualification while working in a similar function to be on par with others and also not to forget the benefits that are due to some people based on their qualifications. If I join a job as a graduate and I got a masters through correspondence or part time during my job this will give weightage to my profile which will be considered at the time of performance review. This way it is useful and this is not useful for joining a mainstream job and definitely you got to have a regular degree as it consists lot of field work and project works to do where interaction with organizations and other relevant agencies which is quite essential is possible in regular stream rather than through correspondence and part time where such kind of interaction thing is less or nil in some cases.
Kindly correct me Archna, if I am wrong.
Regards,
PRADEEP
From India, Hyderabad
9Part time or through correspondence will be helpful to enhance your qualification while working in a similar function to be on par with others and also not to forget the benefits that are due to some people based on their qualifications. If I join a job as a graduate and I got a masters through correspondence or part time during my job this will give weightage to my profile which will be considered at the time of performance review. This way it is useful and this is not useful for joining a mainstream job and definitely you got to have a regular degree as it consists lot of field work and project works to do where interaction with organizations and other relevant agencies which is quite essential is possible in regular stream rather than through correspondence and part time where such kind of interaction thing is less or nil in some cases.
Kindly correct me Archna, if I am wrong.
Regards,
PRADEEP
From India, Hyderabad
Hi,
i wanted to talk about the policy of the MNC nowa days that they wont hire an part time student.We wont know where the real talent is,some one said nicely that anil ambani nor bill gates was a MS in computers.but the talent has to be meassured.but by publishing that the company doesnt invite application from any of the parttime graduates,they really dont give a chance and they r not being fair.
This is not a prob in US and UK,where education whether parttime and full time are given very good recognition.Mr,sanjeev said,when i get a regular graduate why shld i take a parttime graduate.This is not fair,Y not u take the best talent rather than have such blind faith that only students who has done education through regular b schools wld be the best .
there are many students out here who want to get the best education ,but couldnt afford those.Not everyone wld be able to do a full time course,and there are many people with hidden talents and a real interest in the subject ,for which they try their maximum to get the education they can afford and improve their knowledge.
whatever,the course be,parttime,or full time,everyone should be atleast given a oppurtunity to prove themselves.
From India, Madras
i wanted to talk about the policy of the MNC nowa days that they wont hire an part time student.We wont know where the real talent is,some one said nicely that anil ambani nor bill gates was a MS in computers.but the talent has to be meassured.but by publishing that the company doesnt invite application from any of the parttime graduates,they really dont give a chance and they r not being fair.
This is not a prob in US and UK,where education whether parttime and full time are given very good recognition.Mr,sanjeev said,when i get a regular graduate why shld i take a parttime graduate.This is not fair,Y not u take the best talent rather than have such blind faith that only students who has done education through regular b schools wld be the best .
there are many students out here who want to get the best education ,but couldnt afford those.Not everyone wld be able to do a full time course,and there are many people with hidden talents and a real interest in the subject ,for which they try their maximum to get the education they can afford and improve their knowledge.
whatever,the course be,parttime,or full time,everyone should be atleast given a oppurtunity to prove themselves.
From India, Madras
Dear Sujata,
Nice topic to start.
The first thing I would like to say is that both Full Time and Distance have values at their places. It the level at which they are differentiated. The Full Time MBA programmes except a few add very little value.
In Western Countries you need to have work expereinces to enroll in Top Management Schools unlike here. So, the real objective of a MBA which is totally based on American Corporate Philosophy is lost and hence the disparity here in India, among Institutes itself and not the program. MBA is not based on Indian Management System.
The IIMs and IITs get the value because of a reason which is totally different. The reason being that you need to be dedicated, determined, well organised and a goal achiever to get selected and you succeed in a tough and fierce competitive atmosphere. This gives an indication to the fact that the person has the right bend of mind to succeed in this world, which again may or may not be true, but since the majority of IITS and IIMs have brilliant brains they are successful in majority of cases.
Now, why the DLPs donot get value. The reason is not that they are not worth, but to get enrolled you donot have any stringent selection procedure. There is no fixed Exam Schedule, i.e, if you want you can skip an Exam and appear for the rest. So, the quality of the candidate cannot be determined and sometimes sadly people in India only go for DLPs when they are not eligible for other courses. This is why freshers with DLPs are not preferred.
For experienced candidate it really doesnot matter whether you are a DLP Graduate or a Full Time Graduate. Does it really matter whether Russy Modi is a Full Time Graduate or Part Time Graduate?? Majority of successful people are non-MBAs.
The last disadvantage is that Management DLP providers donot advertise and propagate the course properly neither they are interested in Marketing it. They are only inerested in making money by attracting students with poor track records.
Sujata, just remember to refer to Chartered Accountancy,Company Secretary, Cost Accountancy and CFAs. They are all DLPs and not full time courses and this much I can tell you that a CA can always give a MBA(Finance) from IIMs a run for their money.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
Nice topic to start.
The first thing I would like to say is that both Full Time and Distance have values at their places. It the level at which they are differentiated. The Full Time MBA programmes except a few add very little value.
In Western Countries you need to have work expereinces to enroll in Top Management Schools unlike here. So, the real objective of a MBA which is totally based on American Corporate Philosophy is lost and hence the disparity here in India, among Institutes itself and not the program. MBA is not based on Indian Management System.
The IIMs and IITs get the value because of a reason which is totally different. The reason being that you need to be dedicated, determined, well organised and a goal achiever to get selected and you succeed in a tough and fierce competitive atmosphere. This gives an indication to the fact that the person has the right bend of mind to succeed in this world, which again may or may not be true, but since the majority of IITS and IIMs have brilliant brains they are successful in majority of cases.
Now, why the DLPs donot get value. The reason is not that they are not worth, but to get enrolled you donot have any stringent selection procedure. There is no fixed Exam Schedule, i.e, if you want you can skip an Exam and appear for the rest. So, the quality of the candidate cannot be determined and sometimes sadly people in India only go for DLPs when they are not eligible for other courses. This is why freshers with DLPs are not preferred.
For experienced candidate it really doesnot matter whether you are a DLP Graduate or a Full Time Graduate. Does it really matter whether Russy Modi is a Full Time Graduate or Part Time Graduate?? Majority of successful people are non-MBAs.
The last disadvantage is that Management DLP providers donot advertise and propagate the course properly neither they are interested in Marketing it. They are only inerested in making money by attracting students with poor track records.
Sujata, just remember to refer to Chartered Accountancy,Company Secretary, Cost Accountancy and CFAs. They are all DLPs and not full time courses and this much I can tell you that a CA can always give a MBA(Finance) from IIMs a run for their money.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
As I mentioned earlier that when companies hire people...the order of preference is as follows:
1) Full Time MBA's from top 25 Management Schools in India
2) Full Time MBA's from not so good institutes with slightly more experience compare to people from top 25 institutes.
3) Candidates with Executive-MBA
4) Correspondence MBA's from Good Universities and Institutes
5) Correspondence MBA's from Other Institutes.
Certainly, there is a difference between Regular and correspondence/distance MBA.
Here are few...
1) Stringent Selection Process...in case of regular MBA's. Passing entrances like CAT, XAT...etc is not easy. Seats are less and people are more. That shows competitiveness among the people, who pursue regular MBA...that too from good institute. Secondly, there comes the fees...if someone is doing regular MBA...he is paying anything like...5-7 lakhs for his MBA. Correspondence MBA cost you, not more than 50,000/-.
2) I said earlier also...MBA is not about education and knowledge...it is about Grooming. Building Leadership Skills; Motivation Teams; Planning Strategies; Understanding the Business; Planning Profits; Risk Taking, Time Management, Handling Finances and other related things. Such things, one cannot learn on his own. He need proper coaching, guidance and grooming. These are the areas...where regular MBA's score over correspondence MBA's. In correspondence MBA, the only motto of the person is to pass the exam. Just for the benefit of readers...number of Case Studies handled or solved by a MBA Student in Correspondence in not even 5% of the total Case Studies Solved by a Regular MBA.
3) Then comes, your life style and stay. In most of the regular MBA's, you are expected to stay in the Campus of the Institute. No festival. No Family. No Home Made Food. That is also part of Grooming the Future Managers.
After going through all these hassles...now you tell me, why I should not go for a Candidate with Regular MBA.
This has nothing to demotivate people with Correspondence MBA. But, then need to try and grow with the organization rather than seeking out for job opportunities, immediately after the completion of the MBA. I gave the example of food in 5-Star Hotel and Food in Regular Restaurant. So, you need to have Patience...be positive...and even those who have devoted their time by doing Correspondence MBA...will surely get right opportunity at right time.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
1) Full Time MBA's from top 25 Management Schools in India
2) Full Time MBA's from not so good institutes with slightly more experience compare to people from top 25 institutes.
3) Candidates with Executive-MBA
4) Correspondence MBA's from Good Universities and Institutes
5) Correspondence MBA's from Other Institutes.
Certainly, there is a difference between Regular and correspondence/distance MBA.
Here are few...
1) Stringent Selection Process...in case of regular MBA's. Passing entrances like CAT, XAT...etc is not easy. Seats are less and people are more. That shows competitiveness among the people, who pursue regular MBA...that too from good institute. Secondly, there comes the fees...if someone is doing regular MBA...he is paying anything like...5-7 lakhs for his MBA. Correspondence MBA cost you, not more than 50,000/-.
2) I said earlier also...MBA is not about education and knowledge...it is about Grooming. Building Leadership Skills; Motivation Teams; Planning Strategies; Understanding the Business; Planning Profits; Risk Taking, Time Management, Handling Finances and other related things. Such things, one cannot learn on his own. He need proper coaching, guidance and grooming. These are the areas...where regular MBA's score over correspondence MBA's. In correspondence MBA, the only motto of the person is to pass the exam. Just for the benefit of readers...number of Case Studies handled or solved by a MBA Student in Correspondence in not even 5% of the total Case Studies Solved by a Regular MBA.
3) Then comes, your life style and stay. In most of the regular MBA's, you are expected to stay in the Campus of the Institute. No festival. No Family. No Home Made Food. That is also part of Grooming the Future Managers.
After going through all these hassles...now you tell me, why I should not go for a Candidate with Regular MBA.
This has nothing to demotivate people with Correspondence MBA. But, then need to try and grow with the organization rather than seeking out for job opportunities, immediately after the completion of the MBA. I gave the example of food in 5-Star Hotel and Food in Regular Restaurant. So, you need to have Patience...be positive...and even those who have devoted their time by doing Correspondence MBA...will surely get right opportunity at right time.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
mr.sanjeev,
u dont seem to understand the topic discussed and the points emphasised.we were talking about y students persuing the distance education are not even given a chance or not even interviewed.
quoted= "Then comes, your life style and stay. In most of the regular MBA's, you are expected to stay in the Campus of the Institute. No festival. No Family. No Home Made Food. That is also part of Grooming the Future Managers."
This is what u said,so then where is the family value,and this is not a healthy lifestyle.
quoted ="Passing entrances like CAT, XAT...etc is not easy. Seats are less and people are more. That shows competitiveness among the people, who pursue regular MBA...that too from good institute. Secondly, there comes the fees...if someone is doing regular MBA...he is paying anything like...5-7 lakhs for his MBA. Correspondence MBA cost you, not more than 50,000/-."
we never deny the fact that entrance examination are easier to pass,we know it is very difficult and competitive,and from ur words it shows only people who spend so many lakhs are groomed well.who asked u not to take them and give an oppurtunity.our voice is y do u have a policy that u wont even interview or find out the candidates knowledge and have just a blind faith that distance education candidates are just doing the course just to pass.
Everybody cant afford the money to do a regular course and thats y the government has certain facilities like the distance education system to help students who want to persue their studies ,,but if companies and HR like you are partial ,then it is like u r against the government.Being in such reputed position people like u can very well help the deserving candidates and make education value based,knowledge based and skill based,NOT MONEY BASED.
Just tell me,if a poor student who has good interest in the subject ,but couldnt afford the education,try to complete the education through such channels provided,and get himself employed meanwhile and learn a lot of practical knowledge while working,then it is also grooming.
But,u say,unless
he has spent 5-7 lakhs
he has earned a regular MBA
he has stayed in the campus forgetting his family,not celebrating cultural festivals ,
and he hasnt been spoon feeded,
HE IS NOT GROMMED WELL.
Y such a partiality.
WE are never against regular MBA,we know the hard work they put,the competitive exam they face and the hard work they do.u give first preference to them ,no preb.But y this partiality of not even accepting the application of a distance education candidate?without knowing he has been grommed well or not.
atleast give them a chance to prove themselves,rather than a blind faith.
From India, Madras
u dont seem to understand the topic discussed and the points emphasised.we were talking about y students persuing the distance education are not even given a chance or not even interviewed.
quoted= "Then comes, your life style and stay. In most of the regular MBA's, you are expected to stay in the Campus of the Institute. No festival. No Family. No Home Made Food. That is also part of Grooming the Future Managers."
This is what u said,so then where is the family value,and this is not a healthy lifestyle.
quoted ="Passing entrances like CAT, XAT...etc is not easy. Seats are less and people are more. That shows competitiveness among the people, who pursue regular MBA...that too from good institute. Secondly, there comes the fees...if someone is doing regular MBA...he is paying anything like...5-7 lakhs for his MBA. Correspondence MBA cost you, not more than 50,000/-."
we never deny the fact that entrance examination are easier to pass,we know it is very difficult and competitive,and from ur words it shows only people who spend so many lakhs are groomed well.who asked u not to take them and give an oppurtunity.our voice is y do u have a policy that u wont even interview or find out the candidates knowledge and have just a blind faith that distance education candidates are just doing the course just to pass.
Everybody cant afford the money to do a regular course and thats y the government has certain facilities like the distance education system to help students who want to persue their studies ,,but if companies and HR like you are partial ,then it is like u r against the government.Being in such reputed position people like u can very well help the deserving candidates and make education value based,knowledge based and skill based,NOT MONEY BASED.
Just tell me,if a poor student who has good interest in the subject ,but couldnt afford the education,try to complete the education through such channels provided,and get himself employed meanwhile and learn a lot of practical knowledge while working,then it is also grooming.
But,u say,unless
he has spent 5-7 lakhs
he has earned a regular MBA
he has stayed in the campus forgetting his family,not celebrating cultural festivals ,
and he hasnt been spoon feeded,
HE IS NOT GROMMED WELL.
Y such a partiality.
WE are never against regular MBA,we know the hard work they put,the competitive exam they face and the hard work they do.u give first preference to them ,no preb.But y this partiality of not even accepting the application of a distance education candidate?without knowing he has been grommed well or not.
atleast give them a chance to prove themselves,rather than a blind faith.
From India, Madras
Premlatha...thanks for your detailed comment. I never said that people with correspondence MBA should not get chance. Now, the word "Chance" is very vague. Who have time to screen those many candidates...to select the one? Knowledge, I don't have any doubt that if you have done your MBA...along with your work, you might be having more knowledge...but that is not the only thing that companies need, there are lot many other things...which I have mentioned with my previous comment. I also mentioned, how selection process works...this is how corporates give the preferences.
1) Full Time MBA's from top 25 Management Schools in India
2) Full Time MBA's from not so good institutes with slightly more experience compare to people from top 25 institutes.
3) Candidates with Executive-MBA
4) Correspondence MBA's from Good Universities and Institutes
5) Correspondence MBA's from Other Institutes.
I will give you some more examples...I have shared the example of Job Advertisement given by Google India...where they got more than 1200 applications for one post. Even in our Company we had 46 openings for Senior Professionals...and we got more than 3200 "Relevant" profiles. This happened after we gave the rider that we want full time MBA's. Imagine, if I don't put this rider...then where my selection process will go? In the era...where time is running like hell...nobody have time.
In your previous posting also I mentioned that it is like eating at a Five-Star hotel and Eating at a Normal Restaurants. Yes, only those who have that type of budget can go and stay or eat in Five-Star hotels...as I mentioned that Regular MBA is costly.
That has nothing to take away from those who are not able to do Regular MBA...I mentioned earlier as well and I am mentioning again...Patience is important. Have Positive thinking don't get frustrated but wait for right opportunity. There are many companies who don't ask for full-time MBA's. Don't try to jump...immediately after the completion of your MBA. Follow the ladder. If after completing my MBA if I am trying to explore opportunity with IBM or Microsoft or Infosys or Wipro...that will never happen.
So, once again...be positive, don't get frustrated, try to add other skills to your profile...follow the ladder.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
1) Full Time MBA's from top 25 Management Schools in India
2) Full Time MBA's from not so good institutes with slightly more experience compare to people from top 25 institutes.
3) Candidates with Executive-MBA
4) Correspondence MBA's from Good Universities and Institutes
5) Correspondence MBA's from Other Institutes.
I will give you some more examples...I have shared the example of Job Advertisement given by Google India...where they got more than 1200 applications for one post. Even in our Company we had 46 openings for Senior Professionals...and we got more than 3200 "Relevant" profiles. This happened after we gave the rider that we want full time MBA's. Imagine, if I don't put this rider...then where my selection process will go? In the era...where time is running like hell...nobody have time.
In your previous posting also I mentioned that it is like eating at a Five-Star hotel and Eating at a Normal Restaurants. Yes, only those who have that type of budget can go and stay or eat in Five-Star hotels...as I mentioned that Regular MBA is costly.
That has nothing to take away from those who are not able to do Regular MBA...I mentioned earlier as well and I am mentioning again...Patience is important. Have Positive thinking don't get frustrated but wait for right opportunity. There are many companies who don't ask for full-time MBA's. Don't try to jump...immediately after the completion of your MBA. Follow the ladder. If after completing my MBA if I am trying to explore opportunity with IBM or Microsoft or Infosys or Wipro...that will never happen.
So, once again...be positive, don't get frustrated, try to add other skills to your profile...follow the ladder.
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
Hi
Thanks to all for your inputs.
Dear Sanjeev
It is not a matter of frustration. We all are saying that companies do hire part time MBA's or Correspondence. But how many of us have really faced this problem the problem faced by Prem Latha or any other person who has done part time / Correspondence MBA. I am sure Pem latha must be facing the same problem. So she knows very well. Infact I have also got instruction from my Mgr. that we would not consider part time MBA though mine company is not MNC
So the question is those who have done part time MBA / Correspondence can't work for MNC? I think companies should see where the talent is.
Regards
Sujata
From India, Faridabad
Thanks to all for your inputs.
Dear Sanjeev
It is not a matter of frustration. We all are saying that companies do hire part time MBA's or Correspondence. But how many of us have really faced this problem the problem faced by Prem Latha or any other person who has done part time / Correspondence MBA. I am sure Pem latha must be facing the same problem. So she knows very well. Infact I have also got instruction from my Mgr. that we would not consider part time MBA though mine company is not MNC
So the question is those who have done part time MBA / Correspondence can't work for MNC? I think companies should see where the talent is.
Regards
Sujata
From India, Faridabad
hi ,
i would like to say that " everyone is competent and if given the oppurtunity he\she will perform"........" there cant be any difference bet: top 25 and bottom 25 but as an hr manager one has to find out whether he\she is competent or not....and u cant simply deny an opportunity because he \she has done part time........
some guys have said in the article about the students who gets into top 25 b schools r intelligent but we have to look into other factors like
1)skills
2)attitude
3)value systems
ramadorai TCS CEO said i quote" we looks for attitude and train for skills"........
From India
i would like to say that " everyone is competent and if given the oppurtunity he\she will perform"........" there cant be any difference bet: top 25 and bottom 25 but as an hr manager one has to find out whether he\she is competent or not....and u cant simply deny an opportunity because he \she has done part time........
some guys have said in the article about the students who gets into top 25 b schools r intelligent but we have to look into other factors like
1)skills
2)attitude
3)value systems
ramadorai TCS CEO said i quote" we looks for attitude and train for skills"........
From India
Hi,
I had discussion with few Managers(Leaders) who are in the industry for more than a decade and every one accepts that they hire the MBA's and they don't fit to the organisation and for that case through lateral recruitment they always prefer to hire people with Industry knowledge and work experience. Here there some thing which we need to look into every time while we look at the opportunity or we design the career we need to look what suits us and not how we go and fight in the crowd where you loose your identity in a period of time.
Hiring fresh and experienced MBA's are literal branding tool and I don't belive that people who do that or a part of that will accept what they do. I recommend you to go a head and find out the roles which will suit you personally and professional. Once you identify that you might take a little long time than others till the middle management level. (This is because every one believes that only education makes a man or woman and nothing else) After that it purely depends on you efforts and passion to achieve.
lets celebrate success.
regards
Vijay
From India, Coimbatore
I had discussion with few Managers(Leaders) who are in the industry for more than a decade and every one accepts that they hire the MBA's and they don't fit to the organisation and for that case through lateral recruitment they always prefer to hire people with Industry knowledge and work experience. Here there some thing which we need to look into every time while we look at the opportunity or we design the career we need to look what suits us and not how we go and fight in the crowd where you loose your identity in a period of time.
Hiring fresh and experienced MBA's are literal branding tool and I don't belive that people who do that or a part of that will accept what they do. I recommend you to go a head and find out the roles which will suit you personally and professional. Once you identify that you might take a little long time than others till the middle management level. (This is because every one believes that only education makes a man or woman and nothing else) After that it purely depends on you efforts and passion to achieve.
lets celebrate success.
regards
Vijay
From India, Coimbatore
Thanks...Vijay and Sujata...
I never said that people with correspondence MBA’s don’t get the jobs or they are not doing well in career. All I am saying is…look for right type of opportunities in right type of industries. Try to grow step-by-step. Have Patience.
All other things like selection process and selection preferences, I have already explained.
If you know…there is career difference even between those who are from Good Institutes and those who are not from good institutes because they get initial break and good start-up package. That difference can be reduced with step-by-step growth. Same is true for Regular MBA’s and Correspondence MBA’s…no doubt there is difference…nothing is hidden about the preferences of companies…but that difference can be reduced in a step-by-step growth.
Will it be more appropriate for companies to call everyone for interview and then eliminate that who have done their MBA through distance mode…in the selection process or is it more appropriate to call only suitable people for selection process? Let me know, which hurts less??
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
I never said that people with correspondence MBA’s don’t get the jobs or they are not doing well in career. All I am saying is…look for right type of opportunities in right type of industries. Try to grow step-by-step. Have Patience.
All other things like selection process and selection preferences, I have already explained.
If you know…there is career difference even between those who are from Good Institutes and those who are not from good institutes because they get initial break and good start-up package. That difference can be reduced with step-by-step growth. Same is true for Regular MBA’s and Correspondence MBA’s…no doubt there is difference…nothing is hidden about the preferences of companies…but that difference can be reduced in a step-by-step growth.
Will it be more appropriate for companies to call everyone for interview and then eliminate that who have done their MBA through distance mode…in the selection process or is it more appropriate to call only suitable people for selection process? Let me know, which hurts less??
Regards
Sanjeev Sharma
From India, Mumbai
Community Support and Knowledge-base on business, career and organisational prospects and issues - Register and Log In to CiteHR and post your query, download formats and be part of a fostered community of professionals.
Part Time MBA Brochure.pdf