Dear Vishal,
Appreciate you for upcoming here to seek advice from experienced.
1. It's really hard to get an opening at overseas for HR & Admin staffs. The system in Middle East is entirely different from what we studied in books and practiced in India. The main area of HR & Admin duties are related to 'Immigration, Labor, Ministry of Health, Insurance, Visa, Labor card' etc... Only an experienced can handle this with the help of local staffs.
2. Official docs for the above said departments are in Arabic. If I dont know Arabic, I will be always the first one who will be removed from the department as soon as an experienced comes with Arabic knowledge. (Sounds pretty insecure, right?)
3. Average Salary of a fresh Admin staff in middle east is around 30,000/- INR. (AED: 2000-2500, KSA pays lesser: 1800-2300 SR, least is paid in Kuwait: KD 140-180) This is after 'recession'. After the recession, plenty of experienced candidates are available in job market; this really reduces the chances for freshers.
4. Never compare salary with Indian currency. The best package you may get in Dubai, the most expensive city in the region! 7 years before my monthly salary is my monthly expense this year!!
5. Find out the company back ground before taking any decision. Check whether they are listed anywhere in internet. If a company doesnt have a website, you can imagine the status of such companies in middle east. (If this company is in UAE, please send me the name... i will help you).
6. If the payment for visa process is asked by company representatives from UAE, NEVER join in that company. You will have to struggle for your salary later! Normally agencies eat a lot. Dont pay more than 35k INR.
Please feel free to contact me if you need further assistance.
From Djibouti
6Appreciate you for upcoming here to seek advice from experienced.
1. It's really hard to get an opening at overseas for HR & Admin staffs. The system in Middle East is entirely different from what we studied in books and practiced in India. The main area of HR & Admin duties are related to 'Immigration, Labor, Ministry of Health, Insurance, Visa, Labor card' etc... Only an experienced can handle this with the help of local staffs.
2. Official docs for the above said departments are in Arabic. If I dont know Arabic, I will be always the first one who will be removed from the department as soon as an experienced comes with Arabic knowledge. (Sounds pretty insecure, right?)
3. Average Salary of a fresh Admin staff in middle east is around 30,000/- INR. (AED: 2000-2500, KSA pays lesser: 1800-2300 SR, least is paid in Kuwait: KD 140-180) This is after 'recession'. After the recession, plenty of experienced candidates are available in job market; this really reduces the chances for freshers.
4. Never compare salary with Indian currency. The best package you may get in Dubai, the most expensive city in the region! 7 years before my monthly salary is my monthly expense this year!!
5. Find out the company back ground before taking any decision. Check whether they are listed anywhere in internet. If a company doesnt have a website, you can imagine the status of such companies in middle east. (If this company is in UAE, please send me the name... i will help you).
6. If the payment for visa process is asked by company representatives from UAE, NEVER join in that company. You will have to struggle for your salary later! Normally agencies eat a lot. Dont pay more than 35k INR.
Please feel free to contact me if you need further assistance.
From Djibouti
Hi Paulson & Gunjan,
Thanks alot Paulson for you valuable suggetions, I've heard about bayt and registered and will get with rest of all, whreas also consulting with consultancies mentioned by anshwish.
Gunjan, I am very much glad to have such an insight about working conditions and DO's and DONT's while applying for the positions, Can you please send me a testmail on
, I'll revert you with all the communications I got till now. It would be really great to know more, specifically about authenticiyt of offers I am getting. Whereas need more guidance afterwards.
Thanks a Ton to all of you.
Regards,
Vishal Dogra
From India, Bangalore
Thanks alot Paulson for you valuable suggetions, I've heard about bayt and registered and will get with rest of all, whreas also consulting with consultancies mentioned by anshwish.
Gunjan, I am very much glad to have such an insight about working conditions and DO's and DONT's while applying for the positions, Can you please send me a testmail on
Thanks a Ton to all of you.
Regards,
Vishal Dogra
From India, Bangalore
Hi 007,
Bit scary but seems realistic. I've never heard about arabic language knowledge before, as it could be known by one who is working there in real time conditions like you. Pls send me a testmail at www.vishi437@gmail.com. I'll revert you with every document I've received till now. I would be really helpful for me to get a clearer picture from all of you.
Regards,
Vishal Dogra
From India, Bangalore
Bit scary but seems realistic. I've never heard about arabic language knowledge before, as it could be known by one who is working there in real time conditions like you. Pls send me a testmail at www.vishi437@gmail.com. I'll revert you with every document I've received till now. I would be really helpful for me to get a clearer picture from all of you.
Regards,
Vishal Dogra
From India, Bangalore
It is nice that you looking for an opportunity working in abroad, but you need to be very alert , because there are consultancies (FREELANCERS) registering fake accounts and mailing all the pool of candidates and trap them by levying processing charges. Utter care has to be taken for verifying the employers.
The mails you receive should be in the name of company's domain.
The letter of interview should be in company's letter head.
Contact numbers involved cross check it with the name of the company.
Use internet resources for reliable information.
I recently received Maersk shipping for S.Africa, and to my shock it was fake
From India, Ahmadabad
The mails you receive should be in the name of company's domain.
The letter of interview should be in company's letter head.
Contact numbers involved cross check it with the name of the company.
Use internet resources for reliable information.
I recently received Maersk shipping for S.Africa, and to my shock it was fake
From India, Ahmadabad
After reading the offer J I D (Jobs in Dubai) to Mr. Vishal, I understand that it's a TRAP because of many reasons!
Send all other mails from them before a final judgment. I want to alert authorities here in UAE. As per the UAE labor law, it is punishable to charge applicants, even recieving gifts; recruiters lincense will be cancelled!
Your offer is not from any company but from a job portal (I hear this job portal in Dubai for the first time during 7 years career in Dubai). The offer came to you by getting your email ID from another famous job portal. And they request you to register in their site - Another Trick!
Mail came from job portal's Account manager.... I want to LOL! The account manager's name looks like a Keralite. The domain name and the Head office belongs to Canada. An office named "Jobs in Dubai" in Ontario, Canada..... My God, somebody give me kick on my head!!
Their address is like giving a location map. I doubt they put it like that because they wanted to convince applicants they are real. In fact, cany ompany even a small office in UAE give their address like:
Aaa Bbb Cccc (L L C)
P. B. No: 1234, Dubai
U A E.
Ph: 04 - 3456215
Fax: 04 - 3145213
web: www.jobsindubai.ca
99% of addresses will be like this. Then we have to call to locate their office. Here in your case, they didnt give Fax number. No Post Box Number! Even a small office CAN NOT BE OPENED without Post Box Number in United Arab Emirates!!!
Since I am out of UAE for the time being, I told my colleague to check the given telephone number. He didnt answer yet. Telephone line may answered. When they realize it is an enquiry from inside Dubai, it might be a 'Wrong Number'. Normally it happens like that here. I have previous experience.
You, job seekers understand one thing. After the recession, 40-45% of the UAE employees are on the road. If any company need experienced staffs, plenty are available for less salary requirements.
Still there is chance, only a chance to be this office there. Should be new. They started collecting data. But if they demand fee from applicants, they have to close it TOMORROW! Send all the mails you recieved from them please.
I recieved call from my Dubai colleague now while I am typing this reply. This office is closed (J I D Net Works). Machine is answered. Working hours 9am to 5pm Sunday to Thursday. My friend also told me that there are many "Mushroom" manpower supply agencies appeared after "recession monsoon". Before they are closed by officials, they disappear with poor job hunters savings!
Best Advice: Forget this overseas offer!
From Djibouti
Send all other mails from them before a final judgment. I want to alert authorities here in UAE. As per the UAE labor law, it is punishable to charge applicants, even recieving gifts; recruiters lincense will be cancelled!
Your offer is not from any company but from a job portal (I hear this job portal in Dubai for the first time during 7 years career in Dubai). The offer came to you by getting your email ID from another famous job portal. And they request you to register in their site - Another Trick!
Mail came from job portal's Account manager.... I want to LOL! The account manager's name looks like a Keralite. The domain name and the Head office belongs to Canada. An office named "Jobs in Dubai" in Ontario, Canada..... My God, somebody give me kick on my head!!
Their address is like giving a location map. I doubt they put it like that because they wanted to convince applicants they are real. In fact, cany ompany even a small office in UAE give their address like:
Aaa Bbb Cccc (L L C)
P. B. No: 1234, Dubai
U A E.
Ph: 04 - 3456215
Fax: 04 - 3145213
web: www.jobsindubai.ca
99% of addresses will be like this. Then we have to call to locate their office. Here in your case, they didnt give Fax number. No Post Box Number! Even a small office CAN NOT BE OPENED without Post Box Number in United Arab Emirates!!!
Since I am out of UAE for the time being, I told my colleague to check the given telephone number. He didnt answer yet. Telephone line may answered. When they realize it is an enquiry from inside Dubai, it might be a 'Wrong Number'. Normally it happens like that here. I have previous experience.
You, job seekers understand one thing. After the recession, 40-45% of the UAE employees are on the road. If any company need experienced staffs, plenty are available for less salary requirements.
Still there is chance, only a chance to be this office there. Should be new. They started collecting data. But if they demand fee from applicants, they have to close it TOMORROW! Send all the mails you recieved from them please.
I recieved call from my Dubai colleague now while I am typing this reply. This office is closed (J I D Net Works). Machine is answered. Working hours 9am to 5pm Sunday to Thursday. My friend also told me that there are many "Mushroom" manpower supply agencies appeared after "recession monsoon". Before they are closed by officials, they disappear with poor job hunters savings!
Best Advice: Forget this overseas offer!
From Djibouti
A hot news:
One of the prestigious companies in Dubai is terminated 40% of employees from their Ajman branch without notice period on 1st October 2009. List is published on notice board on 28th September 2009. All employees have to go and check whether his/her name is there in the list or not.
Dont ask compensation. A single way ticket up to your nearest city will be provided within one week!
From Djibouti
One of the prestigious companies in Dubai is terminated 40% of employees from their Ajman branch without notice period on 1st October 2009. List is published on notice board on 28th September 2009. All employees have to go and check whether his/her name is there in the list or not.
Dont ask compensation. A single way ticket up to your nearest city will be provided within one week!
From Djibouti
Mammu, I think you are doing a great job in taking time to check out and helping guys like vishal so that they do not fall into traps like these. Keep up the good work
From India, Hyderabad
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Mr.Vishal Dogra,
Having read almost all the comments posted here, I have one FRIENDLY suggestion for you.
I feel, alongwith your quest for better jobs abroad, you NEED to IMPROVE your English.
As you know, net is a global community and your good english here, may land you a great overseas job one day.Also learning arabic is NOT difficult, as I have done it from Radio Bhavan, in spite of being a non-urdu(non-muslim).
"Make yourself so good that people should vie to have you with them !"
All The Best !
Dr.VSRege
Faculty-HR
From India, Mumbai
Having read almost all the comments posted here, I have one FRIENDLY suggestion for you.
I feel, alongwith your quest for better jobs abroad, you NEED to IMPROVE your English.
As you know, net is a global community and your good english here, may land you a great overseas job one day.Also learning arabic is NOT difficult, as I have done it from Radio Bhavan, in spite of being a non-urdu(non-muslim).
"Make yourself so good that people should vie to have you with them !"
All The Best !
Dr.VSRege
Faculty-HR
From India, Mumbai
hey vishal, i know u r desperate enuf to work overseas but dont make wrong decisions that u have to regreat later & also i wuld like to suggest you to try for countries like UK, Europe, hong kong etc. Dnt try for gulf countries if possible coz thw work culture is actually not that gr8..
From India, Ahmadabad
From India, Ahmadabad
Dear Vishal,
I run a Recruitment consultancy, since 20+ years, and we specialise in Jobs abroad.
We do not take any processing fee from the candidate, and like to work for clients, who would not only pay us, but also take care of all expense pertaining to cdts travel, visa, stay etc.
As rightly pointed out by Mammu, HR people, specially freshers, would not find relevant jobs for themselves, as their education, is relevant only in India.
Really appreciate, the efforts by Mammu, on finding out about the offer you had.I also get many such people with fake letters, even from names of renowned companies, like SHELL.
My advise to you is to take some good experience in India, maybe specialise into training , and then venture out , for a job abroad.
Nisha Kapoor
From India, Ahmadabad
I run a Recruitment consultancy, since 20+ years, and we specialise in Jobs abroad.
We do not take any processing fee from the candidate, and like to work for clients, who would not only pay us, but also take care of all expense pertaining to cdts travel, visa, stay etc.
As rightly pointed out by Mammu, HR people, specially freshers, would not find relevant jobs for themselves, as their education, is relevant only in India.
Really appreciate, the efforts by Mammu, on finding out about the offer you had.I also get many such people with fake letters, even from names of renowned companies, like SHELL.
My advise to you is to take some good experience in India, maybe specialise into training , and then venture out , for a job abroad.
Nisha Kapoor
From India, Ahmadabad
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