Dear All,
I am working in a Software company since last two months. I’ll provide you the following details about our company.
I proposed to prepare an Employee Handbook to inform all employees about HR Policies, Employer discarded the idea reason is communicating the policies will drive employees towards breaking the rules. It is better to keep them in dark, so that they will have some fear in their mind to get punished.
I proposed to do some Job Analysis for every position so that employees can have some clear idea about their role expectations. Again Employer was against of the idea because he wants single position with multiple responsibilities. Lot of responsibility with limited authority which should be automatic.
Employer doesn’t find it necessary to disclose information related to turnover and growth of the company to employees. In such an organization what betterment can be initiated by HR?
Employer’s attitude is like “I am the Law”, and for non compliance whatever may be the fine, he is ready to pay that amount. All HR initiatives are “Disturbing” for him.
Employer is quite confident in the way he is doing business, what should be HR’s role in such a situation? Shall I engage myself only with day to day activities and overlook the legal part? In future if some problem is there then can the employer fire me for not taking necessary actions on time?
From India, Mumbai
I am working in a Software company since last two months. I’ll provide you the following details about our company.
- Employee strength more than 100, running business since last 8yrs, yearly turnover near 15Crores. More than 50% of employees are earning less the 10,000/- basic.
- Registered under Bombay Shops and Establishment Act, but I wonder no inspection is done. Necessary registers or records are not maintained. Branch units in other states are not registered.
- PF is provided to only those employees who are earning less than 6,500/-.
- No sick leave or casual leaves. Yearly 18 paid leaves are provided, encashable only during separation.
- 15 days notice period, if employee is absent during the notice period double the salary is deducted for each day of absence.
- No ESI, No Bonus, No Gratuity.
I proposed to prepare an Employee Handbook to inform all employees about HR Policies, Employer discarded the idea reason is communicating the policies will drive employees towards breaking the rules. It is better to keep them in dark, so that they will have some fear in their mind to get punished.
I proposed to do some Job Analysis for every position so that employees can have some clear idea about their role expectations. Again Employer was against of the idea because he wants single position with multiple responsibilities. Lot of responsibility with limited authority which should be automatic.
Employer doesn’t find it necessary to disclose information related to turnover and growth of the company to employees. In such an organization what betterment can be initiated by HR?
Employer’s attitude is like “I am the Law”, and for non compliance whatever may be the fine, he is ready to pay that amount. All HR initiatives are “Disturbing” for him.
Employer is quite confident in the way he is doing business, what should be HR’s role in such a situation? Shall I engage myself only with day to day activities and overlook the legal part? In future if some problem is there then can the employer fire me for not taking necessary actions on time?
From India, Mumbai
Hi Sonai,
First all i suggest ,You should start searching job somewhere
as it clearly seems that there is no requirement for HR in your
organisation .HR is required in every company but there are still
few employers who do not understand the importance of it.
Even to some extent i am facing the same problem .
Employers feel that going proffessionaly will reduce their authority.
We have to understand one thing if there is no co-operation from top
management HR can not do anything.
Regards
Rajeev Dixit
From India, Bangalore
111First all i suggest ,You should start searching job somewhere
as it clearly seems that there is no requirement for HR in your
organisation .HR is required in every company but there are still
few employers who do not understand the importance of it.
Even to some extent i am facing the same problem .
Employers feel that going proffessionaly will reduce their authority.
We have to understand one thing if there is no co-operation from top
management HR can not do anything.
Regards
Rajeev Dixit
From India, Bangalore
This looks like a dictator kind of management. Suggest you just bring some process in day to day activities first like payroll & leave management, then slowly introduce other things like incentives , Bonus, OT as applicable. also do some Homework abt the other organisations with the same products & try to get info abt their mgt. Then slowly you can convince the employer in other things
You have already mentioned them abt the legal aspects so its for them to manage them.
Regards
Suman
From India, Bangalore
You have already mentioned them abt the legal aspects so its for them to manage them.
Regards
Suman
From India, Bangalore
Dear Sonai,
First of all I must appreciate you for the manner in which you have express the entire situation which very clear and without any information gap.
You are I think beginner or less than 5 years expereince..because In india business of small scale is done in same fashion. Employer wants more mileage from business and therefore take more and more risk becasue HR is not his business...
His business objective is making more profits and revenue and you HR should not conflict with his business interest because you will naturally annoyed him..
Its better to cooperate him..Inidially while I started my career in HR I also come across same situations but that has given me exposure how employer look at HR economics in their business econoics although I do agree with you that its violation of laws and many unfare practices but for small businesses these are issues of survivals you cannot force employer to spend rather he is ready to buy peace with Inspectors under labour laws and until he is capable to manage its OK..
You should protect your interest (JOB) rather than enforcing law or expensive HR initiaitves.You will come to know even these Inspectors under various laws also cooperating with your employer then question is who are you to resist without authority trying to impose laws and HR practices. This is unwarrented..
Taek care.
Partho
From Saudi Arabia
First of all I must appreciate you for the manner in which you have express the entire situation which very clear and without any information gap.
You are I think beginner or less than 5 years expereince..because In india business of small scale is done in same fashion. Employer wants more mileage from business and therefore take more and more risk becasue HR is not his business...
His business objective is making more profits and revenue and you HR should not conflict with his business interest because you will naturally annoyed him..
Its better to cooperate him..Inidially while I started my career in HR I also come across same situations but that has given me exposure how employer look at HR economics in their business econoics although I do agree with you that its violation of laws and many unfare practices but for small businesses these are issues of survivals you cannot force employer to spend rather he is ready to buy peace with Inspectors under labour laws and until he is capable to manage its OK..
You should protect your interest (JOB) rather than enforcing law or expensive HR initiaitves.You will come to know even these Inspectors under various laws also cooperating with your employer then question is who are you to resist without authority trying to impose laws and HR practices. This is unwarrented..
Taek care.
Partho
From Saudi Arabia
Hi Sonali,Firstly i would not suggest you to change your job due to such factors because you have to prepare way from such conditions.
I think your firm is totally pvt company and comes under small scale.
Regarding Policies which are coming under law even its not fevorable for Staff yet they are made by your employer and his idea of doing business is based on that.
In some cases your employer is right for example everyone would like a staff with multitasking if organisation having nonrepatative product orders and thats why he is not allowing you to go for job discription.
But in certain area which are also violating legal aspects you can move situation considering Change Management techniques.As no one is ready for change in first instance rather you try to change it step by step like start apprisal syatem both positive and negative, Start fwding internal notes for any upcoming policy,As profit is essance of business for your employer start with some steps which are benificial for him and then you can divert him for some corrective steps....:icon10:
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
I think your firm is totally pvt company and comes under small scale.
Regarding Policies which are coming under law even its not fevorable for Staff yet they are made by your employer and his idea of doing business is based on that.
In some cases your employer is right for example everyone would like a staff with multitasking if organisation having nonrepatative product orders and thats why he is not allowing you to go for job discription.
But in certain area which are also violating legal aspects you can move situation considering Change Management techniques.As no one is ready for change in first instance rather you try to change it step by step like start apprisal syatem both positive and negative, Start fwding internal notes for any upcoming policy,As profit is essance of business for your employer start with some steps which are benificial for him and then you can divert him for some corrective steps....:icon10:
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
I thank all of you for your valued opinion.
I have done my MBA in HR, I have 1yr experience and this is may second job. I left my previous job because of the same reason; there the employer was financially unable to entertain HR processes, but not so arrogant. I have relocated in a new town hoping for a better career. In such a situation what should be my decision?
From India, Mumbai
I have done my MBA in HR, I have 1yr experience and this is may second job. I left my previous job because of the same reason; there the employer was financially unable to entertain HR processes, but not so arrogant. I have relocated in a new town hoping for a better career. In such a situation what should be my decision?
From India, Mumbai
Dear Sonai,
The probable fact may be your employer is new to this business. Probably he might have taken over the business from someone else say his parents or ne one. Thats why he is quite unaware of all the legalities. I would suggest you to work according to what he says as he is your employer after all. Howver some very serious legal issues must not be overlooked. Its good that you are taking initiatives.But one day just sit quietly with your boss and try to explain him the possible outcomes of the way he is carrying on his business since you are in HR Dept its your rights to talk about this. The probability is that your seniors are well aware of this fact but i wonder why they are shut in such situations. But you do not lose hope and keep up your work. Always remember righteous work always pays in the long run.
Do revert back to me if any queries.
From India, Pune
The probable fact may be your employer is new to this business. Probably he might have taken over the business from someone else say his parents or ne one. Thats why he is quite unaware of all the legalities. I would suggest you to work according to what he says as he is your employer after all. Howver some very serious legal issues must not be overlooked. Its good that you are taking initiatives.But one day just sit quietly with your boss and try to explain him the possible outcomes of the way he is carrying on his business since you are in HR Dept its your rights to talk about this. The probability is that your seniors are well aware of this fact but i wonder why they are shut in such situations. But you do not lose hope and keep up your work. Always remember righteous work always pays in the long run.
Do revert back to me if any queries.
From India, Pune
it seems you have to go for some other job as it looks that there is no requirement for hr. regards v.srinivasa rao 9348022553
From India, Hyderabad
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Sonai,
Seems like you are quite de-motivated by all that is happening in your oragnization. I wolud suggest you to that since you are new to this town you just relax andtry to understand the mentality of the employers in Mumbai. Never lose hope.
Just relax and go to work.
From India, Pune
Seems like you are quite de-motivated by all that is happening in your oragnization. I wolud suggest you to that since you are new to this town you just relax andtry to understand the mentality of the employers in Mumbai. Never lose hope.
Just relax and go to work.
From India, Pune
Hi Sonia,
Dont loose hope...we as HR have to face such situation and its our test time to bring visibility in front of employer / employees
For that - you van start with small issue, work on small issues and implement that
If we directly jump for big change on one will accept. - seat with employees do casual interaction - convey their level of thinking and problem in front of management / employers. - legal issues are very imp to follow - show them real fact of not following laws and govt regulation.
meanwhile, you also start seraching job
From India, Gurgaon
Dont loose hope...we as HR have to face such situation and its our test time to bring visibility in front of employer / employees
For that - you van start with small issue, work on small issues and implement that
If we directly jump for big change on one will accept. - seat with employees do casual interaction - convey their level of thinking and problem in front of management / employers. - legal issues are very imp to follow - show them real fact of not following laws and govt regulation.
meanwhile, you also start seraching job
From India, Gurgaon
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