Dear All
The ongoing debate & movement against corruption in the country has once again brought to focus the rampant corruption in corporate India in general and my concern in specific: Corporate HR.
Not that everyone in the corporate HR is corrupt but then it is only once you are in a position to take a bribe / commission that you are actually tested. Not many get this "chance" apart from of course who are dealing with recruitment & Training consultants and are involved in outsourcing HR related services from vendors
Mr Anna Hazare talks about Lokpal & Baba Ramdev talks about Black money.....but I feel the malice has seeped much deeper into us indians. It has become part of our character to accept bribing as part of life, "NORMAL" way of doings things.
The HR Managers who claim to "Develop Human Resources" need to develop themselves first (from greedy wolves on the lookout for their next commission) before trying to "Develop" Human resources in this country.
We need to expose such HR Managers and bring them to book. They should realize that if caught taking commission they would be barred for ever from working in Corporate India.
I know my language is acerbic, but please bear with a frustrated common man fed up of trying to earn an honest living with an additional burden of waving off the vultures circling overhead...... and the wolves hiding in the bushes ready to pounce on my loaf of bread.
Now having said that..I am expecting either of the below;
1. Complete silence from the HR Community (Cat never puts a bell around its neck!)
2. Angry questions about my own ethical practices (Killing the messenger / The whistle blower / Conscious stirrer!)
Good HR Associates
From India, Chandigarh
4The ongoing debate & movement against corruption in the country has once again brought to focus the rampant corruption in corporate India in general and my concern in specific: Corporate HR.
Not that everyone in the corporate HR is corrupt but then it is only once you are in a position to take a bribe / commission that you are actually tested. Not many get this "chance" apart from of course who are dealing with recruitment & Training consultants and are involved in outsourcing HR related services from vendors
Mr Anna Hazare talks about Lokpal & Baba Ramdev talks about Black money.....but I feel the malice has seeped much deeper into us indians. It has become part of our character to accept bribing as part of life, "NORMAL" way of doings things.
The HR Managers who claim to "Develop Human Resources" need to develop themselves first (from greedy wolves on the lookout for their next commission) before trying to "Develop" Human resources in this country.
We need to expose such HR Managers and bring them to book. They should realize that if caught taking commission they would be barred for ever from working in Corporate India.
I know my language is acerbic, but please bear with a frustrated common man fed up of trying to earn an honest living with an additional burden of waving off the vultures circling overhead...... and the wolves hiding in the bushes ready to pounce on my loaf of bread.
Now having said that..I am expecting either of the below;
1. Complete silence from the HR Community (Cat never puts a bell around its neck!)
2. Angry questions about my own ethical practices (Killing the messenger / The whistle blower / Conscious stirrer!)
Good HR Associates
From India, Chandigarh
Corruption has spread its root through out the globe. In underdeveloped, developing and developed nations.
Common men are most affected and when we get chance we do the same. It's now a blaming game throwing mud on one another.
India is a land of follower and our leader sacrifices us for self benefit. Revolution day will come between have and have not. Hope for the best and do your own part with honesty.
From India, Bhubaneswar
Common men are most affected and when we get chance we do the same. It's now a blaming game throwing mud on one another.
India is a land of follower and our leader sacrifices us for self benefit. Revolution day will come between have and have not. Hope for the best and do your own part with honesty.
From India, Bhubaneswar
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Are there no thinkers / Intellectuals/ Opinion Makers in Cite HR????????
I guess I am barking up the wrong tree Can anybody suggest me a more serious Forum where we can discuss things related to corporate India on a more serious note??
Good.HR.Associates
From India, Chandigarh
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No of Replies: 74
Topic: TDS on salary !!
No of Replies: 41
Topic: Attendance sheet format !!!!!
No of Replies: 20
Topic: I need some ideas for fun office events/parties/games? ..WOW..WOW!!!
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Are there no thinkers / Intellectuals/ Opinion Makers in Cite HR????????
I guess I am barking up the wrong tree Can anybody suggest me a more serious Forum where we can discuss things related to corporate India on a more serious note??
Good.HR.Associates
From India, Chandigarh
Hello Good H.R
I think looking at your post, you seem to be very much experienced. Lemme tell you this, all these philosophical touch in todays world are no more valued at the level what you expect.
Lemme classify in a very simple way .. Different characters you can see around you .. >
1. Good
2.Not so Good
3. Can be good
We can choose to be what we want. Again, it depends on what you think you are and what you will be.
Bottom line is, corruption should be completely at a stop.
But do you think this will happen? If it does then Hurray!!
If not, then Let's bring up a new word "ethical corruption"
Regards
Nikhil R
From India, Bangalore
I think looking at your post, you seem to be very much experienced. Lemme tell you this, all these philosophical touch in todays world are no more valued at the level what you expect.
Lemme classify in a very simple way .. Different characters you can see around you .. >
1. Good
2.Not so Good
3. Can be good
We can choose to be what we want. Again, it depends on what you think you are and what you will be.
Bottom line is, corruption should be completely at a stop.
But do you think this will happen? If it does then Hurray!!
If not, then Let's bring up a new word "ethical corruption"
Regards
Nikhil R
From India, Bangalore
Hello Good H.R
I think looking at your post, you seem to be very much experienced. Lemme tell you this, all these philosophical touch in todays world are no more valued at the level what you expect.
Lemme classify in a very simple way .. Different characters you can see around you .. >
1. Good
2.Not so Good
3. Can be good
We can choose to be what we want. Again, it depends on what you think you are and what you will be.
Bottom line is, corruption should be completely at a stop.
But do you think this will happen? If it does then Hurray!!
If not, then Let's bring up a new word "ethical corruption"
Regards
Nikhil R
From India, Bangalore
I think looking at your post, you seem to be very much experienced. Lemme tell you this, all these philosophical touch in todays world are no more valued at the level what you expect.
Lemme classify in a very simple way .. Different characters you can see around you .. >
1. Good
2.Not so Good
3. Can be good
We can choose to be what we want. Again, it depends on what you think you are and what you will be.
Bottom line is, corruption should be completely at a stop.
But do you think this will happen? If it does then Hurray!!
If not, then Let's bring up a new word "ethical corruption"
Regards
Nikhil R
From India, Bangalore
From what is guessed from your query is that Maybe you are a Placement Guy and you are angry at the Commission to be paid to HR-Sena in various companies for closing positions....Well i can understand your frustration as the practice of paying 15%-20% commission for closing positions intentionally on higher CTC exists rampant in the Industry and especially so in Big Name Industry.....I have also seen HR Managers not knowing what they are doing but end up recruiting wrong people at wrong posts for the 'Right Price'......And mind you its the same Public that will support a Anna Hazare or Ramdev for Anti Corruption......But also note the fact that given an opportunity to get a Bribe, I bet most of us Indians will go for it......As you said, its deeply ingrained in our Culture....Something which the 'Learned Souls' say "Live and Let Live Culture".....And its not only HR, you name anything and Indians have a knack of extracting extra penny somehow or the other....The 'Bakshish-Culture' thrown by the British to our people during pre-independence period seems to live long enough in our country. But in hind-sight also note the following facts very well known to even a just-born Indian:
1) How many amongst us won't bribe the Police to get a Passport Clearance done????
2) How many would not Jump the Queue to catch a bus/vehicle at the earliest????
3) How many would not give an extra Rs 10-20 for getting a Gas Cylinder before date????
4) How many won't give Bribe (donation) to a school to get their children admission????
5) How many won't bribe someone or other to get placed in a reputed job or company????
6) How many won't evade paying Taxes due to the Government????
7) How many won't bribe a Judiciary officials in legal matters to get favours in Legal Matters????
8) How many won't spit/ litter to dirty roads???
and the questions will go on and on and on and on.........In a country where Moral Science and Civics studies are OPTIONAL and Not compulsory to Pass Out, my dear friend you cannot expect that a fast or an agitation will change things all that much.............rgrds
From India, Mumbai
1) How many amongst us won't bribe the Police to get a Passport Clearance done????
2) How many would not Jump the Queue to catch a bus/vehicle at the earliest????
3) How many would not give an extra Rs 10-20 for getting a Gas Cylinder before date????
4) How many won't give Bribe (donation) to a school to get their children admission????
5) How many won't bribe someone or other to get placed in a reputed job or company????
6) How many won't evade paying Taxes due to the Government????
7) How many won't bribe a Judiciary officials in legal matters to get favours in Legal Matters????
8) How many won't spit/ litter to dirty roads???
and the questions will go on and on and on and on.........In a country where Moral Science and Civics studies are OPTIONAL and Not compulsory to Pass Out, my dear friend you cannot expect that a fast or an agitation will change things all that much.............rgrds
From India, Mumbai
Good question.
before moving to HR on corruption, let me quote one example.
we offer corruption even at temples where we go for mental peace. We bypass queue by giving bribe. we offer bribe to poojaris to have closer glimpse of santum-sanctorum.
who is to be blamed for the rampant corruption? obviously, the person who is offering the bribe.
Pon
From India, Lucknow
before moving to HR on corruption, let me quote one example.
we offer corruption even at temples where we go for mental peace. We bypass queue by giving bribe. we offer bribe to poojaris to have closer glimpse of santum-sanctorum.
who is to be blamed for the rampant corruption? obviously, the person who is offering the bribe.
Pon
From India, Lucknow
Thanks for your comments.
You are right we do placements for corporates.
But let me clarify:
Good HR Associates
From India, Chandigarh
You are right we do placements for corporates.
But let me clarify:
- WE DO NOT PAY COMMISSIONS.
- WE DO NOT WORK FOR COMPANIES WHERE THE HR HEAD / MANAGER EXPECTS A COMMISSION
Good HR Associates
From India, Chandigarh
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I wonder why did you distance your self from India by referring to it to as "a country", almost as if you you were refering to XYZ country!!! By distancing your self you tend to sit in the judge's seat and start judging.
So let's not judge India or Indians & start judging ourselves.
I agree with you..Whoever said that a fast / agitation can change things. That is what I am saying if you read carefully.
We need to change our character. I myself have been upright and find myself on the RIGHT side of all your 8 questions above. (Now please do not cross question and ask for proof. Just believe it..Please)
I am doing my bit. But my concern is that unless more people change for good. The good will always keep taking a beating.
It is basically one bunch out numbering the other.
Good HR Associates.
From India, Chandigarh
I wonder why did you distance your self from India by referring to it to as "a country", almost as if you you were refering to XYZ country!!! By distancing your self you tend to sit in the judge's seat and start judging.
So let's not judge India or Indians & start judging ourselves.
I agree with you..Whoever said that a fast / agitation can change things. That is what I am saying if you read carefully.
We need to change our character. I myself have been upright and find myself on the RIGHT side of all your 8 questions above. (Now please do not cross question and ask for proof. Just believe it..Please)
I am doing my bit. But my concern is that unless more people change for good. The good will always keep taking a beating.
It is basically one bunch out numbering the other.
Good HR Associates.
From India, Chandigarh
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