I have worked in Oracle India Pvt. Ltd. for 3 years right after B.E from 2009 to 2012 and then resigned to jump into entrepreneurship. The jump was made with the trust of a group of friends, and we worked hard for 3 years. We had just one person taking care of all administrative work who registered the company as Pvt. Ltd. and had himself and his family members as Directors on paper. The rest of us were just working out of mere trust and had no mention in any official document.
Unfortunately, just a couple of months ago, I was forced to leave the company. As a result, currently, I don't even have an experience certificate from the company because there is no official document proving that I was a part of it. All the proof I have is on my Facebook timeline, showing photos from those old times. So, when I apply for a job at a company now, I can only claim all my experience in entrepreneurship but cannot provide any official documentary proof. What should I do in this case?
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Unfortunately, just a couple of months ago, I was forced to leave the company. As a result, currently, I don't even have an experience certificate from the company because there is no official document proving that I was a part of it. All the proof I have is on my Facebook timeline, showing photos from those old times. So, when I apply for a job at a company now, I can only claim all my experience in entrepreneurship but cannot provide any official documentary proof. What should I do in this case?
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Hi Mohan, If you have resigned properly then you should be having resignation acceptance copy or any document provided by the company, so this may help you in getting new job. Thanks.
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Hi Ramita,
Unfortunately, it was a bitter conversation that I had with the founder, and then we just parted ways. Neither of us contacted each other. When there is no document stating that I am working in the company, I don't see how there would be a document to say that I resigned from the company.
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Unfortunately, it was a bitter conversation that I had with the founder, and then we just parted ways. Neither of us contacted each other. When there is no document stating that I am working in the company, I don't see how there would be a document to say that I resigned from the company.
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Forget it if your own friend's company cannot provide you with an experience certificate. Any organization can rely on a piece of paper known as an experience certificate, but not solely on a person.
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Hello Mohan,
How were you receiving your salary - through cheques, cash, or bank transfer? Were your salary payments regular or irregular? When was the last salary you received here? What is your technical skill profile?
You mentioned, "The rest of us were just working out of mere trust and no mention in any official document." How many people were there like you? Please provide the above information to arrive at a solution. I hope you have learned from this experience - always back up any informal understanding with paperwork.
Frankly, I am surprised. Either you guys have been too naive, or the directors have been too over-smart to take you for a ride.
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TS
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How were you receiving your salary - through cheques, cash, or bank transfer? Were your salary payments regular or irregular? When was the last salary you received here? What is your technical skill profile?
You mentioned, "The rest of us were just working out of mere trust and no mention in any official document." How many people were there like you? Please provide the above information to arrive at a solution. I hope you have learned from this experience - always back up any informal understanding with paperwork.
Frankly, I am surprised. Either you guys have been too naive, or the directors have been too over-smart to take you for a ride.
Regards,
TS
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Hello Tajsateesh! Here are the answers. Our payments initially were through cheques and later through bank transfers. Payments were regular, but for the last two months, neither was I paid nor reimbursed for the expenses made, which were assured to be reimbursed. The last salary was in the month of May. In June and July, no payments were made, and I made a decision to discontinue any further communication after that because I was fed up with requesting (literally begging) for my salary and reimbursement persistently.
As I stated above, since it was entrepreneurship, I assumed a lot of roles as a speaker, trainer, mentor, sales, marketing, operations, associate editor, etc. About eight of us were working in the core team. Definitely, I have learned loads of lessons with this experience. I think you are right to use "and" instead of "or" in your last statement.
Please give the above inputs to arrive at some solutions. I do hope you have learned your lesson with this experience—always BACKUP any informal understanding with paperwork. Frankly, I am surprised. Either you guys have been too naive, or the Directors have been too over-smart to take you for a ride.
Regards,
TS
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As I stated above, since it was entrepreneurship, I assumed a lot of roles as a speaker, trainer, mentor, sales, marketing, operations, associate editor, etc. About eight of us were working in the core team. Definitely, I have learned loads of lessons with this experience. I think you are right to use "and" instead of "or" in your last statement.
Please give the above inputs to arrive at some solutions. I do hope you have learned your lesson with this experience—always BACKUP any informal understanding with paperwork. Frankly, I am surprised. Either you guys have been too naive, or the Directors have been too over-smart to take you for a ride.
Regards,
TS
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Hello Mr. Dhingra! "Any organization can place trust in a piece of paper document, known as an experience certificate, but not in a person." I couldn't grasp the exact meaning of this sentence. Can you kindly elaborate?
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Dear Mohan,
Any organization can trust a piece of paper document, known as an experience certificate, but not necessarily trust the person behind it. I couldn't grasp the exact meaning of this sentence. Could you please elaborate?
Any organization you work for keeps records of what you submit along with your CV. You are always a stranger to any new organization for which you are applying. They cannot trust a stranger based solely on verbal statements or even written ones unless they have supporting documents from your previous organization regarding your work, conduct, attitudes, and the nature of experience you gained there. This allows them to verify the truthfulness or falsehood of your claims. Therefore, they can only place trust in a piece of paper document from your previous organization, not in you.
However, one important question arises: if you have taken on multiple roles such as speaker, trainer, mentor, sales, marketing, operations, associate editor, etc., especially within an organization of your own friends, why is the company hesitant to provide you with an experience letter?
I hope this clarifies the situation. Let me know if you need further explanation.
Best regards,
[Your Name]
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Any organization can trust a piece of paper document, known as an experience certificate, but not necessarily trust the person behind it. I couldn't grasp the exact meaning of this sentence. Could you please elaborate?
Any organization you work for keeps records of what you submit along with your CV. You are always a stranger to any new organization for which you are applying. They cannot trust a stranger based solely on verbal statements or even written ones unless they have supporting documents from your previous organization regarding your work, conduct, attitudes, and the nature of experience you gained there. This allows them to verify the truthfulness or falsehood of your claims. Therefore, they can only place trust in a piece of paper document from your previous organization, not in you.
However, one important question arises: if you have taken on multiple roles such as speaker, trainer, mentor, sales, marketing, operations, associate editor, etc., especially within an organization of your own friends, why is the company hesitant to provide you with an experience letter?
I hope this clarifies the situation. Let me know if you need further explanation.
Best regards,
[Your Name]
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Hello Mohan,
First thing is that you can use the Bank Statements for your Salary Proof... and consequently, though this could be tough, as proof of your service at this Company.
You can take a stand that it's a startup and there are no proper records.
By the way, do you have internal correspondence that could show you working here?
Coming to the skills you gathered here, I am sure you did... having seen first-hand such situations. All of them would stand you in good stead as you move forward from here.
But what I meant by 'What's your technical skill profile?' is about your core skill(s). The rest you gathered here are additional skills... for now at least. This would be important for you in your job hunt. You have to focus/project a Primary Skillset followed by other skills. You can't say I can do this, this & that... the perception you would be giving is 'lack of focus'. Hope you get the point.
When you begin your search for new jobs, I am not sure if you should give a detailed account in your interviews... since that could lead to situations that may be out of your control. But that doesn't mean you need to bluff/lie... you shouldn't. Handle it tactfully. Companies don't usually take lightly a candidate who gives negative inputs about the current employer... even though that might be true.
Regarding your statement about why the company is feeling shy of issuing you the experience letter, please note that there are dime-a-dozen companies who don't hesitate to take advantage of such situations in this country. If you go through some of the past threads in this very forum, we find companies just refusing... on one pretext or the other... to give the relieving docs... despite the employee completing the NP.
At the end of the day, even though the company is an entity that ought not to have any human frailties but go as per paper trail, it's after all 'human beings' who have to issue such docs... and that's when idiosyncrasies, egos, hangups, etc., come into the picture leading to such situations.
I have known a recent situation where one old candidate of ours... and someone with ~20 yrs exp... (now more of a friend) got a shock of his life when his technical inventions were patented by the R&D Head & the company without this guy even knowing about it. He later got to know about it from a third party & that's when he quit after an ugly spat.
Such companies & people keep popping up everywhere in this world and frankly, I don't think we can blame the companies... after all, the leopard can't and doesn't change its spots. The irony is that we get to notice the spots only when such situations come to pass... even though, I am sure, indications & alerts would have come much earlier.
At the end of the day, the individual needs to be more vigilant.
Regards,
TS
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First thing is that you can use the Bank Statements for your Salary Proof... and consequently, though this could be tough, as proof of your service at this Company.
You can take a stand that it's a startup and there are no proper records.
By the way, do you have internal correspondence that could show you working here?
Coming to the skills you gathered here, I am sure you did... having seen first-hand such situations. All of them would stand you in good stead as you move forward from here.
But what I meant by 'What's your technical skill profile?' is about your core skill(s). The rest you gathered here are additional skills... for now at least. This would be important for you in your job hunt. You have to focus/project a Primary Skillset followed by other skills. You can't say I can do this, this & that... the perception you would be giving is 'lack of focus'. Hope you get the point.
When you begin your search for new jobs, I am not sure if you should give a detailed account in your interviews... since that could lead to situations that may be out of your control. But that doesn't mean you need to bluff/lie... you shouldn't. Handle it tactfully. Companies don't usually take lightly a candidate who gives negative inputs about the current employer... even though that might be true.
Regarding your statement about why the company is feeling shy of issuing you the experience letter, please note that there are dime-a-dozen companies who don't hesitate to take advantage of such situations in this country. If you go through some of the past threads in this very forum, we find companies just refusing... on one pretext or the other... to give the relieving docs... despite the employee completing the NP.
At the end of the day, even though the company is an entity that ought not to have any human frailties but go as per paper trail, it's after all 'human beings' who have to issue such docs... and that's when idiosyncrasies, egos, hangups, etc., come into the picture leading to such situations.
I have known a recent situation where one old candidate of ours... and someone with ~20 yrs exp... (now more of a friend) got a shock of his life when his technical inventions were patented by the R&D Head & the company without this guy even knowing about it. He later got to know about it from a third party & that's when he quit after an ugly spat.
Such companies & people keep popping up everywhere in this world and frankly, I don't think we can blame the companies... after all, the leopard can't and doesn't change its spots. The irony is that we get to notice the spots only when such situations come to pass... even though, I am sure, indications & alerts would have come much earlier.
At the end of the day, the individual needs to be more vigilant.
Regards,
TS
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Hi Mr. Dhingra! Thanks for your briefing. I never submitted my CV to the company as I started working with friends. There is no official documentation proving that I am an official part of the company, assuming any role in the last 3 years. Even if I ask for an experience certificate, I might receive one stating I worked there, but it could be obtained by anyone for some money, as it cannot confirm any talent absorption at any time in the past. Therefore, I am unsure if the letter would serve any purpose. Moreover, I have not just worked as an employee there to receive an experience certificate after 3 years of struggling to build the company.
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