Peace and Greetings to everyone,
I request maximum response to my queries as it would directly influence my career choice.
To begin with for those who aren't aware of (both Muslims and non-muslims), there's a different between a muslim by name and a muslim by faith. if not at all, but most of the muslims today are only muslims because their fathers (parents) were muslims and its only a matter of racial creed, than to have faith in the religion of Islam. Hence, most of the Muslims you see around in corporations are only people of different 'cultural' upbringing, rather than people of different faith and ideologies. In Arabic lexicon, Muslim can only be a person who practices Islam. It is formulated by the Arabic Prefix 'Mu' with Islam = Muslim. Same as Mu + Safar = Musafir (Traveler). Once who is a resident, can't be called a traveler and technically, once who is not practicing Islam, can't be called a Muslim. Anyway, this was a very very brief introduction of the things i am going to write now. It was a necessary to give a small background so that people could understand the context. Now, I am mentioning the actual requirements for a practicing Muslim man (which are defined by Quran and the authentic statements of Prophet Mohammad) which might conflict with the corporate culture.
(Not in any chronological order)
1. Offering Namaz (Prayers) - it requires a clean place and at least 15 mins, twice/thrice during office hours. (depending on the time one stays in the office. if he stays late till 6 or 7, it would be thrice a day). A practicing Muslim can't leave a single time Namaz even he's in a very important meeting with the CEO of the company
2. Going for prayers to a mosque on friday (if the mosque is in close vicinity of the office) - it would require not less than 45 mins to 1 hours and time would be friday afternoon. Again, a practicing Muslim can't leave Friday namaz even he's in a very important meeting with the CEO of the company
3. Fasting for 30 days in the month of Ramadan - Here the Muslim can't even drink a drop of water, not fruits, not potato, not even a morsel of any food from dawn to dusk.
4. Not shaking hands with females - how much strange or rude it may read, but a practicing Muslim is prohibited to shake hands with unrelated females.
5. A Muslim can never lie or cheat with anyone (i.e., A Muslim can't lie or cheat with other employees on the behalf of his boss.)
6. A Muslim can't forge HR annual statements or do any manipulation in HR audit - on behalf of his boss
7. A Muslim can't do any favoritism or nepotism on behalf of his boss
8. A Muslim must ensure equity and justice at all times and with all people
9. A Muslim can't pay or accept bribes
10. A Muslim can't be a part of any party involving alcohol, drugs, music and mixed dancing. A Muslim can't even arrange such parties
11. A Muslim can't attend/ be a part of following parties/celebrations - Birthdays, New Year, Religious Festivals, etc. A Muslim can't even arrange such parties.
12. A Muslim must get day off on two Eids, Eid-ul-Fitra and Eid-ul-Adha.
I only want to ask that what would be the tolerance level for such an employee as mentioned above.
From India, Mumbai
7I request maximum response to my queries as it would directly influence my career choice.
To begin with for those who aren't aware of (both Muslims and non-muslims), there's a different between a muslim by name and a muslim by faith. if not at all, but most of the muslims today are only muslims because their fathers (parents) were muslims and its only a matter of racial creed, than to have faith in the religion of Islam. Hence, most of the Muslims you see around in corporations are only people of different 'cultural' upbringing, rather than people of different faith and ideologies. In Arabic lexicon, Muslim can only be a person who practices Islam. It is formulated by the Arabic Prefix 'Mu' with Islam = Muslim. Same as Mu + Safar = Musafir (Traveler). Once who is a resident, can't be called a traveler and technically, once who is not practicing Islam, can't be called a Muslim. Anyway, this was a very very brief introduction of the things i am going to write now. It was a necessary to give a small background so that people could understand the context. Now, I am mentioning the actual requirements for a practicing Muslim man (which are defined by Quran and the authentic statements of Prophet Mohammad) which might conflict with the corporate culture.
(Not in any chronological order)
1. Offering Namaz (Prayers) - it requires a clean place and at least 15 mins, twice/thrice during office hours. (depending on the time one stays in the office. if he stays late till 6 or 7, it would be thrice a day). A practicing Muslim can't leave a single time Namaz even he's in a very important meeting with the CEO of the company
2. Going for prayers to a mosque on friday (if the mosque is in close vicinity of the office) - it would require not less than 45 mins to 1 hours and time would be friday afternoon. Again, a practicing Muslim can't leave Friday namaz even he's in a very important meeting with the CEO of the company
3. Fasting for 30 days in the month of Ramadan - Here the Muslim can't even drink a drop of water, not fruits, not potato, not even a morsel of any food from dawn to dusk.
4. Not shaking hands with females - how much strange or rude it may read, but a practicing Muslim is prohibited to shake hands with unrelated females.
5. A Muslim can never lie or cheat with anyone (i.e., A Muslim can't lie or cheat with other employees on the behalf of his boss.)
6. A Muslim can't forge HR annual statements or do any manipulation in HR audit - on behalf of his boss
7. A Muslim can't do any favoritism or nepotism on behalf of his boss
8. A Muslim must ensure equity and justice at all times and with all people
9. A Muslim can't pay or accept bribes
10. A Muslim can't be a part of any party involving alcohol, drugs, music and mixed dancing. A Muslim can't even arrange such parties
11. A Muslim can't attend/ be a part of following parties/celebrations - Birthdays, New Year, Religious Festivals, etc. A Muslim can't even arrange such parties.
12. A Muslim must get day off on two Eids, Eid-ul-Fitra and Eid-ul-Adha.
I only want to ask that what would be the tolerance level for such an employee as mentioned above.
From India, Mumbai
I will try to answer your query taking the easier points first.
Point 12 is catered for as two Eids are public holidays in India (pl see Public holidays in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Following points 10 and 11 should not be a problem, as people will understand the view point. Point 3 should be easy to follow as companies do not insist that people eat during the day. Point 4 should also be not a problem as people will understand, as shaking hands with a woman is not not normal Indian practice. One can do Namasthe (that does not mean bowing the head), It is just a way of greeting in India.
Points or requirements 5,6,7,8, and 9 should be the norm in ETHICAL companies.
As India is a Secular country, the organisations just cannot cater to the needs of anyone religious community's requirement. Hence, you will find that certain of the above 12 needs may need to be compromised. For example, getting away from meetings to offer prayers in Points 1 and 2. Companies cannot afford o give extra time for prayers and the concerned staff member would be required to work extra time to compensate for the time taken for the prayer. If I am right, Mr. S A Khadir has said the same in the past at https://www.citehr.com/341125-shall-...e-hours-6.html.
Regarding Point 2, I wonder what the Quran says about goind to a mosque if it is not in the close vicinity!!
I hope I am not hurting anyone's feelings. If I have please accept my apologies.
Have a nice day.
From United Kingdom
Point 12 is catered for as two Eids are public holidays in India (pl see Public holidays in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Following points 10 and 11 should not be a problem, as people will understand the view point. Point 3 should be easy to follow as companies do not insist that people eat during the day. Point 4 should also be not a problem as people will understand, as shaking hands with a woman is not not normal Indian practice. One can do Namasthe (that does not mean bowing the head), It is just a way of greeting in India.
Points or requirements 5,6,7,8, and 9 should be the norm in ETHICAL companies.
As India is a Secular country, the organisations just cannot cater to the needs of anyone religious community's requirement. Hence, you will find that certain of the above 12 needs may need to be compromised. For example, getting away from meetings to offer prayers in Points 1 and 2. Companies cannot afford o give extra time for prayers and the concerned staff member would be required to work extra time to compensate for the time taken for the prayer. If I am right, Mr. S A Khadir has said the same in the past at https://www.citehr.com/341125-shall-...e-hours-6.html.
Regarding Point 2, I wonder what the Quran says about goind to a mosque if it is not in the close vicinity!!
I hope I am not hurting anyone's feelings. If I have please accept my apologies.
Have a nice day.
From United Kingdom
Hello,
There is little to add to what Mr. Simhan has said precisely.
My take on this subject may appear to be simplistic.
The organizations are secular and do NOT make concessions beyond a point to anyone.
Every organization has its own religion, culture, norms, ethics and discipline which everyone has to be subservient!
Being a country of vast diversity in terms of religion, languages, beliefs etc. if concessions are made to one sect, then others cannot be denied and if granted to others also there will be chaos that will destroy the very sustainability of the organization.
No, on grounds of the "religion" of the organizations, if such concessions are denied, they cannot be faulted.
The organization may lose the good qualities the candidate may bring in but its a cost that must be paid by the organization.
Homogeniety of work culture is vital. It must be preserved and sanctified.
This is a perspective that cuts across the good and the bad and what a religion or a sect may bring to the organization, WITHOUT finding faults with anyone of these. If life we have to make compromises and even pay costs if want to realise our wishes, dreams and even ambitions
Let us respect this culture!
Regards
samvedan
January 21, 2012-------------------
From India, Pune
There is little to add to what Mr. Simhan has said precisely.
My take on this subject may appear to be simplistic.
The organizations are secular and do NOT make concessions beyond a point to anyone.
Every organization has its own religion, culture, norms, ethics and discipline which everyone has to be subservient!
Being a country of vast diversity in terms of religion, languages, beliefs etc. if concessions are made to one sect, then others cannot be denied and if granted to others also there will be chaos that will destroy the very sustainability of the organization.
No, on grounds of the "religion" of the organizations, if such concessions are denied, they cannot be faulted.
The organization may lose the good qualities the candidate may bring in but its a cost that must be paid by the organization.
Homogeniety of work culture is vital. It must be preserved and sanctified.
This is a perspective that cuts across the good and the bad and what a religion or a sect may bring to the organization, WITHOUT finding faults with anyone of these. If life we have to make compromises and even pay costs if want to realise our wishes, dreams and even ambitions
Let us respect this culture!
Regards
samvedan
January 21, 2012-------------------
From India, Pune
dear,
i,m practising all of the above while i am working as HR.
be free to ur suprevisor and discuss, sure u will get ur problem solved... befor that u must be loyal to the company and be a true believer.. we got a specific place to offer namaz.. got extra time on friday for Juma,a... got it after discussing with boss while we have to do some adjustment...
in my experience, i believe that everyone will love a true believer.... a true believer will be loyal and he wont cheat.. every company want such type of personality in present era.. so practising simple religius practises like namas , fasting is not difficult in todays scenario because of work....
no boss come askin that whether u want offer prayer, if u want ask it frankly conserned authority, sure they will offer some adjustment..
Regards,
Sajid Muhammed,
kannur
From India, Hyderabad
i,m practising all of the above while i am working as HR.
be free to ur suprevisor and discuss, sure u will get ur problem solved... befor that u must be loyal to the company and be a true believer.. we got a specific place to offer namaz.. got extra time on friday for Juma,a... got it after discussing with boss while we have to do some adjustment...
in my experience, i believe that everyone will love a true believer.... a true believer will be loyal and he wont cheat.. every company want such type of personality in present era.. so practising simple religius practises like namas , fasting is not difficult in todays scenario because of work....
no boss come askin that whether u want offer prayer, if u want ask it frankly conserned authority, sure they will offer some adjustment..
Regards,
Sajid Muhammed,
kannur
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Brother,
Am sorry to say this is not the topic to be discussed on Citehr kindly meet your mosque priest he will guide in context to quran guidelines.
Kindly correct your thinking we dont have muslim by faith or name. Muslim is just a muslim he just needs Hidayat from Allah.
Offering Namaz for five times read farz namaz for that if your work load is heavy.
Friday namaz u can skip bayan before namaz & it will not take 1 hr right. just request ur management to change ur lunch timings on friday.
Fasting is not a problem u can fast.(kindly explain what is the problem in fasting) During fasting we cant ask for concession we have to work as normal day.
No female will ask u to shake hands. just as samb said do namaste.
Keep your records updated then the problem of cheating will not arise.
Boss is asking u to forge documents u r not insisting on forge document Allah knows what u r dont worry just pray for ur boss.
Explain your boss with valid data & problem of favouritism& inequality can be managed to an extent.
we are religious tolerance people no problem in attending or arranging parties. Kindly take help of your mosque cleric he will explain u do's & dont's.
I dont think any company management will not sanction your leave on Eid days.you have your earned leave just take your boss approval for Eid day.
I may sound rude in this. but if u need any detail clarification kindly mail me on my personal ID or message ur problem in Istakara website they will reply you.
From India, Bangalore
Am sorry to say this is not the topic to be discussed on Citehr kindly meet your mosque priest he will guide in context to quran guidelines.
Kindly correct your thinking we dont have muslim by faith or name. Muslim is just a muslim he just needs Hidayat from Allah.
Offering Namaz for five times read farz namaz for that if your work load is heavy.
Friday namaz u can skip bayan before namaz & it will not take 1 hr right. just request ur management to change ur lunch timings on friday.
Fasting is not a problem u can fast.(kindly explain what is the problem in fasting) During fasting we cant ask for concession we have to work as normal day.
No female will ask u to shake hands. just as samb said do namaste.
Keep your records updated then the problem of cheating will not arise.
Boss is asking u to forge documents u r not insisting on forge document Allah knows what u r dont worry just pray for ur boss.
Explain your boss with valid data & problem of favouritism& inequality can be managed to an extent.
we are religious tolerance people no problem in attending or arranging parties. Kindly take help of your mosque cleric he will explain u do's & dont's.
I dont think any company management will not sanction your leave on Eid days.you have your earned leave just take your boss approval for Eid day.
I may sound rude in this. but if u need any detail clarification kindly mail me on my personal ID or message ur problem in Istakara website they will reply you.
From India, Bangalore
dear Mubashira,
this is the right place 2 discuss the problem... this is not religious matter 2 ask 2 a priest.. any thing related 2 empleeyee can discuss here.. if u r nt interested, skip the matter.. but there are people who experience problm with relagious practises while on work...
sorry, this is not for paining u Mubashira, just not to discourage people who is keeping on posting..
From India, Hyderabad
this is the right place 2 discuss the problem... this is not religious matter 2 ask 2 a priest.. any thing related 2 empleeyee can discuss here.. if u r nt interested, skip the matter.. but there are people who experience problm with relagious practises while on work...
sorry, this is not for paining u Mubashira, just not to discourage people who is keeping on posting..
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Mr. Peace Promoter,
I appreciate your straight forward nature and you had pointed out the FACTS, which is NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH ITSELF. To start with "ISLAM" is based on "ETHICAL LIVING, CLEANLINESS/TIDINESS(ETERNAL/INTERNAL) AND LOT MORE" which doesn't ALLOW MUSLIMS to PRACTICE anything, that is said to be "HARAAM(WRONG)" by ALMIGHTY "ALLAH", hence A MUSLIM need to STRICTLY PAY ATTENTION to whatsoever is said to be HARAAM(NOT PERMITTED) & HALAAL(PERMITTED).
Whatever you wrote about MUSLIMS - "A MUSLIM BY STRONG FAITH(FEAR & LOVE) IN ALLAH" and "A MUSLIM BY RACE(CULTURAL/TRADITIONAL)" is the BITTER FACT and i really felt ashamed of myself because at times, i have gone wrong in the ANGRY STATE OF MIND.
I had responded to your points in your post below marked in "PURPLE" & BOLD.
Do you have any idea what ALLAH had gifted his SLAVES(HUMANS), its the MOST POWERFUL PART OF OUR BODY, so called THE "BRAIN" and we humans can think to EXTREME LEVEL. ISLAM is the MOST FLEXIBLE RELIGION IN THE WORLD because ALLAH had given us CHOICES. Why do we have to trouble others, let it be MUSLIMS OR NON MUSLIMS. Why are we projecting ISLAM as if we are troubled by NON-MUSLIMS. Its time to SIMPLIFY OUR THOUGHT PROCESS.
Please perform your PRAYERS-IN-TIME and if you cant, due to GENUINE REASONS, you can perform after some time. ALLAH WILL FORGIVE YOU AND REMEMBER HE IS WATCHING EVERYONE.
If you have anything to get clarified, please do feel free to write to me.
From India, Chennai
I appreciate your straight forward nature and you had pointed out the FACTS, which is NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH ITSELF. To start with "ISLAM" is based on "ETHICAL LIVING, CLEANLINESS/TIDINESS(ETERNAL/INTERNAL) AND LOT MORE" which doesn't ALLOW MUSLIMS to PRACTICE anything, that is said to be "HARAAM(WRONG)" by ALMIGHTY "ALLAH", hence A MUSLIM need to STRICTLY PAY ATTENTION to whatsoever is said to be HARAAM(NOT PERMITTED) & HALAAL(PERMITTED).
Whatever you wrote about MUSLIMS - "A MUSLIM BY STRONG FAITH(FEAR & LOVE) IN ALLAH" and "A MUSLIM BY RACE(CULTURAL/TRADITIONAL)" is the BITTER FACT and i really felt ashamed of myself because at times, i have gone wrong in the ANGRY STATE OF MIND.
I had responded to your points in your post below marked in "PURPLE" & BOLD.
Do you have any idea what ALLAH had gifted his SLAVES(HUMANS), its the MOST POWERFUL PART OF OUR BODY, so called THE "BRAIN" and we humans can think to EXTREME LEVEL. ISLAM is the MOST FLEXIBLE RELIGION IN THE WORLD because ALLAH had given us CHOICES. Why do we have to trouble others, let it be MUSLIMS OR NON MUSLIMS. Why are we projecting ISLAM as if we are troubled by NON-MUSLIMS. Its time to SIMPLIFY OUR THOUGHT PROCESS.
Please perform your PRAYERS-IN-TIME and if you cant, due to GENUINE REASONS, you can perform after some time. ALLAH WILL FORGIVE YOU AND REMEMBER HE IS WATCHING EVERYONE.
If you have anything to get clarified, please do feel free to write to me.
From India, Chennai
Dear Ms. Naziya,
Whatever the category of MUSLIMS, narrated by PEACE PROMOTER is the FACT. You can't deny it. MUSLIMS do have FAITH in ALLAH but they(those xyz) DON'T HAVE FEAR OF ALLAH, that's why they continue doing MISTAKES REPEATEDLY. Can you deny this FACT?. I hope you haven't seen the world, yet.
You haven't understood the concerns of PEACE PROMOTER, hence you failed to justify your comments while associating with your THOUGHT PROCESS, though few of your suggestions are PERFECT.
I wonder why one has to seek GUIDANCE from MOSQUE PRIEST/ULAAMA. Do you have KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ISLAAM, when you have FAITH in ALLAH?
Regarding FRIDAY PRAYERS, please update your knowledge and don't even suggest anyone to SKIP BAYAAN because you are DOING A BIG MISTAKE. "We have to ENTER MOSQUE BEFORE BAYAAN STARTS". Since your goodself being a FEMALE, you wouldn't have got a CHANCE TO PRAY @ MOSQUE. FRIDAY PRAYER is not just the NORMAL PRAYER.
Please update your knowledge and DIRECT PEOPLE IN RIGHT DIRECTION WITHOUT CONFUSING THEM.
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
Whatever the category of MUSLIMS, narrated by PEACE PROMOTER is the FACT. You can't deny it. MUSLIMS do have FAITH in ALLAH but they(those xyz) DON'T HAVE FEAR OF ALLAH, that's why they continue doing MISTAKES REPEATEDLY. Can you deny this FACT?. I hope you haven't seen the world, yet.
You haven't understood the concerns of PEACE PROMOTER, hence you failed to justify your comments while associating with your THOUGHT PROCESS, though few of your suggestions are PERFECT.
I wonder why one has to seek GUIDANCE from MOSQUE PRIEST/ULAAMA. Do you have KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ISLAAM, when you have FAITH in ALLAH?
Regarding FRIDAY PRAYERS, please update your knowledge and don't even suggest anyone to SKIP BAYAAN because you are DOING A BIG MISTAKE. "We have to ENTER MOSQUE BEFORE BAYAAN STARTS". Since your goodself being a FEMALE, you wouldn't have got a CHANCE TO PRAY @ MOSQUE. FRIDAY PRAYER is not just the NORMAL PRAYER.
Please update your knowledge and DIRECT PEOPLE IN RIGHT DIRECTION WITHOUT CONFUSING THEM.
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
My Response in BLUE Colour
Peace and Greetings to everyone,
I request maximum response to my queries as it would directly influence my career choice.
To begin with for those who aren't aware of (both Muslims and non-muslims), there's a different between a muslim by name and a muslim by faith. if not at all, but most of the muslims today are only muslims because their fathers (parents) were muslims and its only a matter of racial creed, than to have faith in the religion of Islam. Hence, most of the Muslims you see around in corporations are only people of different 'cultural' upbringing, rather than people of different faith and ideologies.
Thank you for the thought, but would differ with you, as the opinion stated by you may be specific to few individuals and not all in general.
In Arabic lexicon, Muslim can only be a person who practices Islam. It is formulated by the Arabic Prefix 'Mu' with Islam = Muslim. Same as Mu + Safar = Musafir (Traveler). Once who is a resident, can't be called a traveler and technically, once who is not practicing Islam, can't be called a Muslim.
Sure thank you for the wonderful explanation.
Anyway, this was a very very brief introduction of the things i am going to write now. It was a necessary to give a small background so that people could understand the context. Now, I am mentioning the actual requirements for a practicing Muslim man (which are defined by Quran and the authentic statements of Prophet Mohammad) which might conflict with the corporate culture.
(Not in any chronological order)
1. Offering Namaz (Prayers) - it requires a clean place and at least 15 mins, twice/thrice during office hours. (depending on the time one stays in the office. if he stays late till 6 or 7, it would be thrice a day). A practicing Muslim can't leave a single time Namaz even he's in a very important meeting with the CEO of the company
Offering SALAH is the ultimate for every Muslim. When he is at office, he can very well offer Salah, as one comes during Lunch Time(ZUHUR), the next comes in the evening(ASAR). Zuhur – lunch time spare 10mins, Asar – spare your tea time. In the evening, is he needs to stay, sure he will get 10 mins for MAGRIB, as anyways the person will take a coffee break at that moment.
2. Going for prayers to a mosque on friday (if the mosque is in close vicinity of the office) - it would require not less than 45 mins to 1 hours and time would be friday afternoon. Again, a practicing Muslim can't leave Friday namaz even he's in a very important meeting with the CEO of the company
Almost 90% of the cases, people understand the importance of Prayers, that too Jummah Prayer. If we inform them, sure no one is going to stop.
3. Fasting for 30 days in the month of Ramadan - Here the Muslim can't even drink a drop of water, not fruits, not potato, not even a morsel of any food from dawn to dusk.
Please remember, nobody stops from you fasting. Every corner of the world knows the greatness of Ramadan.
4. Not shaking hands with females - how much strange or rude it may read, but a practicing Muslim is prohibited to shake hands with unrelated females.
What is the need to shake hands? Did anyone compel you to do it? It is matters of every individual right whether to shake hands or not. You don’t do it. Nobody is going to blast you if you are not going to shake hands.
5. A Muslim can never lie or cheat with anyone (i.e., A Muslim can't lie or cheat with other employees on the behalf of his boss.)
It is applicable to all.
6. A Muslim can't forge HR annual statements or do any manipulation in HR audit - on behalf of his boss
Who asked you to forge? If you are not happy with the wrong thing, put things straight. No one will compel you.
7. A Muslim can't do any favoritism or nepotism on behalf of his boss
No one is asking you to do any favouritism
8. A Muslim must ensure equity and justice at all times and with all people
Did anyone say no to the above statement
9. A Muslim can't pay or accept bribes
Why are you taking Bribe, who asked you to do so.
10. A Muslim can't be a part of any party involving alcohol, drugs, music and mixed dancing. A Muslim can't even arrange such parties
Inform your superior, no one will compel and make it mandatory. Else depute a person for the same.
11. A Muslim can't attend/ be a part of following parties/celebrations - Birthdays, New Year, Religious Festivals, etc. A Muslim can't even arrange such parties.
What you do in those parties is very much important. You make your presence available and make yourself low key profile.
12. A Muslim must get day off on two Eids, Eid-ul-Fitra and Eid-ul-Adha.
Almost 90% of the companies have public holidays for EID, if not they have restricted holiday. None will come in between religious sentiments.
I only want to ask that what would be the tolerance level for such an employee as mentioned above.
Please be informed that, the above mentioned points are not only applicable to Muslims working as HR, it is applicable to each and every Muslim.
Let us stick to the basic principles of ISLAM and saying of Prophet Mohamed (SAW).
Let us not make a hue and cry for practising ISLAM.
It all comes from within. If we are determined and focussed, we will sure practise ISLAM in much better way by not hurting others sentiments.
Alhamdulillah, I have been working for the past 11 years, all through my career, in which ever company i have worked, i have been practising Islam.
By ALLAH’s grace, i have been offering 5 times without missing a single day for the past 6 years.
PLEASE Let us not mix our religious sentiments with profession.
PLEASE Let us not make our religion, faith to take excuse for our Professional Career.
From India, Coimbatore
Peace and Greetings to everyone,
I request maximum response to my queries as it would directly influence my career choice.
To begin with for those who aren't aware of (both Muslims and non-muslims), there's a different between a muslim by name and a muslim by faith. if not at all, but most of the muslims today are only muslims because their fathers (parents) were muslims and its only a matter of racial creed, than to have faith in the religion of Islam. Hence, most of the Muslims you see around in corporations are only people of different 'cultural' upbringing, rather than people of different faith and ideologies.
Thank you for the thought, but would differ with you, as the opinion stated by you may be specific to few individuals and not all in general.
In Arabic lexicon, Muslim can only be a person who practices Islam. It is formulated by the Arabic Prefix 'Mu' with Islam = Muslim. Same as Mu + Safar = Musafir (Traveler). Once who is a resident, can't be called a traveler and technically, once who is not practicing Islam, can't be called a Muslim.
Sure thank you for the wonderful explanation.
Anyway, this was a very very brief introduction of the things i am going to write now. It was a necessary to give a small background so that people could understand the context. Now, I am mentioning the actual requirements for a practicing Muslim man (which are defined by Quran and the authentic statements of Prophet Mohammad) which might conflict with the corporate culture.
(Not in any chronological order)
1. Offering Namaz (Prayers) - it requires a clean place and at least 15 mins, twice/thrice during office hours. (depending on the time one stays in the office. if he stays late till 6 or 7, it would be thrice a day). A practicing Muslim can't leave a single time Namaz even he's in a very important meeting with the CEO of the company
Offering SALAH is the ultimate for every Muslim. When he is at office, he can very well offer Salah, as one comes during Lunch Time(ZUHUR), the next comes in the evening(ASAR). Zuhur – lunch time spare 10mins, Asar – spare your tea time. In the evening, is he needs to stay, sure he will get 10 mins for MAGRIB, as anyways the person will take a coffee break at that moment.
2. Going for prayers to a mosque on friday (if the mosque is in close vicinity of the office) - it would require not less than 45 mins to 1 hours and time would be friday afternoon. Again, a practicing Muslim can't leave Friday namaz even he's in a very important meeting with the CEO of the company
Almost 90% of the cases, people understand the importance of Prayers, that too Jummah Prayer. If we inform them, sure no one is going to stop.
3. Fasting for 30 days in the month of Ramadan - Here the Muslim can't even drink a drop of water, not fruits, not potato, not even a morsel of any food from dawn to dusk.
Please remember, nobody stops from you fasting. Every corner of the world knows the greatness of Ramadan.
4. Not shaking hands with females - how much strange or rude it may read, but a practicing Muslim is prohibited to shake hands with unrelated females.
What is the need to shake hands? Did anyone compel you to do it? It is matters of every individual right whether to shake hands or not. You don’t do it. Nobody is going to blast you if you are not going to shake hands.
5. A Muslim can never lie or cheat with anyone (i.e., A Muslim can't lie or cheat with other employees on the behalf of his boss.)
It is applicable to all.
6. A Muslim can't forge HR annual statements or do any manipulation in HR audit - on behalf of his boss
Who asked you to forge? If you are not happy with the wrong thing, put things straight. No one will compel you.
7. A Muslim can't do any favoritism or nepotism on behalf of his boss
No one is asking you to do any favouritism
8. A Muslim must ensure equity and justice at all times and with all people
Did anyone say no to the above statement
9. A Muslim can't pay or accept bribes
Why are you taking Bribe, who asked you to do so.
10. A Muslim can't be a part of any party involving alcohol, drugs, music and mixed dancing. A Muslim can't even arrange such parties
Inform your superior, no one will compel and make it mandatory. Else depute a person for the same.
11. A Muslim can't attend/ be a part of following parties/celebrations - Birthdays, New Year, Religious Festivals, etc. A Muslim can't even arrange such parties.
What you do in those parties is very much important. You make your presence available and make yourself low key profile.
12. A Muslim must get day off on two Eids, Eid-ul-Fitra and Eid-ul-Adha.
Almost 90% of the companies have public holidays for EID, if not they have restricted holiday. None will come in between religious sentiments.
I only want to ask that what would be the tolerance level for such an employee as mentioned above.
Please be informed that, the above mentioned points are not only applicable to Muslims working as HR, it is applicable to each and every Muslim.
Let us stick to the basic principles of ISLAM and saying of Prophet Mohamed (SAW).
Let us not make a hue and cry for practising ISLAM.
It all comes from within. If we are determined and focussed, we will sure practise ISLAM in much better way by not hurting others sentiments.
Alhamdulillah, I have been working for the past 11 years, all through my career, in which ever company i have worked, i have been practising Islam.
By ALLAH’s grace, i have been offering 5 times without missing a single day for the past 6 years.
PLEASE Let us not mix our religious sentiments with profession.
PLEASE Let us not make our religion, faith to take excuse for our Professional Career.
From India, Coimbatore
Let me Reply to Everyone
To skhadir
In India, its very difficult to find a CLEAN place within an organisation for offering OBLIGATORY PRAYERS. Hence, you may create a SMALL PLACE and keep it CLEAN. At times, you can even PRAY ALONE if, you are not in a position to PRAY-IN-TIME. If you can pray with JAMAT, you can pray ALONE.
You got me wrong brother. Finding a clean place is a requirement for prayers, not an issue which I intended to raise. I was asking of the very permission to pray during the office hours (in office premises or elsewhere). It happened with a female classmate of mine that she was categorically denied to pray in her office on the reasoning that if they allow her to do her prayers in the office, next they have to permit Hindu employees to bring ghanti (prayer bell) in the office and do their Pooja. She was working in a big Indian IT company (99.9% of the people know that company and it is one of the highest ranking organizations in Best Employer Rankings) in Noida as a HR Executive. (I have no problem in naming that company if it’s allowed by citehr rules to do so)
Regarding the meetings, it don't think so, its happening every day between you and your CEO especially during PRAYER HOURS. If it is, you may talk to your CEO and request him to re-schedule the MEETING TIMINGS.
Again, I think I should have made my post more detailed. I wasn’t talking of an actual meeting with a CEO of the company. I was just giving an example that even such an important task of meeting with the CEO wouldn’t relax the obligation for offering prayers for a Muslim. I was implying that what would be the tolerance level of the corporation for such an employee who can avoid every single important work of the organization for his personal religious reasons.
You can avoid it and its not NECESSARY to SHAKE HANDS with FEMALES. NO ONE WILL FORCE/COMPEL YOU TO SHAKE HANDS WITH FEMALES AGAINST YOUR WILL.
I was selected as a HR intern in a very big IT company and the HR Head (Male) took me to meet my immediate supervisor (Female) and she forwarded her hand and with all respect, I declined to shake her hands and I was rejected immediately on the grounds that ‘conservative’ people like me are not accepted in his organization and I would present a very bad picture of the organization to prospective employees during interviews. (Again, I can name the HR head and the company and the company proudly present itself as ranked in Top 50 "Best Companies to Work for in India - 2011" by Great Place to Work).
You may request other MUSLIMS NOT TO DO WHICH IS AGAINST THE WILL OF ALLAH
I am not at all concerned what other Muslims might be doing in the same organization. I only want that my employer don’t isolate my actions to tell me that why I am acting ‘extremist’, ‘strange’, while other muslims (in the same organization) aren’t doing so.
if it is HELPING YOUR ORGANISATION, PLEASE DO IT
Again, I am asking this question because one of my Hindu friends has worked for around 4-5 years as a HR executive in one of the top MNC in Gurgaon and he told me that its common practice to do manipulation and forging of HR audits so that to present a ‘acceptable’ picture to seniors. Again, it might be helping the organization but if it’s a lie, it’s a lie. If it’s cheating, its cheating and there’s no compromise on it, period!
AGREE. Its your LIFE, you DECIDE in what way you want to LIVE. You may take support of ANNA HAZARE to get rid of CORRUPTION or to STOP people from PRACTICING UNETHICAL HABITS.
I am not at all asking of my personal choice to not pay bribes. I am asking what if I am asked by my seniors to do so for acquiring some benefit for the company.
AGREE. WHO ASKED YOU JOIN? IF YOU JOIN, WHO ASKED/FORCED YOU TO DRINK ALCOHOL ETC AGAINST YOUR WILL
No one can force me to join but what I asked is the acceptance level of such an employee who wants to remain totally isolated from all such social events(involving the mentioned things). Moreover, I believe a HR person may be required to arrange such parties occasionally.
Please perform your PRAYERS-IN-TIME and if you cant due to GENUINE REASONS, you can perform after some time. ALLAH WILL FORGIVE YOU AND REMEMBER HE IS WATCHING EVERYONE.
Brother, presently I am on the verge of completion of my MAHRM and I am also a student of Bachelor of Islamic Studies from an online university and also studying Islam (informally) since the last 4-5 years. What could be the ‘supposed’ genuine reasons for a Muslim male to not offer prayers? Prayers were also offered in the battlefield and as per teachings of Prophet (Peace and Blessing of Allah be Upon Him), if one can’t prayers standing, he must do it sitting, if not sitting, then lying down, if not by lying down, then at least by actions and if that’s also not possible, then the person has to do it in his mind, if he’s conscious and sane.
To nashbramhall
“Point 4 should also be not a problem as people will understand, as shaking hands with a woman is not not normal Indian practice. One can do Namasthe (that does not mean bowing the head), It is just a way of greeting in India.”
I was selected as a HR intern in a very big IT company and the HR Head (Male) took me to meet my immediate supervisor (Female) and she forwarded her hand and with all respect, I declined to shake her hands and I was rejected immediately on the grounds that ‘conservative’ people like me are not accepted in his organization and I would present a very bad picture of the organization to prospective employees during interviews. (Again, I can name the HR head and the company and the company proudly present itself as ranked in Top 50 "Best Companies to Work for in India - 2011" by Great Place to Work).
“As India is a Secular country, the organisations just cannot cater to the needs of anyone religious community's requirement. Hence, you will find that certain of the above 12 needs may need to be compromised”
Again, a practicing Muslim can’t compromise point 10 and 11. Those Muslims compromising point 10 and 11 are either ignorant or plainly careless about their faith (i.e., not practicing)
“For example, getting away from meetings to offer prayers in Points 1 and 2. Companies cannot afford o give extra time for prayers and the concerned staff member would be required to work extra time to compensate for the time taken for the prayer.”
Not at all a problem, I thought it was implied in my statement that if I am taking time-off for prayers during work hours, I must necessarily compensate by working over-time. I have no problem in doing so. In fact, it’s the other way round, if I am not doing extra time and getting the same salary (i.e., without deductions), I am dishonest to my employer.
“Regarding Point 2, I wonder what the Quran says about going to a mosque if it is not in the close vicinity!!”
As such there’s nothing in Quran or any other authentic hadith (statement of Prophet) defining the distance of the mosque to be considered valid for offering Jumuah prayers. In fact, as per the majority opinion of the Islamic scholars, a mosque isn’t a necessary requirement for offering Juma’h (Friday) prayers (i.e., in absence of a dedicated mosque, 2 or more Muslims can make a congregation in any place and offer Friday prayers). If the mosque isn’t in close vicinity (that’s the reason I mentioned 45 to 1 hours because I included the traveling time and the actual prayer time), one can just make a congregation of 2 or more Muslims in any place and offer the Jumua’h prayers. Actually, once I get the actual permission to offer prayers, where to offer prayers is flexible in nature and can be decided upon as the respective situation. I only asked of the very permission to go out of the office on every Friday afternoon for 45 mins to max 1 hour.
“I hope I am not hurting anyone's feelings. If I have please accept my apologies.”
You aren’t hurting anyone feelings. I genuinely appreciate that you took your time to answer my queries.
To sajidmamba
I wonder which city are you working and which company considers all points from 1 to 12 ? I am delighted to work in such a company
To naziyasm
“Am sorry to say this is not the topic to be discussed on Citehr kindly meet your mosque priest he will guide in context to quran guidelines.”
Its very much to discussed here only because I need the answer from working professionals, not from mosque priest.
“Kindly correct your thinking we dont have muslim by faith or name. Muslim is just a muslim he just needs Hidayat from Allah.”
Brother/Sister, with due respect, I want you to learn more about Islam before commenting on things you don’t know. I am informally studying Islam since the last 4-5 years and since last year, I am doing Bachelor of Islamic Studies. There’s indeed a difference between a Muslim by tongue and a Muslim by Faith. The difference is even mentioned in Qura’n. This is not a place for discussion on Islamic theology. I don’t want to deflect on the original topic. If interested, you can take my email or phone number and we can discuss the same.
“Offering Namaz for five times read farz namaz for that if your work load is heavy.”
Obviously, I am talking of at least Farz namaz. I am not including Sunnah. In 15 minutes, one can only offer Wudu and do 4 Rakaat Farz Namaz.
“Friday namaz u can skip bayan before namaz & it will not take 1 hr right. just request ur management to change ur lunch timings on Friday”
Ofcourse, I am not talking about Bayan, i am just referring to khutbah and the actual namaz. But I also included the distance for going and coming back to Namaz. If you mean the Khutbah (in Arabic) to be Bayan, then sorry that can't be skipped because it is a part of Namaz.
“Fasting is not a problem u can fast.(kindly explain what is the problem in fasting) During fasting we cant ask for concession we have to work as normal day.”
I am never talked of any concession; neither had I wanted a concession of even a single minute. I won’t even have given any sort of concession (except for breaking Iftar) to other Muslims if I were to be a supervisor/superior. I am only asking that what if a ‘very important’ business lunch is scheduled during the month of Ramdaan and I have to deny the request because I am fasting.
“No female will ask u to shake hands. just as samb said do namaste.”
I was selected as a HR intern in a very big IT company and the HR Head (Male) took me to meet my immediate supervisor (Female) and she forwarded her hand and with all respect, I declined to shake her hands and I was rejected immediately on the grounds that ‘conservative’ people like me are not accepted in his organization and I would present a very bad picture of the organization to prospective employees during interviews. (Again, I can name the HR head and the company and the company proudly present itself as ranked in Top 50 "Best Companies to Work for in India - 2011" by Great Place to Work). Not only that, I was severely rebuked for being a fanatic and extremist for doing so by a teacher of mine in the university where I study (and guess where I study, it’s Jamia Millia Islamia). And before this scolding, I was rebuked by two other teachers of my college for the same issue (Ironically, one was Muslim amongst the three).
“Keep your records updated then the problem of cheating will not arise.”
Obviously, I will keep my records straight and I am only asking if the seniors would ask me to do some manipulation. Again, I am asking this question because one of my Hindu friends has worked for around 4-5 years as a HR executive in one of the top MNC in Gurgaon and he told me that its common practice to do manipulation and forging of HR audits so that to present a ‘acceptable’ picture to seniors. Again, it might be helping the organization but if it’s a lie, it’s a lie. If it’s cheating, it’s cheating and there’s no compromise on it, period!
“Boss is asking u to forge documents u r not insisting on forge document Allah knows what u r dont worry just pray for ur boss.”
This is not how it works in Islam, Brother/Sister! Allah says, “Help one another in righteousness and piety, but do not help one another in sin and transgression.” Surat Al-Ma'idah, (verse 2). If I assist my boss in doing sin, I would carry the burden of sin on my shoulders. So, I just can’t wash-off my hands by saying it was my boss who asked me to do so. Yes, there are certain things which are obligated by Government of India and I have no choice but to comply with the law of land because it was something which is enforced, not a matter of choice. (For e.g., writing/maintaining the PF/ESI records of employees is sin in Islam because of involvement of Interest/Gambling but since it’s a mandatory requirement of Govt. of India, one has no choice but to do it because he has to do it even in his company)
“we are religious tolerance people no problem in attending or arranging parties. Kindly take help of your mosque cleric he will explain u do's & dont's.”
Please don’t use the word, ‘we’. Talk for yourself. Islam is indeed but there are certain things a Muslim can’t do. I already know the Islamic rulings on the basis of which I am making such points.
“message ur problem in Istakara website they will reply you.”
This is not an issue of Istekhara. Istekhara has to be done in the case of deciding between two equally permissible matters and moreover, one does Istekhara himself (or herself), not asking others to do it. (Anyway, again this is deflecting from the topic)
From India, Mumbai
To skhadir
In India, its very difficult to find a CLEAN place within an organisation for offering OBLIGATORY PRAYERS. Hence, you may create a SMALL PLACE and keep it CLEAN. At times, you can even PRAY ALONE if, you are not in a position to PRAY-IN-TIME. If you can pray with JAMAT, you can pray ALONE.
You got me wrong brother. Finding a clean place is a requirement for prayers, not an issue which I intended to raise. I was asking of the very permission to pray during the office hours (in office premises or elsewhere). It happened with a female classmate of mine that she was categorically denied to pray in her office on the reasoning that if they allow her to do her prayers in the office, next they have to permit Hindu employees to bring ghanti (prayer bell) in the office and do their Pooja. She was working in a big Indian IT company (99.9% of the people know that company and it is one of the highest ranking organizations in Best Employer Rankings) in Noida as a HR Executive. (I have no problem in naming that company if it’s allowed by citehr rules to do so)
Regarding the meetings, it don't think so, its happening every day between you and your CEO especially during PRAYER HOURS. If it is, you may talk to your CEO and request him to re-schedule the MEETING TIMINGS.
Again, I think I should have made my post more detailed. I wasn’t talking of an actual meeting with a CEO of the company. I was just giving an example that even such an important task of meeting with the CEO wouldn’t relax the obligation for offering prayers for a Muslim. I was implying that what would be the tolerance level of the corporation for such an employee who can avoid every single important work of the organization for his personal religious reasons.
You can avoid it and its not NECESSARY to SHAKE HANDS with FEMALES. NO ONE WILL FORCE/COMPEL YOU TO SHAKE HANDS WITH FEMALES AGAINST YOUR WILL.
I was selected as a HR intern in a very big IT company and the HR Head (Male) took me to meet my immediate supervisor (Female) and she forwarded her hand and with all respect, I declined to shake her hands and I was rejected immediately on the grounds that ‘conservative’ people like me are not accepted in his organization and I would present a very bad picture of the organization to prospective employees during interviews. (Again, I can name the HR head and the company and the company proudly present itself as ranked in Top 50 "Best Companies to Work for in India - 2011" by Great Place to Work).
You may request other MUSLIMS NOT TO DO WHICH IS AGAINST THE WILL OF ALLAH
I am not at all concerned what other Muslims might be doing in the same organization. I only want that my employer don’t isolate my actions to tell me that why I am acting ‘extremist’, ‘strange’, while other muslims (in the same organization) aren’t doing so.
if it is HELPING YOUR ORGANISATION, PLEASE DO IT
Again, I am asking this question because one of my Hindu friends has worked for around 4-5 years as a HR executive in one of the top MNC in Gurgaon and he told me that its common practice to do manipulation and forging of HR audits so that to present a ‘acceptable’ picture to seniors. Again, it might be helping the organization but if it’s a lie, it’s a lie. If it’s cheating, its cheating and there’s no compromise on it, period!
AGREE. Its your LIFE, you DECIDE in what way you want to LIVE. You may take support of ANNA HAZARE to get rid of CORRUPTION or to STOP people from PRACTICING UNETHICAL HABITS.
I am not at all asking of my personal choice to not pay bribes. I am asking what if I am asked by my seniors to do so for acquiring some benefit for the company.
AGREE. WHO ASKED YOU JOIN? IF YOU JOIN, WHO ASKED/FORCED YOU TO DRINK ALCOHOL ETC AGAINST YOUR WILL
No one can force me to join but what I asked is the acceptance level of such an employee who wants to remain totally isolated from all such social events(involving the mentioned things). Moreover, I believe a HR person may be required to arrange such parties occasionally.
Please perform your PRAYERS-IN-TIME and if you cant due to GENUINE REASONS, you can perform after some time. ALLAH WILL FORGIVE YOU AND REMEMBER HE IS WATCHING EVERYONE.
Brother, presently I am on the verge of completion of my MAHRM and I am also a student of Bachelor of Islamic Studies from an online university and also studying Islam (informally) since the last 4-5 years. What could be the ‘supposed’ genuine reasons for a Muslim male to not offer prayers? Prayers were also offered in the battlefield and as per teachings of Prophet (Peace and Blessing of Allah be Upon Him), if one can’t prayers standing, he must do it sitting, if not sitting, then lying down, if not by lying down, then at least by actions and if that’s also not possible, then the person has to do it in his mind, if he’s conscious and sane.
To nashbramhall
“Point 4 should also be not a problem as people will understand, as shaking hands with a woman is not not normal Indian practice. One can do Namasthe (that does not mean bowing the head), It is just a way of greeting in India.”
I was selected as a HR intern in a very big IT company and the HR Head (Male) took me to meet my immediate supervisor (Female) and she forwarded her hand and with all respect, I declined to shake her hands and I was rejected immediately on the grounds that ‘conservative’ people like me are not accepted in his organization and I would present a very bad picture of the organization to prospective employees during interviews. (Again, I can name the HR head and the company and the company proudly present itself as ranked in Top 50 "Best Companies to Work for in India - 2011" by Great Place to Work).
“As India is a Secular country, the organisations just cannot cater to the needs of anyone religious community's requirement. Hence, you will find that certain of the above 12 needs may need to be compromised”
Again, a practicing Muslim can’t compromise point 10 and 11. Those Muslims compromising point 10 and 11 are either ignorant or plainly careless about their faith (i.e., not practicing)
“For example, getting away from meetings to offer prayers in Points 1 and 2. Companies cannot afford o give extra time for prayers and the concerned staff member would be required to work extra time to compensate for the time taken for the prayer.”
Not at all a problem, I thought it was implied in my statement that if I am taking time-off for prayers during work hours, I must necessarily compensate by working over-time. I have no problem in doing so. In fact, it’s the other way round, if I am not doing extra time and getting the same salary (i.e., without deductions), I am dishonest to my employer.
“Regarding Point 2, I wonder what the Quran says about going to a mosque if it is not in the close vicinity!!”
As such there’s nothing in Quran or any other authentic hadith (statement of Prophet) defining the distance of the mosque to be considered valid for offering Jumuah prayers. In fact, as per the majority opinion of the Islamic scholars, a mosque isn’t a necessary requirement for offering Juma’h (Friday) prayers (i.e., in absence of a dedicated mosque, 2 or more Muslims can make a congregation in any place and offer Friday prayers). If the mosque isn’t in close vicinity (that’s the reason I mentioned 45 to 1 hours because I included the traveling time and the actual prayer time), one can just make a congregation of 2 or more Muslims in any place and offer the Jumua’h prayers. Actually, once I get the actual permission to offer prayers, where to offer prayers is flexible in nature and can be decided upon as the respective situation. I only asked of the very permission to go out of the office on every Friday afternoon for 45 mins to max 1 hour.
“I hope I am not hurting anyone's feelings. If I have please accept my apologies.”
You aren’t hurting anyone feelings. I genuinely appreciate that you took your time to answer my queries.
To sajidmamba
I wonder which city are you working and which company considers all points from 1 to 12 ? I am delighted to work in such a company
To naziyasm
“Am sorry to say this is not the topic to be discussed on Citehr kindly meet your mosque priest he will guide in context to quran guidelines.”
Its very much to discussed here only because I need the answer from working professionals, not from mosque priest.
“Kindly correct your thinking we dont have muslim by faith or name. Muslim is just a muslim he just needs Hidayat from Allah.”
Brother/Sister, with due respect, I want you to learn more about Islam before commenting on things you don’t know. I am informally studying Islam since the last 4-5 years and since last year, I am doing Bachelor of Islamic Studies. There’s indeed a difference between a Muslim by tongue and a Muslim by Faith. The difference is even mentioned in Qura’n. This is not a place for discussion on Islamic theology. I don’t want to deflect on the original topic. If interested, you can take my email or phone number and we can discuss the same.
“Offering Namaz for five times read farz namaz for that if your work load is heavy.”
Obviously, I am talking of at least Farz namaz. I am not including Sunnah. In 15 minutes, one can only offer Wudu and do 4 Rakaat Farz Namaz.
“Friday namaz u can skip bayan before namaz & it will not take 1 hr right. just request ur management to change ur lunch timings on Friday”
Ofcourse, I am not talking about Bayan, i am just referring to khutbah and the actual namaz. But I also included the distance for going and coming back to Namaz. If you mean the Khutbah (in Arabic) to be Bayan, then sorry that can't be skipped because it is a part of Namaz.
“Fasting is not a problem u can fast.(kindly explain what is the problem in fasting) During fasting we cant ask for concession we have to work as normal day.”
I am never talked of any concession; neither had I wanted a concession of even a single minute. I won’t even have given any sort of concession (except for breaking Iftar) to other Muslims if I were to be a supervisor/superior. I am only asking that what if a ‘very important’ business lunch is scheduled during the month of Ramdaan and I have to deny the request because I am fasting.
“No female will ask u to shake hands. just as samb said do namaste.”
I was selected as a HR intern in a very big IT company and the HR Head (Male) took me to meet my immediate supervisor (Female) and she forwarded her hand and with all respect, I declined to shake her hands and I was rejected immediately on the grounds that ‘conservative’ people like me are not accepted in his organization and I would present a very bad picture of the organization to prospective employees during interviews. (Again, I can name the HR head and the company and the company proudly present itself as ranked in Top 50 "Best Companies to Work for in India - 2011" by Great Place to Work). Not only that, I was severely rebuked for being a fanatic and extremist for doing so by a teacher of mine in the university where I study (and guess where I study, it’s Jamia Millia Islamia). And before this scolding, I was rebuked by two other teachers of my college for the same issue (Ironically, one was Muslim amongst the three).
“Keep your records updated then the problem of cheating will not arise.”
Obviously, I will keep my records straight and I am only asking if the seniors would ask me to do some manipulation. Again, I am asking this question because one of my Hindu friends has worked for around 4-5 years as a HR executive in one of the top MNC in Gurgaon and he told me that its common practice to do manipulation and forging of HR audits so that to present a ‘acceptable’ picture to seniors. Again, it might be helping the organization but if it’s a lie, it’s a lie. If it’s cheating, it’s cheating and there’s no compromise on it, period!
“Boss is asking u to forge documents u r not insisting on forge document Allah knows what u r dont worry just pray for ur boss.”
This is not how it works in Islam, Brother/Sister! Allah says, “Help one another in righteousness and piety, but do not help one another in sin and transgression.” Surat Al-Ma'idah, (verse 2). If I assist my boss in doing sin, I would carry the burden of sin on my shoulders. So, I just can’t wash-off my hands by saying it was my boss who asked me to do so. Yes, there are certain things which are obligated by Government of India and I have no choice but to comply with the law of land because it was something which is enforced, not a matter of choice. (For e.g., writing/maintaining the PF/ESI records of employees is sin in Islam because of involvement of Interest/Gambling but since it’s a mandatory requirement of Govt. of India, one has no choice but to do it because he has to do it even in his company)
“we are religious tolerance people no problem in attending or arranging parties. Kindly take help of your mosque cleric he will explain u do's & dont's.”
Please don’t use the word, ‘we’. Talk for yourself. Islam is indeed but there are certain things a Muslim can’t do. I already know the Islamic rulings on the basis of which I am making such points.
“message ur problem in Istakara website they will reply you.”
This is not an issue of Istekhara. Istekhara has to be done in the case of deciding between two equally permissible matters and moreover, one does Istekhara himself (or herself), not asking others to do it. (Anyway, again this is deflecting from the topic)
From India, Mumbai
Community Support and Knowledge-base on business, career and organisational prospects and issues - Register and Log In to CiteHR and post your query, download formats and be part of a fostered community of professionals.
WORK PLACE STANDARDS - Blank.doc
06b-Form VI-B (Notice of Commencement of Contract Work).pdf
Work-life_balan ce_117.ppt