Hi Senior,
Hope you all are doing well.
I am here to take your suggestion for my situation. Kindly help me to solve my problem. I have inquiry related my work. I am explaining my situation to you. Kindly go through it.
I am working as a HR in a start up BPO outsourcing company. The Company started last Nov 2013(approved registration by Govt.). I joined over there mid September 2013. When I went for interview, the directors of the company took my interview. I told them my exp & my knowledge. I have 2 years of exp as Recruiter and HR Admin. They asked me to join that company very next day. In that time they offered me as salary for the first month Rs.15000. And they assure me they will increase the salary next month itself. I joined there as HR without any letter. I got my Appointment letter after one month like last of Nov’13. They offered me Rs. 21000 PM (Net Salary) as HR Manager (for the first month Rs. 15000 PM and from 2nd month onwards Rs. 21000). When they took my Interview, They asked me whether I know Salary Calculation, Recruitment ? Then I answered them yes I have knowledge of these things and I took some professional training as well & I can manage that as basic. They had a high expectation from me, that I can manage everything. They just give me HR Manager Designation and power. But with 2years exp I was not that much eligible for that position. So I told them you can recruit me as HR Executive or HR Assistant but they gave me same designation as HR Manager and generated appointment letter. I tried to support them as per my exp & knowledge but suddenly after Oct 2013, their behaviors’ has changed and they took my appointment letter back. For first 15days of Sep 2013 they gave salary as per Rs.15000. I got my October 2013 salary on 30th nov’13. They dispatched salary on the basis of calculation on Rs. 13000 PM. And On 3rd December 2013 they informed me that for respective salary you are not up to the marks of our expectation & so, for your position we can provide you salary of Rs 13000 PM. Now it’s totally up to me whether I can work or I have to quite. After that I was totally surprised how without informing me they took this decision. I spend my 3 months over there with my full dedication & also they hold my Rs. 7000 from my November month salary. I didn’t tell anything to them. Just I asked them at least you have to mention this problem, right from the moment when you got lackness in me. Right now I am working with this company without any document. Right now their way of talking also has changed. They are trying to underestimate me in every situation.
Seniors, Kindly let me know what I should do. Shall I leave that company or shall I stay. I want to learn as I am in entry level in my career.
Note:
1. I have 2 years exp as Recruiter & HR Admin.
2. I am working without any document.
3. They hold my Rs.7000 of my salary.
4. I am attaching my resume (exp, knowledge).
Please give me some suggestion what I should do.
Thanks in advance.
Have a good day.
From India, Bangalore
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3Hope you all are doing well.
I am here to take your suggestion for my situation. Kindly help me to solve my problem. I have inquiry related my work. I am explaining my situation to you. Kindly go through it.
I am working as a HR in a start up BPO outsourcing company. The Company started last Nov 2013(approved registration by Govt.). I joined over there mid September 2013. When I went for interview, the directors of the company took my interview. I told them my exp & my knowledge. I have 2 years of exp as Recruiter and HR Admin. They asked me to join that company very next day. In that time they offered me as salary for the first month Rs.15000. And they assure me they will increase the salary next month itself. I joined there as HR without any letter. I got my Appointment letter after one month like last of Nov’13. They offered me Rs. 21000 PM (Net Salary) as HR Manager (for the first month Rs. 15000 PM and from 2nd month onwards Rs. 21000). When they took my Interview, They asked me whether I know Salary Calculation, Recruitment ? Then I answered them yes I have knowledge of these things and I took some professional training as well & I can manage that as basic. They had a high expectation from me, that I can manage everything. They just give me HR Manager Designation and power. But with 2years exp I was not that much eligible for that position. So I told them you can recruit me as HR Executive or HR Assistant but they gave me same designation as HR Manager and generated appointment letter. I tried to support them as per my exp & knowledge but suddenly after Oct 2013, their behaviors’ has changed and they took my appointment letter back. For first 15days of Sep 2013 they gave salary as per Rs.15000. I got my October 2013 salary on 30th nov’13. They dispatched salary on the basis of calculation on Rs. 13000 PM. And On 3rd December 2013 they informed me that for respective salary you are not up to the marks of our expectation & so, for your position we can provide you salary of Rs 13000 PM. Now it’s totally up to me whether I can work or I have to quite. After that I was totally surprised how without informing me they took this decision. I spend my 3 months over there with my full dedication & also they hold my Rs. 7000 from my November month salary. I didn’t tell anything to them. Just I asked them at least you have to mention this problem, right from the moment when you got lackness in me. Right now I am working with this company without any document. Right now their way of talking also has changed. They are trying to underestimate me in every situation.
Seniors, Kindly let me know what I should do. Shall I leave that company or shall I stay. I want to learn as I am in entry level in my career.
Note:
1. I have 2 years exp as Recruiter & HR Admin.
2. I am working without any document.
3. They hold my Rs.7000 of my salary.
4. I am attaching my resume (exp, knowledge).
Please give me some suggestion what I should do.
Thanks in advance.
Have a good day.
From India, Bangalore
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Greetings,
First of all, your query is not clear.
Your company started in Nov '13.
You were selected in Sep '13.
You received your appointment letter after 1 month, i.e., the end of Nov '13.
Your salary was fixed at Rs. 15000/- for Sep '13.
You received a salary hike and it was fixed at Rs. 21000/- from the second month onwards.
Now, in Nov, your salary was adjusted to Rs. 13000/- and they withheld Rs. 7000/-.
The company issued you the appointment letter and then took it back. Surprisingly, after surrendering the appointment letter, you did not take a photocopy of it. Now, you are complaining that you are working without any documents. I hope you have your salary slip.
When they were willing to promote you to the manager level, you did not develop yourself up to the mark. This seems to be a problem with you.
Even though the company is changing its stance, which is wrong, you also seem to have more problems within yourself that need to be corrected.
If you are facing any difficulties, have you explained the same to the management? If so, what was their reaction? (I hope it wasn't a salary reduction).
Have you sought assistance from Cite HR members by raising a query in your subject? Many freshers have become successful in the HR field because they sought guidance at the right time and in the right place.
Please rectify yourself and strive to improve.
From India, Kumbakonam
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First of all, your query is not clear.
Your company started in Nov '13.
You were selected in Sep '13.
You received your appointment letter after 1 month, i.e., the end of Nov '13.
Your salary was fixed at Rs. 15000/- for Sep '13.
You received a salary hike and it was fixed at Rs. 21000/- from the second month onwards.
Now, in Nov, your salary was adjusted to Rs. 13000/- and they withheld Rs. 7000/-.
The company issued you the appointment letter and then took it back. Surprisingly, after surrendering the appointment letter, you did not take a photocopy of it. Now, you are complaining that you are working without any documents. I hope you have your salary slip.
When they were willing to promote you to the manager level, you did not develop yourself up to the mark. This seems to be a problem with you.
Even though the company is changing its stance, which is wrong, you also seem to have more problems within yourself that need to be corrected.
If you are facing any difficulties, have you explained the same to the management? If so, what was their reaction? (I hope it wasn't a salary reduction).
Have you sought assistance from Cite HR members by raising a query in your subject? Many freshers have become successful in the HR field because they sought guidance at the right time and in the right place.
Please rectify yourself and strive to improve.
From India, Kumbakonam
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Hi Sir,
Yes, my company got registered in Nov 2013. I got selected in Sep 2013. I received my appointment letter after one month. My fixed salary for the first month was Rs. 15,000/-. From the 2nd month onwards, it's Rs. 21,000/-.
I asked them not to give me the manager-level position as I have 2 years of experience in this field. I also informed them that I need some guidance. I took a scanned copy of the appointment letter when they asked for it back. I have a salary slip. I am not concerned about the salary package; I want to learn. However, the problem now is that they are mistreating me. In this situation, what should I do?
They are withholding Rs. 7,000/- from my salary without any documentation. What should I do in this situation? I want to learn and improve myself, but without guidance, how is it possible? Regarding the salary slip, I sought advice from senior members on CiteHR, and they advised me on what steps to take.
Kindly provide guidance on the proper course of action, Sir. Thank you in advance.
From India, Bangalore
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Yes, my company got registered in Nov 2013. I got selected in Sep 2013. I received my appointment letter after one month. My fixed salary for the first month was Rs. 15,000/-. From the 2nd month onwards, it's Rs. 21,000/-.
I asked them not to give me the manager-level position as I have 2 years of experience in this field. I also informed them that I need some guidance. I took a scanned copy of the appointment letter when they asked for it back. I have a salary slip. I am not concerned about the salary package; I want to learn. However, the problem now is that they are mistreating me. In this situation, what should I do?
They are withholding Rs. 7,000/- from my salary without any documentation. What should I do in this situation? I want to learn and improve myself, but without guidance, how is it possible? Regarding the salary slip, I sought advice from senior members on CiteHR, and they advised me on what steps to take.
Kindly provide guidance on the proper course of action, Sir. Thank you in advance.
From India, Bangalore
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Hi,
The first disconnect I see is the quality of language in your email and the CV you have attached. If you really had done all that you claimed in your CV, you should have been able to handle the position offered to you - especially after 2 years of experience. Since you have admitted you have not been able to do so, I suspect there is selective reporting of the facts of the case by you. If you are what you claim in your CV, please do the job well and demand the salary due. If you are not in a position to fulfill the role and responsibility given to you, it would be a good idea to accept the truth and look for another job.
From India, Mumbai
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The first disconnect I see is the quality of language in your email and the CV you have attached. If you really had done all that you claimed in your CV, you should have been able to handle the position offered to you - especially after 2 years of experience. Since you have admitted you have not been able to do so, I suspect there is selective reporting of the facts of the case by you. If you are what you claim in your CV, please do the job well and demand the salary due. If you are not in a position to fulfill the role and responsibility given to you, it would be a good idea to accept the truth and look for another job.
From India, Mumbai
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Thank you, Busundhara Mam. I am not looking for salary; I just need documents. Nothing else. Till now, they have not provided proper documents. As I told them I am not able to handle all those responsibilities, I need some senior support. After this, their behavior has changed towards me. That is why I am worried. I can search for a new opportunity with my experience and knowledge. But they are paying a salary. The total salary amount of Rs. 7000 + 13000 (November month salary) is pending. If I leave the company as soon as possible, then I will lose that amount.
That is the typical situation. I don't have a problem learning; I want to improve. But they are misbehaving with me. That is the problem. I need a solution for that. Please give me suggestions on that point.
From India, Bangalore
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That is the typical situation. I don't have a problem learning; I want to improve. But they are misbehaving with me. That is the problem. I need a solution for that. Please give me suggestions on that point.
From India, Bangalore
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Subject: Request for Salary Documents and Appointment Letter
Dear [Interviewer's Name],
I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to kindly request the official documents regarding the salary discussed and agreed upon during our interview process. As per our understanding, the agreed-upon salary amount was [Specify Amount].
I kindly ask you to provide these documents from the company's official email ID to my official email ID as soon as possible. Additionally, I would appreciate it if you could also send a copy to my personal email address for my records.
Following this email, I will be sending a hard copy of this request to your attention. I kindly request the official document of appointment along with the salary details.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to receiving the necessary documents and finalizing this process.
Best regards,
[Your Name]
[Your Contact Information]
From India, Mumbai
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Dear [Interviewer's Name],
I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to kindly request the official documents regarding the salary discussed and agreed upon during our interview process. As per our understanding, the agreed-upon salary amount was [Specify Amount].
I kindly ask you to provide these documents from the company's official email ID to my official email ID as soon as possible. Additionally, I would appreciate it if you could also send a copy to my personal email address for my records.
Following this email, I will be sending a hard copy of this request to your attention. I kindly request the official document of appointment along with the salary details.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to receiving the necessary documents and finalizing this process.
Best regards,
[Your Name]
[Your Contact Information]
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Anonymous,
Your doubt is not clear, and you yourself are not clear about your requirement. You received your salary of Rs. 15,000 for September 2013, Rs. 21,000 for October 2013, and Rs. 13,000 for November 2013. You are now claiming that Rs. 7,000 was deducted incorrectly. Please explain how this amount was deducted and in which month this deduction occurred. Additionally, you are claiming for the November 2013 salary and an unexplained deduction of Rs. 7,000. Kindly provide a clear explanation to the members so that they can guide you properly.
Thank you.
From India, Kumbakonam
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Your doubt is not clear, and you yourself are not clear about your requirement. You received your salary of Rs. 15,000 for September 2013, Rs. 21,000 for October 2013, and Rs. 13,000 for November 2013. You are now claiming that Rs. 7,000 was deducted incorrectly. Please explain how this amount was deducted and in which month this deduction occurred. Additionally, you are claiming for the November 2013 salary and an unexplained deduction of Rs. 7,000. Kindly provide a clear explanation to the members so that they can guide you properly.
Thank you.
From India, Kumbakonam
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Apart from what the seniors have advised you, I would only tell you that you lack confidence where the problem has arisen. As advised by Busundara, send an email to the concerned person regarding your appointment letter and salary, which you and your management are well aware of, as we cannot understand from your query.
Last but not least, since you have accepted that you cannot work without the help of any seniors, search for a job immediately where you can work under the guidance of any seniors where you feel comfortable. The company may be in search of an HR professional who can handle HR functions independently, so be careful.
From India, Ahmadabad
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Last but not least, since you have accepted that you cannot work without the help of any seniors, search for a job immediately where you can work under the guidance of any seniors where you feel comfortable. The company may be in search of an HR professional who can handle HR functions independently, so be careful.
From India, Ahmadabad
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Dear Anonymous,
Your posts still have a lot of discrepancies.
1. You were interviewed in Sep 2013, asked to join the next day, and got your appointment letter a month later at the end of Nov 2013. I see a month missing.
2. You talk of 7000 being held back and not paid to you. Well, you were given an option of leaving immediately or working at a lower salary of Rs. 13000. You accepted the lower salary, so you are not entitled to Rs. 21000. So where is the question of them holding it back?
3. You talk of "Misbehaviour" but do not specify what that is.
4. You say they are underestimating you. Well, they realize that they were fooled into hiring you; surely, you don't think they will still be thinking you are very good at your work. Still, if they are underestimating you, prove to them that they are wrong by doing the work better than their current expectation.
5. You say you are working without documents. You have an appointment letter (scanned copy), you have pay slips. What other documentation are you expecting? A new appointment letter? I am sure it will come once they verify that you at least have that much capability to do what your new job description provides. In any case, I do not understand what the revised letter will give you that the existing (scanned) copy will not.
6. You keep saying in your posts that you do not mind the lower salary and you want to learn, but you seem to mind the salary seriously. You do not want to wait for a quarter, and then approach the matter with a history of having achievement.
I think the writing is on the wall.
You made claims in your CV and in your interview of certain capabilities that you did not have. You took up a job you were not capable of doing. I suspect you make tall claims during the interview thinking that an HR job must be very easy. Knowing it's a startup, you were quite surely aware that you would be the only person in HR and that you would not have a senior to go to or take guidance.
When you got the designation more than what you asked for, you should have taken up the matter and ensured that they understood where your abilities stand. Now in the first month itself, they found you have overstated your ability and have failed (miserably, I suspect). They should/could have terminated you on the spot (you were in probation and no notice pay would be due). Instead, they offered you an option of working at a lower salary, one that would be in line with your abilities.
You have gotten off to a bad start.
Now you have 2 choices:
- Leave immediately and get another job (write these 3 months as a mistake, and don't make the same mistake in the next job).
- Go and speak to the director who you are reporting to. Apologize to him for the mistake and your failure to live up to his expectation. Tell him you would like to work here keeping a long term in view and that you will work hard to reach the expectation. Ask him for a bit of patience for 2-3 months. Further, if there is an actual problem with language and behavior, you can ask him to put a stop to it, explaining it is undermining your role and work.
If you do not get a positive response to the above, then you have already reached a stage of no repair and should look for another job anyway.
From India, Mumbai
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Your posts still have a lot of discrepancies.
1. You were interviewed in Sep 2013, asked to join the next day, and got your appointment letter a month later at the end of Nov 2013. I see a month missing.
2. You talk of 7000 being held back and not paid to you. Well, you were given an option of leaving immediately or working at a lower salary of Rs. 13000. You accepted the lower salary, so you are not entitled to Rs. 21000. So where is the question of them holding it back?
3. You talk of "Misbehaviour" but do not specify what that is.
4. You say they are underestimating you. Well, they realize that they were fooled into hiring you; surely, you don't think they will still be thinking you are very good at your work. Still, if they are underestimating you, prove to them that they are wrong by doing the work better than their current expectation.
5. You say you are working without documents. You have an appointment letter (scanned copy), you have pay slips. What other documentation are you expecting? A new appointment letter? I am sure it will come once they verify that you at least have that much capability to do what your new job description provides. In any case, I do not understand what the revised letter will give you that the existing (scanned) copy will not.
6. You keep saying in your posts that you do not mind the lower salary and you want to learn, but you seem to mind the salary seriously. You do not want to wait for a quarter, and then approach the matter with a history of having achievement.
I think the writing is on the wall.
You made claims in your CV and in your interview of certain capabilities that you did not have. You took up a job you were not capable of doing. I suspect you make tall claims during the interview thinking that an HR job must be very easy. Knowing it's a startup, you were quite surely aware that you would be the only person in HR and that you would not have a senior to go to or take guidance.
When you got the designation more than what you asked for, you should have taken up the matter and ensured that they understood where your abilities stand. Now in the first month itself, they found you have overstated your ability and have failed (miserably, I suspect). They should/could have terminated you on the spot (you were in probation and no notice pay would be due). Instead, they offered you an option of working at a lower salary, one that would be in line with your abilities.
You have gotten off to a bad start.
Now you have 2 choices:
- Leave immediately and get another job (write these 3 months as a mistake, and don't make the same mistake in the next job).
- Go and speak to the director who you are reporting to. Apologize to him for the mistake and your failure to live up to his expectation. Tell him you would like to work here keeping a long term in view and that you will work hard to reach the expectation. Ask him for a bit of patience for 2-3 months. Further, if there is an actual problem with language and behavior, you can ask him to put a stop to it, explaining it is undermining your role and work.
If you do not get a positive response to the above, then you have already reached a stage of no repair and should look for another job anyway.
From India, Mumbai
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Hi,
I think you have not mentioned all the things that happened with you. Some points are still not cleared. First of all, I don't understand if the company has given you the position of HR Manager, then why did you say you are not able to take responsibilities. You should have taken the opportunities for the post and worked hard instead of showing your weakness that you cannot do so.
Secondly, if you were truthful in your interview with your employer that you would not be able for the subject post, then why are they giving you that post? Why have they forced you to join that HR manager post if you are not able to handle it?
Thirdly, how is it possible that once the organization has given you the appointment letter and then taken it back? I have never seen a scenario where once the appointment letter is signed by you and given to you or any other staff, it can be taken back.
I think you should clear all the hidden things with your organization. For you, I would suggest that you kindly look for another job if they are underestimating you and so on.
Regards,
Supriya
From India, Mumbai
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I think you have not mentioned all the things that happened with you. Some points are still not cleared. First of all, I don't understand if the company has given you the position of HR Manager, then why did you say you are not able to take responsibilities. You should have taken the opportunities for the post and worked hard instead of showing your weakness that you cannot do so.
Secondly, if you were truthful in your interview with your employer that you would not be able for the subject post, then why are they giving you that post? Why have they forced you to join that HR manager post if you are not able to handle it?
Thirdly, how is it possible that once the organization has given you the appointment letter and then taken it back? I have never seen a scenario where once the appointment letter is signed by you and given to you or any other staff, it can be taken back.
I think you should clear all the hidden things with your organization. For you, I would suggest that you kindly look for another job if they are underestimating you and so on.
Regards,
Supriya
From India, Mumbai
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