Once again people are confusing. I am asking a question. Your daughter or son wants to pursue his/her education in Engineering. Will you recommend him/her to go for Arts? Or someone wants to pursue career in computer science and and engineering, will you recommend him for taking commerce subject. It totally depends on individual's interest.
You may say the opportunities and challenges available in a particular domain, but cannot recommend that he/she must pursue such and such field.
That is exactly what is happening here. And that is the reason why I already communicated that it is the individual's desire what he wants to be. Ask him what he wants to be after 15-20 years from today?
When I asked this question in the interview to many candidates they were clueless. someone said, he want to be in GOOD POSITION; someone said, must draw good salary, etc. whereas some other said, wants to be settled down in life.
But no one said in my experience (for the last 22-23 years of experience), "15-20 years from today I want be General Manager - HR", "I want be Vice President - Marketing", or "I want to become an entrepreneur", etc.
This means, they do not have any goal. People without goal can be compared with a boat without a drift. when you sail a boat without drift, you will be going alongwith the boat, whatever the way the current flows, whatever side the wind blows; you cannot have any control.
Having a drift in your hand will empower you to sail the boat in the direction you want. Having a goal is just that.
So, one has to have a desire and goal for that instead of asking (or suggesting) what he should do. He has to decide as to WHAT HE WANTS TO DO and not OTHERS WANT HIM TO DO.
Balaji
From India, Madras
100You may say the opportunities and challenges available in a particular domain, but cannot recommend that he/she must pursue such and such field.
That is exactly what is happening here. And that is the reason why I already communicated that it is the individual's desire what he wants to be. Ask him what he wants to be after 15-20 years from today?
When I asked this question in the interview to many candidates they were clueless. someone said, he want to be in GOOD POSITION; someone said, must draw good salary, etc. whereas some other said, wants to be settled down in life.
But no one said in my experience (for the last 22-23 years of experience), "15-20 years from today I want be General Manager - HR", "I want be Vice President - Marketing", or "I want to become an entrepreneur", etc.
This means, they do not have any goal. People without goal can be compared with a boat without a drift. when you sail a boat without drift, you will be going alongwith the boat, whatever the way the current flows, whatever side the wind blows; you cannot have any control.
Having a drift in your hand will empower you to sail the boat in the direction you want. Having a goal is just that.
So, one has to have a desire and goal for that instead of asking (or suggesting) what he should do. He has to decide as to WHAT HE WANTS TO DO and not OTHERS WANT HIM TO DO.
Balaji
From India, Madras
Dear All,
I have a query similar to the above.... i have an experience of 5 years & 6 months in HR generalist profile where in i used to handle recruitment through the consultants co-ordination but my core experience is in generalist profile only.
Now i have got an opportunity from a recruitment firm. So, kindly advise , should i accept the offer??
From India, Delhi
I have a query similar to the above.... i have an experience of 5 years & 6 months in HR generalist profile where in i used to handle recruitment through the consultants co-ordination but my core experience is in generalist profile only.
Now i have got an opportunity from a recruitment firm. So, kindly advise , should i accept the offer??
From India, Delhi
wow..thank you very much guys for such a gr8 response.
Dear Surya,
I agree with you, I didn't learn everything related to my Current Profile as there are so many things in legal compliances. But the thing is that where m working at present, there is no proper reporting structure and no one is there to guide me.
I am not blaming anyone here but whatever HR practices are followed here are very much traditional, and hence more than half of the things I have learned on My own by asking the consultants and my HR colleagues.
I even tried Convincing my boss to appoint some senior person or some Head HR ..but that was useless.
Thank you very much Surya Sir.
I ll always keep in touch with you.
Regards
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
Dear Surya,
I agree with you, I didn't learn everything related to my Current Profile as there are so many things in legal compliances. But the thing is that where m working at present, there is no proper reporting structure and no one is there to guide me.
I am not blaming anyone here but whatever HR practices are followed here are very much traditional, and hence more than half of the things I have learned on My own by asking the consultants and my HR colleagues.
I even tried Convincing my boss to appoint some senior person or some Head HR ..but that was useless.
Thank you very much Surya Sir.
I ll always keep in touch with you.
Regards
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
Dear SK Johri,
First of all thank you very much for contributing on MY query,
As u mentioned That we need to get experience in all aspects of HR, Even i thought the same and in a mood to switch my job..(IF Selected). But as I m not experienced like you guyS i thought i should Put this query here.
I AM WAITING FOR SURYA SIR'S REPLY....
THANKS AND REGARDS
RONNIE FRANCIS
From India, Nagpur
First of all thank you very much for contributing on MY query,
As u mentioned That we need to get experience in all aspects of HR, Even i thought the same and in a mood to switch my job..(IF Selected). But as I m not experienced like you guyS i thought i should Put this query here.
I AM WAITING FOR SURYA SIR'S REPLY....
THANKS AND REGARDS
RONNIE FRANCIS
From India, Nagpur
DEAR Balaji
Thanks for elaborating so much and making me understand regarding my query, Frankly speaking my interest is in IR and Payroll, But Its so vast that I am not able to answer half of the questions during my interview, this happened couple of times when i faced interview, and even the openings in IR and Payroll are lesser compared to recruitment profile.
Thanks and Regards
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
Thanks for elaborating so much and making me understand regarding my query, Frankly speaking my interest is in IR and Payroll, But Its so vast that I am not able to answer half of the questions during my interview, this happened couple of times when i faced interview, and even the openings in IR and Payroll are lesser compared to recruitment profile.
Thanks and Regards
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
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Hi Ronnie,
from your answer, i understand your situation better...
there is one good thing which i noticed in your answer (you had the patience to work hard and learn from elsewhere while being stuck up in a non conducive climate)
next step is while looking for another break:
ask the interviewer what all will you be learning in the next 1/2/3 years...
take notes...
define every single skill in depth/ breadth..
its a perfectly valid question...you will get a realistic picture...
next compare this with your current skills sets (both in depth n breadth)
and decide...
if you need help, feel free to take my help anytime
From India, Delhi
Hi Ronnie,
from your answer, i understand your situation better...
there is one good thing which i noticed in your answer (you had the patience to work hard and learn from elsewhere while being stuck up in a non conducive climate)
next step is while looking for another break:
ask the interviewer what all will you be learning in the next 1/2/3 years...
take notes...
define every single skill in depth/ breadth..
its a perfectly valid question...you will get a realistic picture...
next compare this with your current skills sets (both in depth n breadth)
and decide...
if you need help, feel free to take my help anytime
From India, Delhi
Dear Surya Sir,
Thank u So much for Appreciating me, and guiding me. And yes ofcourse from now onwards if i need any kind of help related to my Job ,i ll surely ask you without any hestiation.
Thanks and Regards
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
Thank u So much for Appreciating me, and guiding me. And yes ofcourse from now onwards if i need any kind of help related to my Job ,i ll surely ask you without any hestiation.
Thanks and Regards
Ronnie Francis
From India, Nagpur
Mr. Ronnie,
this is exactly what I am saying. If your interest is in IR, try to learn IR activities. Go through ID Act, go through the procedures involved in disciplinary proceedings, learn the intricacies of collective bargining, learn the etiquettes of handing union bearers. Learn more and more about the procedures and other statutes related to IR.
I had one chap who came to me from an institute. he wanted to do project in "Finance". That too, in Finance, specifically "Credit control and rating" (I I remember). He approached me like this.
"Sir, I am coming from such and such college. As part of my curriculum, I am required to do a project. I have a letter issued by my Principal certifying me as a bonafide student; Can you please help me providing a project opportunity in your organization. Project means, I want spefically in Finance, that too in the above topic; please do not tell me to do Project in other area. Because my interest is only "Credit control and rating". I have no recommendation letter from any big person in the industry. I am approaching you for this, you tell me whether you can provide me project opportunity; if yes, then it must be in this field, nothing else. If you cannot provide, I have no issue, I will knock at the other door till such time I got my project opportunity of my taste"
He was very specific and clear in this thinking. (we were not able to provide him opportunity is different issue). So one has to have clear thinking as to what he wants to do.
If you are really interested in the area what you specified, you must pursue your career in that direction only. Keeping knocking at the door (as in the above case). May be opportunities are less, but doing the job which is of no interest or less interest, is meaningless. You will be facing inconsistency between what you aspire to be and what you actually be".
thanks
Balaji
From India, Madras
this is exactly what I am saying. If your interest is in IR, try to learn IR activities. Go through ID Act, go through the procedures involved in disciplinary proceedings, learn the intricacies of collective bargining, learn the etiquettes of handing union bearers. Learn more and more about the procedures and other statutes related to IR.
I had one chap who came to me from an institute. he wanted to do project in "Finance". That too, in Finance, specifically "Credit control and rating" (I I remember). He approached me like this.
"Sir, I am coming from such and such college. As part of my curriculum, I am required to do a project. I have a letter issued by my Principal certifying me as a bonafide student; Can you please help me providing a project opportunity in your organization. Project means, I want spefically in Finance, that too in the above topic; please do not tell me to do Project in other area. Because my interest is only "Credit control and rating". I have no recommendation letter from any big person in the industry. I am approaching you for this, you tell me whether you can provide me project opportunity; if yes, then it must be in this field, nothing else. If you cannot provide, I have no issue, I will knock at the other door till such time I got my project opportunity of my taste"
He was very specific and clear in this thinking. (we were not able to provide him opportunity is different issue). So one has to have clear thinking as to what he wants to do.
If you are really interested in the area what you specified, you must pursue your career in that direction only. Keeping knocking at the door (as in the above case). May be opportunities are less, but doing the job which is of no interest or less interest, is meaningless. You will be facing inconsistency between what you aspire to be and what you actually be".
thanks
Balaji
From India, Madras
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