Hello folks,
I am Kannan. I hope this message finds you in good health and prosperity. I am seeking details regarding Change Management as my friend is working on a project in this area. Could you please assist me with some information? I am looking forward to your prompt response.
Thank you,
Kannan
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1I am Kannan. I hope this message finds you in good health and prosperity. I am seeking details regarding Change Management as my friend is working on a project in this area. Could you please assist me with some information? I am looking forward to your prompt response.
Thank you,
Kannan
From India, Madras
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Kannan, please search CiteHr, as well as the web using Google; you will get much information. Simhan
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Mr. Nash,
I have been viewing your comments and replies, and on most occasions, I feel that you end up commenting, "to search over the site." If you do not wish to contribute, you can stay quiet instead of passing your comments like, "you have not done groundwork... and so on." You may be an academician in the UK, but when you are unable to understand the queries and the plight of the individuals who post their questions and do not wish to waste your valuable time, it would be better to stay silent instead of offending the Cite HR members.
Sanjeev
From India, Delhi
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I have been viewing your comments and replies, and on most occasions, I feel that you end up commenting, "to search over the site." If you do not wish to contribute, you can stay quiet instead of passing your comments like, "you have not done groundwork... and so on." You may be an academician in the UK, but when you are unable to understand the queries and the plight of the individuals who post their questions and do not wish to waste your valuable time, it would be better to stay silent instead of offending the Cite HR members.
Sanjeev
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It appears as though you have not read my comments and contributions properly.
Maybe you feed a person for a day. I try to enable them to learn to feed themselves.
Kindly take a look at one of the students I have helped.
Situation will make us do things... we are all in search of capsules, right? I also made an attempt, a shortcut for easily getting the questionnaire, but I failed. I found all types of questionnaires over here except our topic. It was very urgent for me, and there were no options at all. At last, lazy Sayana decided to prepare a questionnaire by herself, and I did. For that, I referred to the factory act of welfare measure, company profile, their welfare facilities, questionnaire formats available over here, etc. All the time of my experience shows that we become lazy because of the facilities available to us. Actually, all this is meant to make us more capable, but we are misusing these facilities. I am also in that list. At first, I got irritated when I read the reply by the moderator, Mr. Nashbramhall, advising not to expect someone else to send a questionnaire. At that time, I thought, for what purpose is this citehr for? Anyway, I know you people are also like me, so I am attaching my questionnaire with regard to welfare measures. I don't know how successful I have been in preparing these questionnaires, but I hope it will also be helpful to you.
With regards,
Sayana N.A
There are so many like that who move on to write to me by email and also progress to get my Skype/Yahoo messenger ID, where they get instant advice.
Anyway, thanks for your unsolicited advice.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
Mr. Nash,
I have been viewing your comments and replies, and in most of the occasions, I feel that you end up commenting, "to search over the site." If you do not wish to contribute, you can stay quiet instead of passing your comments with "you have not done the groundwork... and so on." You may be an academician in the UK, but when you are not able to understand the query and plight of persons who post their questions and don't want to waste your valuable time, you should just be quiet instead of offending the cite HR members.
Sanjeev
From United Kingdom
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Maybe you feed a person for a day. I try to enable them to learn to feed themselves.
Kindly take a look at one of the students I have helped.
Situation will make us do things... we are all in search of capsules, right? I also made an attempt, a shortcut for easily getting the questionnaire, but I failed. I found all types of questionnaires over here except our topic. It was very urgent for me, and there were no options at all. At last, lazy Sayana decided to prepare a questionnaire by herself, and I did. For that, I referred to the factory act of welfare measure, company profile, their welfare facilities, questionnaire formats available over here, etc. All the time of my experience shows that we become lazy because of the facilities available to us. Actually, all this is meant to make us more capable, but we are misusing these facilities. I am also in that list. At first, I got irritated when I read the reply by the moderator, Mr. Nashbramhall, advising not to expect someone else to send a questionnaire. At that time, I thought, for what purpose is this citehr for? Anyway, I know you people are also like me, so I am attaching my questionnaire with regard to welfare measures. I don't know how successful I have been in preparing these questionnaires, but I hope it will also be helpful to you.
With regards,
Sayana N.A
There are so many like that who move on to write to me by email and also progress to get my Skype/Yahoo messenger ID, where they get instant advice.
Anyway, thanks for your unsolicited advice.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
Mr. Nash,
I have been viewing your comments and replies, and in most of the occasions, I feel that you end up commenting, "to search over the site." If you do not wish to contribute, you can stay quiet instead of passing your comments with "you have not done the groundwork... and so on." You may be an academician in the UK, but when you are not able to understand the query and plight of persons who post their questions and don't want to waste your valuable time, you should just be quiet instead of offending the cite HR members.
Sanjeev
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It's not a question of feeding a person for a day or, Mr. Nash, we do not need a teacher here. We are all here to share knowledge with one another, and I am aware of your contributions; there is no need to constantly remind us in all your posts with examples of your greatness.
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There is a saying whose origin I do not know. It goes like this:
"He who knows and knows that he knows is wise, follow him.
He who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep, wake him.
He who knows not and knows that he knows not is ignorant, teach him.
He who knows not and knows that he knows not is a fool, ignore him."
People who give scant information and seek answers belong to the 3rd class, and I try to teach them. Kindly see my other posts where people have given enough information, done some work, and then asked for guidance.
Again, thanks for the unsolicited advice.
Have a nice day,
Simhan
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"He who knows and knows that he knows is wise, follow him.
He who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep, wake him.
He who knows not and knows that he knows not is ignorant, teach him.
He who knows not and knows that he knows not is a fool, ignore him."
People who give scant information and seek answers belong to the 3rd class, and I try to teach them. Kindly see my other posts where people have given enough information, done some work, and then asked for guidance.
Again, thanks for the unsolicited advice.
Have a nice day,
Simhan
From United Kingdom
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Dear Sanjeev,
I'd appreciate it if you could take some time to review Mr. Simhan's profile and his work. Before you comment, consider who and for what you are commenting.
Please understand, a project work is the effort of an individual utilizing their creative ability and logical thinking. We can suggest ways to improve or correct submitted work, which will be beneficial for the individual. However, we should not simply dismiss it.
There are "n" number of people selling projects and "N" number of colleges that do not mind. However, that does not represent quality education or guidance. It is unreasonable to critique Mr. Simhan's response, as he values quality and originality. I fail to see the reason behind your request for him not to comment. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you do not find the answer you seek, please refrain from blaming us; instead, avoid posting here. Citehr is not a platform for spoon-feeding.
Sanjeev, please do not defend someone who is unwilling to put in the effort. The person who posted should also make some individual effort, at least in briefing on the work completed so far.
Regarding the question on Change Management:
Kannan, could you please provide more specific details on what you are looking for? Have you tried asking your friend about the aspect of "Change Management" they are interested in - whether it's related to change management during a recession, change management through technology upgrades, or due to management changes? It is a vast topic.
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I'd appreciate it if you could take some time to review Mr. Simhan's profile and his work. Before you comment, consider who and for what you are commenting.
Please understand, a project work is the effort of an individual utilizing their creative ability and logical thinking. We can suggest ways to improve or correct submitted work, which will be beneficial for the individual. However, we should not simply dismiss it.
There are "n" number of people selling projects and "N" number of colleges that do not mind. However, that does not represent quality education or guidance. It is unreasonable to critique Mr. Simhan's response, as he values quality and originality. I fail to see the reason behind your request for him not to comment. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you do not find the answer you seek, please refrain from blaming us; instead, avoid posting here. Citehr is not a platform for spoon-feeding.
Sanjeev, please do not defend someone who is unwilling to put in the effort. The person who posted should also make some individual effort, at least in briefing on the work completed so far.
Regarding the question on Change Management:
Kannan, could you please provide more specific details on what you are looking for? Have you tried asking your friend about the aspect of "Change Management" they are interested in - whether it's related to change management during a recession, change management through technology upgrades, or due to management changes? It is a vast topic.
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If you don't want a teacher, that does not mean "we" don't want. What do you call sharing knowledge as? In your dictionary, it looks like you call it spoon feeding. Sharing ideas is different from sharing one's work! Would you teach your son how to ride his bike, or tell him that you will ride for him? This is just like that; any learning has to undergo some efforts from self!
If people wanted to prove their worth - trust me, they should not be here and proving it to anyone here on citehr. It's a pure helping mentality. Hope you got this, Mr. Sanjeev.
"It's not a question of feeding a person for a day or... Mr. Nash, we do not need a teacher here. We are all here to share knowledge amongst each other, and I am aware of your contributions. Undoubtedly, there's no need to remind in all your posts with one or the other examples of you being great."
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If people wanted to prove their worth - trust me, they should not be here and proving it to anyone here on citehr. It's a pure helping mentality. Hope you got this, Mr. Sanjeev.
"It's not a question of feeding a person for a day or... Mr. Nash, we do not need a teacher here. We are all here to share knowledge amongst each other, and I am aware of your contributions. Undoubtedly, there's no need to remind in all your posts with one or the other examples of you being great."
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Dear friends, please don't create a debate competition. Mr. Sanjeev, as mentioned by Mr. Simhan and Asha, let people search on citehr because there are a lot of things and topics related to change management. If you feel that you are not able to understand a particular topic, the Citehr members are here to explain. I request all of you to please be specific and not make personal comments as it doesn't suit HR professionals.
Dear Simhan Sir, we all respect your contribution to citehr.com; you do not need to justify it.
Regards,
Shine
From India, Bhopal
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Dear Simhan Sir, we all respect your contribution to citehr.com; you do not need to justify it.
Regards,
Shine
From India, Bhopal
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I have attached a file for the same topic. Regards Vijay Kumar
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Dear Sanjeev,
I'd appreciate if you could take some time to review Mr. Simhan's profile and his work. Before you comment, look at who and for what you are commenting. Please understand, a project work is the result of an individual's creative ability and logical thinking. We can suggest ways to improve or correct a submitted work, which will be helpful for the individual. However, let's not simply give a one-word answer.
There are "n" number of people who will sell projects, "N" number of colleges who don't mind that either. But that is not quality education or guidance. It's ridiculous to comment on Mr. Simhan's reply, as he values quality and originality. I don't understand why you would request him not to comment. It's a voice of opinion. If you can't find the answer you wish to hear, don't blame us; then don't post here. Citehr is not a place for spoon-feeding either.
Sanjeev, don't defend someone who is not putting in efforts to do the work. There must be some individual effort from the person who posted it too, at least in briefing the work completed until now.
Regarding the question on Change Management,
Kannan, could you please be more specific about what exactly you are looking at? I doubt if you tried asking your friend what "Change Management" he/she was looking at - change management in recession? Or Change Management through technology upgradation? Or because of Management? It's a vast topic.
I agree with Asha,
Mr. Sanjeev, from your profile, you appear mature, and since you are an HR Manager, you are in a better position to assess the situation. With due respect to you, I address you as Sir. What Simhan Sir wants to convey is to develop the ability of searching and obtaining information independently in members of this site. This is a good initiative. Instead of appreciating, or even if you don't appreciate, you could just have kept quiet. However, it seems you are adamant on this point, like a child crying for chocolate, and arguing with not just one but two members as if you are adamant that what you have posted is correct.
The rules of this site do not permit personal attacks on any member. You are requested to express your views in a simple and polite manner. What I find is your attitude is too arrogant, which is bad. Kindly make it a point to improve this.
Have a nice day, evening, night, or morning.
From India, Pune
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I'd appreciate if you could take some time to review Mr. Simhan's profile and his work. Before you comment, look at who and for what you are commenting. Please understand, a project work is the result of an individual's creative ability and logical thinking. We can suggest ways to improve or correct a submitted work, which will be helpful for the individual. However, let's not simply give a one-word answer.
There are "n" number of people who will sell projects, "N" number of colleges who don't mind that either. But that is not quality education or guidance. It's ridiculous to comment on Mr. Simhan's reply, as he values quality and originality. I don't understand why you would request him not to comment. It's a voice of opinion. If you can't find the answer you wish to hear, don't blame us; then don't post here. Citehr is not a place for spoon-feeding either.
Sanjeev, don't defend someone who is not putting in efforts to do the work. There must be some individual effort from the person who posted it too, at least in briefing the work completed until now.
Regarding the question on Change Management,
Kannan, could you please be more specific about what exactly you are looking at? I doubt if you tried asking your friend what "Change Management" he/she was looking at - change management in recession? Or Change Management through technology upgradation? Or because of Management? It's a vast topic.
I agree with Asha,
Mr. Sanjeev, from your profile, you appear mature, and since you are an HR Manager, you are in a better position to assess the situation. With due respect to you, I address you as Sir. What Simhan Sir wants to convey is to develop the ability of searching and obtaining information independently in members of this site. This is a good initiative. Instead of appreciating, or even if you don't appreciate, you could just have kept quiet. However, it seems you are adamant on this point, like a child crying for chocolate, and arguing with not just one but two members as if you are adamant that what you have posted is correct.
The rules of this site do not permit personal attacks on any member. You are requested to express your views in a simple and polite manner. What I find is your attitude is too arrogant, which is bad. Kindly make it a point to improve this.
Have a nice day, evening, night, or morning.
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Hello friends,
It's so sad that some people don't respect Nash, sir. I totally agree with Mr. K. Ravi and Ash. The most important thing is that one should go through the rules of HRcite before posting anything like this.
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It's so sad that some people don't respect Nash, sir. I totally agree with Mr. K. Ravi and Ash. The most important thing is that one should go through the rules of HRcite before posting anything like this.
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Dear Sanjeev,
I was shocked when I saw your message against SIMHAN, sir. Before pointing fingers at anyone, you should know about his profile. He is always ready to share knowledge, guiding members consistently. Do you know he is guiding more than 5 lakh members on Cite HR? If he explains everything in depth, how will he be able to contribute more? People like us are always looking for ready-made answers, isn't it? And you are replying to him arrogantly. We all respect him a lot because of his attitude – a man who is a senior member and a board moderator. Have you ever thought about why and how? No. So, I want to tell you that it's because of his own personality. Why don't we deserve that level? Because we don't deserve it. We don't have those kinds of personalities. I suggest you think a thousand times before commenting anything like this.
I can provide more than 20 links about change management from Cite HR alone, but I won't. Why should I? You have to develop your skills as SIMHAN, sir has already mentioned that he wants your development. And you are commenting like this. Now, you have to develop your skill in searching. Don't always look for ready-made answers where we have to provide the link, and you will be satisfied.
"Mr. Nash...
I have been viewing your comments and replies, and on most occasions, I feel that you end up commenting to 'search over the site.' If you do not wish to contribute, you can stay quiet instead of making comments like 'you have not done groundwork' and so on. You may be an academician in the UK, but when you cannot understand the queries and the plight of persons who post their questions and do not want to waste your valuable time, you should just stay quiet instead of offending the Cite HR members.
Sanjeev"
From India, Pune
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I was shocked when I saw your message against SIMHAN, sir. Before pointing fingers at anyone, you should know about his profile. He is always ready to share knowledge, guiding members consistently. Do you know he is guiding more than 5 lakh members on Cite HR? If he explains everything in depth, how will he be able to contribute more? People like us are always looking for ready-made answers, isn't it? And you are replying to him arrogantly. We all respect him a lot because of his attitude – a man who is a senior member and a board moderator. Have you ever thought about why and how? No. So, I want to tell you that it's because of his own personality. Why don't we deserve that level? Because we don't deserve it. We don't have those kinds of personalities. I suggest you think a thousand times before commenting anything like this.
I can provide more than 20 links about change management from Cite HR alone, but I won't. Why should I? You have to develop your skills as SIMHAN, sir has already mentioned that he wants your development. And you are commenting like this. Now, you have to develop your skill in searching. Don't always look for ready-made answers where we have to provide the link, and you will be satisfied.
"Mr. Nash...
I have been viewing your comments and replies, and on most occasions, I feel that you end up commenting to 'search over the site.' If you do not wish to contribute, you can stay quiet instead of making comments like 'you have not done groundwork' and so on. You may be an academician in the UK, but when you cannot understand the queries and the plight of persons who post their questions and do not want to waste your valuable time, you should just stay quiet instead of offending the Cite HR members.
Sanjeev"
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I am neither competent nor feel the need to act as a mediator in this context. However, I have a few submissions.
1. The calls for help on generic projects, especially those related to summer and similar projects, seem to indicate the unmet need for basic guidance and counseling for students and apprentices in HRM. I hold this view without attempting to judge whether a particular member who made such a post conducted legitimate research or not.
2. It appears that the frequently posted requests for help on generic projects could bring value to CiteHR. With some initial guidance, the results or projects that members come up with could be beneficial to CiteHR and other members.
3. I believe a significant strength of CiteHR is that it allows members to freely express themselves and fosters meaningful intellectual discussions. Therefore, could these types of posts be given their own separate space on the site? Could we assign counselor-like roles to a group of members willing to assist in these matters? There may be other solutions that can be beneficial for everyone.
In conclusion, I am saddened by the occurrence of such undesirable events; however, it may be time for us to learn from this experience and move forward.
On a lighter note, Nash Sir sometimes reminds me of Prof. Dumbledore, and I mean this in a warm and humble way.
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1. The calls for help on generic projects, especially those related to summer and similar projects, seem to indicate the unmet need for basic guidance and counseling for students and apprentices in HRM. I hold this view without attempting to judge whether a particular member who made such a post conducted legitimate research or not.
2. It appears that the frequently posted requests for help on generic projects could bring value to CiteHR. With some initial guidance, the results or projects that members come up with could be beneficial to CiteHR and other members.
3. I believe a significant strength of CiteHR is that it allows members to freely express themselves and fosters meaningful intellectual discussions. Therefore, could these types of posts be given their own separate space on the site? Could we assign counselor-like roles to a group of members willing to assist in these matters? There may be other solutions that can be beneficial for everyone.
In conclusion, I am saddened by the occurrence of such undesirable events; however, it may be time for us to learn from this experience and move forward.
On a lighter note, Nash Sir sometimes reminds me of Prof. Dumbledore, and I mean this in a warm and humble way.
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Dear Surya,
Thank you for the contribution. You are correct when you say that students who ask do not have good guides. However, that does not mean they do not know how to search the web. By the time they reach the project stage, they will have worked on their assignments; hence, they know how to access the web.
Regarding your last point, I did not know who Prof. Dumbledore was. Hence, I searched the web and found out at HPL: Albus Dumbledore. I wish I could live as long as he did so that I could serve more students. However, I do not resemble him in physical appearance. On a lighter note, I wish I had as much hair as he has been shown to have.
I would like to know what character or approach of mine is similar to his, as I have not seen Harry Potter's movies.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
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Thank you for the contribution. You are correct when you say that students who ask do not have good guides. However, that does not mean they do not know how to search the web. By the time they reach the project stage, they will have worked on their assignments; hence, they know how to access the web.
Regarding your last point, I did not know who Prof. Dumbledore was. Hence, I searched the web and found out at HPL: Albus Dumbledore. I wish I could live as long as he did so that I could serve more students. However, I do not resemble him in physical appearance. On a lighter note, I wish I had as much hair as he has been shown to have.
I would like to know what character or approach of mine is similar to his, as I have not seen Harry Potter's movies.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
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Oops, quite heated up! Good. Sometimes people give vent to their feelings, and it's also good to see how a person defends and how a moderator jumps in. It's all a part of growing up, and everyone needs to learn to play all the roles!
Interesting!
Geeta
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Interesting!
Geeta
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Dear Mr. Simhan,
Prof. Dumbledore is serious, but he does everything well for the students and the institution. He may not come across as a friendly or jovial teacher, but he can crack a joke or two and hint at things to be done privately with students or colleagues whom he likes. Overall, he is a highly respected school head who knows what needs to be done and how to do it.
I like all the characters in the Harry Potter series and don't mind remembering them and writing about them.
Regards,
Geeta
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Prof. Dumbledore is serious, but he does everything well for the students and the institution. He may not come across as a friendly or jovial teacher, but he can crack a joke or two and hint at things to be done privately with students or colleagues whom he likes. Overall, he is a highly respected school head who knows what needs to be done and how to do it.
I like all the characters in the Harry Potter series and don't mind remembering them and writing about them.
Regards,
Geeta
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Just chill guys...I thinks we should stop the chain of blaming and correcting each other.....Please concentrate on other things which needs more attention....:)
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It seems that controversy is the sure shot way of being in the top 10 posts of the week ! :)
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Thanks to Geeta.
For me, Prof. Dumbledore is apparently venerable, a keeper of secrets, seemingly a strict disciplinarian but surprisingly playful at times. He is a guide and godfather-like figure for kids who may grow to dislike his ways but trust him as a protector against the forces of the dark.
My intention is not to say that Mr. Nash and Dumbledore are the same, but that there seems to be a certain likeness. To appreciate my comments, one needs to read a Potter book and perhaps engage in transactional analysis for self-reflection.
Regarding searching the web and other readily available resources, yes, this may be desirable to maintain certain standards in terms of the posts. However, could it be that by not conducting the search first, the members asking for help are perhaps showing how they value this site and the resourcefulness of the members? Could that be a good thing if it's okay with other members?
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For me, Prof. Dumbledore is apparently venerable, a keeper of secrets, seemingly a strict disciplinarian but surprisingly playful at times. He is a guide and godfather-like figure for kids who may grow to dislike his ways but trust him as a protector against the forces of the dark.
My intention is not to say that Mr. Nash and Dumbledore are the same, but that there seems to be a certain likeness. To appreciate my comments, one needs to read a Potter book and perhaps engage in transactional analysis for self-reflection.
Regarding searching the web and other readily available resources, yes, this may be desirable to maintain certain standards in terms of the posts. However, could it be that by not conducting the search first, the members asking for help are perhaps showing how they value this site and the resourcefulness of the members? Could that be a good thing if it's okay with other members?
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· Mr. Sanjeev it is very ridiculous from your part to ask Mr. Narasimhan to Keep quiet
· This is not a Froum for Pre KG students. It is a Professional Network.
· Of Late, we find members postings request that they need this, that etc.,
· If they get it readymade they are happy. If Not they puy the balem on the members.
· As a professional, why cant we do some homework in getting the material & then post it for help.
· Change Mgmt is huge area & there is a seperate section for the same in Citehr.
· I am fully with Narasimhan 100%.
· i never go by the profile or never want to make anyone feel great.
· Mr. Sanjeev instead of you pointing Mr. Narasimhan, you couald have given the required details & then u could ahve thought about pointing Narasimhan.
· I never giev readymade materials. I give only links.
· Also, understand if the material is given, the person will only stick to that & will NEVER think beyond thats. so by this u r making him handicapped..
· Only for any case study, for any problem, direct answers can be given... not for postings like this.
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· This is not a Froum for Pre KG students. It is a Professional Network.
· Of Late, we find members postings request that they need this, that etc.,
· If they get it readymade they are happy. If Not they puy the balem on the members.
· As a professional, why cant we do some homework in getting the material & then post it for help.
· Change Mgmt is huge area & there is a seperate section for the same in Citehr.
· I am fully with Narasimhan 100%.
· i never go by the profile or never want to make anyone feel great.
· Mr. Sanjeev instead of you pointing Mr. Narasimhan, you couald have given the required details & then u could ahve thought about pointing Narasimhan.
· I never giev readymade materials. I give only links.
· Also, understand if the material is given, the person will only stick to that & will NEVER think beyond thats. so by this u r making him handicapped..
· Only for any case study, for any problem, direct answers can be given... not for postings like this.
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Mr. Peer and all others,
Whether you are with Mr. Narsimhan fully or partly does not interest me. What I have said makes sense to all the members who are curious to find an answer to his/her post at citehr. If you feel otherwise, I can't help you in the said connection.
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Whether you are with Mr. Narsimhan fully or partly does not interest me. What I have said makes sense to all the members who are curious to find an answer to his/her post at citehr. If you feel otherwise, I can't help you in the said connection.
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What great wisdom you have, Mr. Sanjeev.
What is curiosity when you have spent 2 years learning management or at least spent 3 years in graduation.
So, there is no curiosity. It is purely spoon-feeding that is expected.
What other feelings do you think or want us to feel?
By giving a person a fish, it will help only in getting food for the day. When you teach him how to fish, he will get food forever.
Understand this.
From India, Coimbatore
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What is curiosity when you have spent 2 years learning management or at least spent 3 years in graduation.
So, there is no curiosity. It is purely spoon-feeding that is expected.
What other feelings do you think or want us to feel?
By giving a person a fish, it will help only in getting food for the day. When you teach him how to fish, he will get food forever.
Understand this.
From India, Coimbatore
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Hello Everyone,
Quite interesting... the whole debate. And where is our GREAT Mr. Kannan after his first posting? Vanished into thin air...? And how does Mr. Sanjeev think he spent his time in seeing this thread, replying to it, and maybe seeing all the others' responses to his comments—fruitful or wasted?
Unless we are sure that the person who makes the posting is SERIOUS about his/her query, would it be worthwhile to spend time to answer? If the attitude is: my time is ONLY important to me... God save such souls and ours too.
And this is where Simhan's comments come... if the person (here it is Kannan, but there have been many earlier on CiteHR who vanish after posting) was serious, he/she would DEFINITELY have made a preliminary effort and said so. I am not sure if Sanjeev has better ideas on HOW TO JUDGE IF HE/SHE IS SERIOUS, except asking for the effort put in thus far.
I am sorry, Sanjeev if my comments have hurt you... but calling a spade a spade is better than nice & deviating comments.
Rgds, TS
From India, Hyderabad
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Quite interesting... the whole debate. And where is our GREAT Mr. Kannan after his first posting? Vanished into thin air...? And how does Mr. Sanjeev think he spent his time in seeing this thread, replying to it, and maybe seeing all the others' responses to his comments—fruitful or wasted?
Unless we are sure that the person who makes the posting is SERIOUS about his/her query, would it be worthwhile to spend time to answer? If the attitude is: my time is ONLY important to me... God save such souls and ours too.
And this is where Simhan's comments come... if the person (here it is Kannan, but there have been many earlier on CiteHR who vanish after posting) was serious, he/she would DEFINITELY have made a preliminary effort and said so. I am not sure if Sanjeev has better ideas on HOW TO JUDGE IF HE/SHE IS SERIOUS, except asking for the effort put in thus far.
I am sorry, Sanjeev if my comments have hurt you... but calling a spade a spade is better than nice & deviating comments.
Rgds, TS
From India, Hyderabad
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yes sanjeev you are a spade, and so better we call you a spade.. :-D:-D:icon6::icon6::icon1::icon1::-P:-P
From India, Pune
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I highly recommend a change leadership book called "Lessons from the Monkey King" on Amazon. It is one of the best books on culture change I have ever read. It talks about creating the 5 pillars of change and the step-by-step process of doing that.
Here is the link to the book on Amazon: [Amazon.com: Lessons from the Monkey King: Leading Change to Create GORILLA-SIZED RESULTS: Arthur F. Carmazzi: Books](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1440459770?ie=UTF8&tag=directivecomm-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creative ASIN=1440459770)
And you can get a soft copy from [link no longer exists - removed].
Hope this helps.
From Indonesia, Jakarta
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Here is the link to the book on Amazon: [Amazon.com: Lessons from the Monkey King: Leading Change to Create GORILLA-SIZED RESULTS: Arthur F. Carmazzi: Books](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1440459770?ie=UTF8&tag=directivecomm-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creative ASIN=1440459770)
And you can get a soft copy from [link no longer exists - removed].
Hope this helps.
From Indonesia, Jakarta
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I just happened to come across this discussion as the header interested me. And I must say that I completely agree with both Asha and Simhan.
And Simhan, the saying that you have posted is this: He who knows and knows that he knows is wise, follow him. He who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep, wake him. He who knows not and knows that he knows not is ignorant, teach him. He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool, ignore him.
From India, Hyderabad
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And Simhan, the saying that you have posted is this: He who knows and knows that he knows is wise, follow him. He who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep, wake him. He who knows not and knows that he knows not is ignorant, teach him. He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool, ignore him.
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I failed to understand what the initial question was and where it has ended up. I think one needs to focus on the main issue rather than diverting attention elsewhere. Moreover, one should refrain from making personal comments here as this is a professional site and a forum for acquiring knowledge. As for Mr. Simhan, I believe that as a Senior Moderator, one should respect him, seek his guidance, and not disturb him in public.
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From United Kingdom
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Aparna, I did not get your point in quoting what I posted? Simhan A retired academic in UK.
From United Kingdom
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Dear Mr. Sanjeev,
Please think before you act. Mr. Sinhan is a great personality. He is at the stage where he deserves respect, and despite this, you are talking this way. Have you ever gone through his profile? Along with this, his contribution to Cite-HR has helped all of us a lot. He never replies uselessly. He always helps students and professionals. This is a professional site. No one expects cooked food here. Mr. Octavious, Mr. Peer Sahab, Simhan Sir, and some great contributors are pillars of Cite-HR. I think it's a wrong comment you made. You should apologize.
From India, Indore
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Please think before you act. Mr. Sinhan is a great personality. He is at the stage where he deserves respect, and despite this, you are talking this way. Have you ever gone through his profile? Along with this, his contribution to Cite-HR has helped all of us a lot. He never replies uselessly. He always helps students and professionals. This is a professional site. No one expects cooked food here. Mr. Octavious, Mr. Peer Sahab, Simhan Sir, and some great contributors are pillars of Cite-HR. I think it's a wrong comment you made. You should apologize.
From India, Indore
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Oops! Sorry Simhan, I wasn't clear about the saying. In your post, the last 2 lines are the same. :) Anyway, it's not such an important issue. I have only recently started some activity on this site and am amazed at how many people are simply using this site to complete their projects. I absolutely believe in guiding people to the reading material and letting them do their groundwork. Cheers.
From India, Hyderabad
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From India, Hyderabad
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Aparana,
No need to apologize. If you read carefully, you will find that the last line is not the same as the previous one. In the first case, the person "knows that he knows not"; that means he is aware of his lack of knowledge; and he will benefit from being taught. In the second, the person "knows not that he knows not"; which means he is not even aware of his lack of knowledge, and hence, he should be ignored. No one can teach a person like that. There are quite a few like that.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
From United Kingdom
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No need to apologize. If you read carefully, you will find that the last line is not the same as the previous one. In the first case, the person "knows that he knows not"; that means he is aware of his lack of knowledge; and he will benefit from being taught. In the second, the person "knows not that he knows not"; which means he is not even aware of his lack of knowledge, and hence, he should be ignored. No one can teach a person like that. There are quite a few like that.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
From United Kingdom
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I request you humbly. Please maintain the dignity of Cite-HR. It's a professional forum, not our Lok Sabha. Behave like professionals, be mature. I appeal to every member to take care that unnecessary arguments and discussions are just a waste of time. Use it for knowledge enhancement.
From India, Indore
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I also agree with some statements that HR professionals are not like KG students who require spoon-feeding. As Peer Mohammad reminded, there is a separate forum for 'Change Management' on this site itself. One should have at least gone through the index of different forums before posting a question. There is nothing wrong in directing a person to refer to a particular book or site. I also find that there is no meaning in discussing the issue of a personal attack by a member, Mr. Sanjay, who had once attacked me also when I put a reply using a sentence like, "I think..." saying that I should reply specifically and it should not contain an element of doubt. It is obvious that when a reply is made on an issue, all of us contribute to get an end result. We all give our opinions, and these opinions may not be correct. I have not felt that I am perfect in Labor Laws and Industrial Relations, and as such, in most of my advice, you will find 'my versions/opinions' which will be expressed by using sentences with 'I think...'. That does not mean that one who knows something about a matter should not reply. It may be that clue or link which will lead to a final answer.
I also hope Kannan has his answer to his question about Change Management.
Regards,
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
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I also hope Kannan has his answer to his question about Change Management.
Regards,
Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
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Hi folks,
I regret to inform you that I am currently not in the office for a while. However, I have noticed that there have been numerous replies and comments that have been helpful to me. As Mr. Simhan mentioned earlier, there is a separate vertical dedicated to change management within our group. I was not aware of this initially, but I have now thoroughly gone through it and gained a wealth of information in this regard. Thank you!
I apologize if I have offended anyone here due to my delayed response. I hope this will not happen in the upcoming days.
Thank you to everybody.
Regards,
Kannan
From India, Madras
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I regret to inform you that I am currently not in the office for a while. However, I have noticed that there have been numerous replies and comments that have been helpful to me. As Mr. Simhan mentioned earlier, there is a separate vertical dedicated to change management within our group. I was not aware of this initially, but I have now thoroughly gone through it and gained a wealth of information in this regard. Thank you!
I apologize if I have offended anyone here due to my delayed response. I hope this will not happen in the upcoming days.
Thank you to everybody.
Regards,
Kannan
From India, Madras
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Dear Kannan,
I am glad that you found the information on another string. My objective in not giving a helping hand was to educate you to find for yourself, rather than spoon-feed. Kindly view and digest the message that ahujamamamia posted at citehr: [URL] https://www.citehr.com/169377-marble-story.html. Try to become the marble statue rather than the tile. I much appreciate the effort that you took.
Best wishes, Simhan
A retired academic in the UK
From United Kingdom
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I am glad that you found the information on another string. My objective in not giving a helping hand was to educate you to find for yourself, rather than spoon-feed. Kindly view and digest the message that ahujamamamia posted at citehr: [URL] https://www.citehr.com/169377-marble-story.html. Try to become the marble statue rather than the tile. I much appreciate the effort that you took.
Best wishes, Simhan
A retired academic in the UK
From United Kingdom
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