Dear HR Professionals,
I would request your genuine feedback here. I am a professional working with 5+ years of experience in this company.
Due to the company changing its technology software, they asked me to leave my current job. There is no performance-related, ethical, behavioral, or other issue suggested by the company. I obeyed the instructions and resigned.
After 1 month of resignation, I came to know that the company is giving increments (based on previous years' appraisals period Jan - Dec 2020) to all employees. I served the company with good results in this period.
Here is a summary:
- 20th May: I have been asked to submit my resignation. I am currently serving my 3 months' notice period in the company.
- 22nd June: The company declared increments effective from 1st May.
HR Managers are saying I am not eligible for this increment as written in the company policy: "Employees serving notice period are not eligible for increments."
However, I am requesting that I was in the organization on the day the increment is effective from (1st May). The company has delayed the declaration by 82 days, which is not my fault.
Please let me know, in your view, if I am eligible for this increment? Please also consider that the company itself asked me to submit my resignation.
From India, Pune
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3I would request your genuine feedback here. I am a professional working with 5+ years of experience in this company.
Due to the company changing its technology software, they asked me to leave my current job. There is no performance-related, ethical, behavioral, or other issue suggested by the company. I obeyed the instructions and resigned.
After 1 month of resignation, I came to know that the company is giving increments (based on previous years' appraisals period Jan - Dec 2020) to all employees. I served the company with good results in this period.
Here is a summary:
- 20th May: I have been asked to submit my resignation. I am currently serving my 3 months' notice period in the company.
- 22nd June: The company declared increments effective from 1st May.
HR Managers are saying I am not eligible for this increment as written in the company policy: "Employees serving notice period are not eligible for increments."
However, I am requesting that I was in the organization on the day the increment is effective from (1st May). The company has delayed the declaration by 82 days, which is not my fault.
Please let me know, in your view, if I am eligible for this increment? Please also consider that the company itself asked me to submit my resignation.
From India, Pune
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Dear member,
The annual salary increment is out of the purview of labor laws. Who can be eligible and who cannot are internal matters of the company. Nevertheless, the company's administration tries to achieve the "common good" by extending the benefits to as many employees as possible and ensuring cost-cutting is done.
In your case, the company declared the annual salary increments retrospectively. Now the challenge is, your notice period had not started on the date from which the increments were made effective; however, your notice period had started when the declaration was made.
Since there are two interpretations of the situation, I recommend you write an application and put forth your case to make you eligible for the annual increment. You may write in the application that the company will not have to carry a big financial burden by making you eligible. Nevertheless, if made ineligible, then you will have to settle for a lower salary base in the future job. Your financial losses will be far bigger.
If the authorities remain impervious to your application, then you may still escalate your case up to the level of the MD. If the MD also remains inclement, then nothing can be done. Accept it as your fate and make a truce with it.
My last recommendation is on your approach in case you are called for a personal discussion. Be as polite as possible, and come what may, make sure that the authority succumbs to your entreaty. The authority should feel as if he/she is a lord bestowing a great favor on you.
Thanks,
Dinesh Divekar
From India, Bangalore
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The annual salary increment is out of the purview of labor laws. Who can be eligible and who cannot are internal matters of the company. Nevertheless, the company's administration tries to achieve the "common good" by extending the benefits to as many employees as possible and ensuring cost-cutting is done.
In your case, the company declared the annual salary increments retrospectively. Now the challenge is, your notice period had not started on the date from which the increments were made effective; however, your notice period had started when the declaration was made.
Since there are two interpretations of the situation, I recommend you write an application and put forth your case to make you eligible for the annual increment. You may write in the application that the company will not have to carry a big financial burden by making you eligible. Nevertheless, if made ineligible, then you will have to settle for a lower salary base in the future job. Your financial losses will be far bigger.
If the authorities remain impervious to your application, then you may still escalate your case up to the level of the MD. If the MD also remains inclement, then nothing can be done. Accept it as your fate and make a truce with it.
My last recommendation is on your approach in case you are called for a personal discussion. Be as polite as possible, and come what may, make sure that the authority succumbs to your entreaty. The authority should feel as if he/she is a lord bestowing a great favor on you.
Thanks,
Dinesh Divekar
From India, Bangalore
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As a matter of principle, increments are granted upon the completion of satisfactory performance for the previous year. Reportedly, there are no performance issues, making you eligible for the annual increment. To stake your claim, try to understand the policy of your establishment regarding annual increments and analyze it in the context mentioned above. Additionally, please check for any precedents. Your resignation when asked to do so does not hold much relevance in this regard.
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(Fact Check Failed/Partial)-The user reply is incorrect. The eligibility for annual increments during a notice period varies by company policy. The resignation date is relevant for determining eligibility. Please review the policy and consult HR for clarification.
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Hi,
Let me add a couple of points to what Dinesh Divekar mentioned.
No increment process is completed in a few weeks—depending on the company headcount, it could take a couple of months to 3-4 months. So, my surmise is that you may have been asked to resign with the primary objective being to exclude you from the hikes process [you haven't mentioned if there were others too like you].
As far as your line "There is no performance-related, ethical, behavioral, or other issue suggested by the company" is concerned, your view of your performance won't really matter in the hikes process. It's your manager's or others above you. And it's a fairly common practice—however much we disagree with it—that there would be managers who don't discuss performance-related issues openly with their employees. And this also points out to another aspect—your manager obviously thinks otherwise about your performance.
I am not sure if Dinesh Divekar's suggestion to escalate to your MD would work in your case. It may be counter-productive if not handled well—please remember there will most likely be some sort of reference checks in your future employment. So better give this step a serious thought before implementing—at best, maybe you could informally raise it.
My suggestion is the same as Dinesh Divekar's—move on. Life is not just this company. Learn from this experience and move on.
All the best.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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Let me add a couple of points to what Dinesh Divekar mentioned.
No increment process is completed in a few weeks—depending on the company headcount, it could take a couple of months to 3-4 months. So, my surmise is that you may have been asked to resign with the primary objective being to exclude you from the hikes process [you haven't mentioned if there were others too like you].
As far as your line "There is no performance-related, ethical, behavioral, or other issue suggested by the company" is concerned, your view of your performance won't really matter in the hikes process. It's your manager's or others above you. And it's a fairly common practice—however much we disagree with it—that there would be managers who don't discuss performance-related issues openly with their employees. And this also points out to another aspect—your manager obviously thinks otherwise about your performance.
I am not sure if Dinesh Divekar's suggestion to escalate to your MD would work in your case. It may be counter-productive if not handled well—please remember there will most likely be some sort of reference checks in your future employment. So better give this step a serious thought before implementing—at best, maybe you could informally raise it.
My suggestion is the same as Dinesh Divekar's—move on. Life is not just this company. Learn from this experience and move on.
All the best.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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(Fact Check Failed/Partial)-The user's reply is incorrect. The information provided about the company's decision-making process for increments and the suggestion to move on are not accurate based on labor laws and practices. Employees serving notice period are typically excluded from such benefits.
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Dear Mr Sateesh, Nice to see you after a long while. Nice come back! Look forward to your stimulating replies. Thanks and regards, Dinesh Divekar
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(Fact Check Failed/Partial)-The user's reply does not address the query in the original post and seems to be a personal message. Please provide input related to the eligibility for the increment.
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Dear Mr. Sateesh and Dinesh,
Thank you for your input. I see that there seems to be no practical angle considered by HR, and they are just sticking to a policy that has many other clauses which are not adhered to by HR themselves. For example, it is clearly stated that the Manager should reply to the resignation email with acceptance, yet there is no acceptance email sent by them. This situation still gives me the option to revoke my resignation and ask for a raise here, but I do not want to go to that level.
So, I think I need to continue and accept it as it is.
From India, Pune
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Thank you for your input. I see that there seems to be no practical angle considered by HR, and they are just sticking to a policy that has many other clauses which are not adhered to by HR themselves. For example, it is clearly stated that the Manager should reply to the resignation email with acceptance, yet there is no acceptance email sent by them. This situation still gives me the option to revoke my resignation and ask for a raise here, but I do not want to go to that level.
So, I think I need to continue and accept it as it is.
From India, Pune
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(Fact Check Failed/Partial)-The user's reply contains inaccuracies. According to labor laws and common practices, serving notice period employees are typically not eligible for increments. The absence of an acceptance email does not automatically allow for a raise request.
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Dear Dinesh Divekar,
I reciprocate too. Frankly, I am not finding a lot of threads of late to participate with vigor. Let's hope things change. Sometimes I do miss the earlier avatar of this Forum :-)
Dear Avinash-Professional,
Technically, the option to revoke your resignation and ask for a raise here does exist. However, I am not so sure the response from the company would be in agreement with your withdrawal. I would tend to agree with your view that it may not be worth it now. Once you learn from this situation, it then becomes one of the many experiences in your life's journey. One clear learning for you is to read the subtle signals that are given out through behavior or body language – irrespective of what comes out of the lips. Move on. All the best.
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TS
From India, Hyderabad
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I reciprocate too. Frankly, I am not finding a lot of threads of late to participate with vigor. Let's hope things change. Sometimes I do miss the earlier avatar of this Forum :-)
Dear Avinash-Professional,
Technically, the option to revoke your resignation and ask for a raise here does exist. However, I am not so sure the response from the company would be in agreement with your withdrawal. I would tend to agree with your view that it may not be worth it now. Once you learn from this situation, it then becomes one of the many experiences in your life's journey. One clear learning for you is to read the subtle signals that are given out through behavior or body language – irrespective of what comes out of the lips. Move on. All the best.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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(Fact Check Failed/Partial)-The user's reply does not address the specific issue raised in the original post regarding the eligibility for an increment during the notice period. The response focuses more on general advice rather than a direct answer to the query.
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Dear Mr. Sateesh,
Yes, the vibrancy of the forum is getting diminished year after year. The decline started in 2014/2015 when the proliferation of the WhatsApp (WA) groups began. Most of the queries are on PF, ESI, Notice Period, or the sudden termination of employment. Discussions on most topics belong to the erstwhile "Personnel Management." Hardly a thread comes up for discussion on real "HR Management."
Anyway, we, the ordinary members, cannot do much!
Thanks,
Dinesh Divekar
From India, Bangalore
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Yes, the vibrancy of the forum is getting diminished year after year. The decline started in 2014/2015 when the proliferation of the WhatsApp (WA) groups began. Most of the queries are on PF, ESI, Notice Period, or the sudden termination of employment. Discussions on most topics belong to the erstwhile "Personnel Management." Hardly a thread comes up for discussion on real "HR Management."
Anyway, we, the ordinary members, cannot do much!
Thanks,
Dinesh Divekar
From India, Bangalore
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From the post, it appears that the employee was told by the employer that due to a change in technology, the employee has been asked to leave, but there are no other issues. The employee has also been asked to serve a 3-month notice period (not common, as employees are usually released immediately in this type of case, and if necessary, provided with 3 months' notice pay to make the separation less painful). At the same time, the organization is offering increments to other employees. The organization has taken a softer approach to negative communication.
Many employees may struggle to assess their own levels of intelligence, acumen, and other faculties while employed. Scoring 100 out of 100 is brilliant in an academic career, but in appraisals (performance, behavior, interpersonal skills, etc.) judged by any organization, scoring 100 out of 100 is just to maintain employment and receive a standard increment. Scoring 120 or 130 out of 100 is considered indicative of a potential candidate. This extra 20 or 30 points is something one must consider while remaining employed and interacting within the system. I have encountered such situations in my career in various MNCs, where engineers from IIT, Jadavpur, and Shibpur (currently known as IIEST) have faced similar challenges.
It is a common practice not to offer increments to employees who have submitted their resignations – nothing special in this case.
I would suggest introspecting, being proactive, and giving your best effort to find a new job. Losing a job is not the end of the world. There is always light at the end of the tunnel.
S K Bandyopadhyay (WB, Howrah)
CEO-USD HR Solutions
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Many employees may struggle to assess their own levels of intelligence, acumen, and other faculties while employed. Scoring 100 out of 100 is brilliant in an academic career, but in appraisals (performance, behavior, interpersonal skills, etc.) judged by any organization, scoring 100 out of 100 is just to maintain employment and receive a standard increment. Scoring 120 or 130 out of 100 is considered indicative of a potential candidate. This extra 20 or 30 points is something one must consider while remaining employed and interacting within the system. I have encountered such situations in my career in various MNCs, where engineers from IIT, Jadavpur, and Shibpur (currently known as IIEST) have faced similar challenges.
It is a common practice not to offer increments to employees who have submitted their resignations – nothing special in this case.
I would suggest introspecting, being proactive, and giving your best effort to find a new job. Losing a job is not the end of the world. There is always light at the end of the tunnel.
S K Bandyopadhyay (WB, Howrah)
CEO-USD HR Solutions
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(Fact Check Failed/Partial)-The user reply contains some personal reflections and general advice but does not address the specific legal aspects of the situation regarding the eligibility for the increment during the notice period. Kindly review the company policy on increments during notice periods and consider discussing this matter with HR to clarify your eligibility based on the company's policy and any relevant labor laws.
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Dear All,
Thank you for motivating me in this regard. I understand that sometimes we just have to let things go. What pains me a lot is that I invested 7 years of my life in this company.
I have found a new and better job with entrepreneurial opportunities. I am looking forward to the same.
From India, Pune
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Thank you for motivating me in this regard. I understand that sometimes we just have to let things go. What pains me a lot is that I invested 7 years of my life in this company.
I have found a new and better job with entrepreneurial opportunities. I am looking forward to the same.
From India, Pune
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(Fact Check Failed/Partial)-The user's reply does not address the original query about eligibility for increments during the notice period. It's great to hear about your new job opportunity!
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(Fact Check Failed/Partial)-The user's reply contains inaccuracies. Annual salary increments are not solely internal matters of the company; they can be subject to legal regulations. In this case, the user may be eligible for the increment based on the effective date and their employment status. It is advisable to seek clarification from HR based on these details.