Dear All,
We both (husband & Wife) are working for a three star property since 6 months. At the time of joining we were promised to reimburse the notice period and the transportation charges over the phone by the mgt consultant of the company. It costed around 55000/-. But after joining the firm the consultant informed Management that he never promised anything. We told the truth to the mgt but mgt is not ready to pay the amount.
Now we are leaving the firm and we want our money back. We asked mgt to repay the amount from the consultants salary. But the mgt is not ready to help us and pay the money.
As the consultant is in our relation, we trusted him never asked to give all the conditions in writing.
Could anybody suggest to us that what needs to be done in this scenario to recover the amount from the management?
From India, Aurangabad
9We both (husband & Wife) are working for a three star property since 6 months. At the time of joining we were promised to reimburse the notice period and the transportation charges over the phone by the mgt consultant of the company. It costed around 55000/-. But after joining the firm the consultant informed Management that he never promised anything. We told the truth to the mgt but mgt is not ready to pay the amount.
Now we are leaving the firm and we want our money back. We asked mgt to repay the amount from the consultants salary. But the mgt is not ready to help us and pay the money.
As the consultant is in our relation, we trusted him never asked to give all the conditions in writing.
Could anybody suggest to us that what needs to be done in this scenario to recover the amount from the management?
From India, Aurangabad
Hello,
Sorry to hear about this.
It is one of the experiences that one would like to avoid in all life!
I am afraid you cannot do anything to recover this amount. It is easy for me to say this but your mail is silent on:
If the consultant is in relation, it was in order for you trust him but evidently he has had no value for this relation.
I suggest you put the sad and unfortunate episode behind you, accept a set back and proceed with your future with greater care!
Is ther any other way, one may be able to help?
Cheers and Regards
samvedan
May 02, 2010
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From India, Pune
Sorry to hear about this.
It is one of the experiences that one would like to avoid in all life!
I am afraid you cannot do anything to recover this amount. It is easy for me to say this but your mail is silent on:
- Whether there is anything between you and/or the company or the consultant about reimbursement of this sum!
- Whether you have been given any receipt for this amount by the consultant.
If the consultant is in relation, it was in order for you trust him but evidently he has had no value for this relation.
I suggest you put the sad and unfortunate episode behind you, accept a set back and proceed with your future with greater care!
Is ther any other way, one may be able to help?
Cheers and Regards
samvedan
May 02, 2010
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From India, Pune
Dear Swapnaja,
You are in a real pathetic situation. Samvedan has clarified everything in his comments hence I would not like to repeat it.
However, you have not clarified one thing - who told you that notice period charges and transportation charges would be reimbursed - Consultant or the hotel management? Secondly, how can consultant commit something on behalf of management of hotel?
Secondly, why are you leaving that hotel now after six months?
I am also ex-HR of hospitality (now I am on my own). Generally hotel management settles all the accounts sooner employee joins or even before the employee joins? Why did you quit the previous employment unless new employer paid the charges? This is what happens in most of the hotels.
Any way it is a learning lesson. Not all the people are not bad in this world. This was one odd case wherein you had been victim of lack of clarity. Perhaps in future you may come across with astonishing example of how someone stands for his/her values and you get benefit of it.
At the same time let me caution you not to become twice shy out of this bite and start looking suspiciously all other relations as well.
Ok...
Dinesh V Divekar
From India, Bangalore
You are in a real pathetic situation. Samvedan has clarified everything in his comments hence I would not like to repeat it.
However, you have not clarified one thing - who told you that notice period charges and transportation charges would be reimbursed - Consultant or the hotel management? Secondly, how can consultant commit something on behalf of management of hotel?
Secondly, why are you leaving that hotel now after six months?
I am also ex-HR of hospitality (now I am on my own). Generally hotel management settles all the accounts sooner employee joins or even before the employee joins? Why did you quit the previous employment unless new employer paid the charges? This is what happens in most of the hotels.
Any way it is a learning lesson. Not all the people are not bad in this world. This was one odd case wherein you had been victim of lack of clarity. Perhaps in future you may come across with astonishing example of how someone stands for his/her values and you get benefit of it.
At the same time let me caution you not to become twice shy out of this bite and start looking suspiciously all other relations as well.
Ok...
Dinesh V Divekar
From India, Bangalore
Dear Swapnaja,
I would agree with both of them Samvedan & Dinesh,there is needless to blame on such Management or Consultants,It was your responsibilty to confirmed with the Management all yoh relevant gear's,You would have to raise the issue's infront of the Management before resigned.. You're the responsible of spoiling yoh name infront of thousands...Such kind of freaking stupids have spoiled the name of the management ..
How would yoh stability maintained if ya quit in six months,This is not calls consistency..Before giving the offer later you management has some plans by taking you to provide such kind of responsiblities..Management doesn't have any dreams like yoh gonna quit the job...Try to perform long race further...Growth is avidly awaiting of ya..
I would advise yoh to start new job with the blessings of this community.....Sure God will help ya..
From India, Hyderabad
I would agree with both of them Samvedan & Dinesh,there is needless to blame on such Management or Consultants,It was your responsibilty to confirmed with the Management all yoh relevant gear's,You would have to raise the issue's infront of the Management before resigned.. You're the responsible of spoiling yoh name infront of thousands...Such kind of freaking stupids have spoiled the name of the management ..
How would yoh stability maintained if ya quit in six months,This is not calls consistency..Before giving the offer later you management has some plans by taking you to provide such kind of responsiblities..Management doesn't have any dreams like yoh gonna quit the job...Try to perform long race further...Growth is avidly awaiting of ya..
I would advise yoh to start new job with the blessings of this community.....Sure God will help ya..
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Sir,
I am really feeling very bad after knowing that i wont be able to get back my money.
Sir, I dont know how and why, but the consultant promised us on behalf of the management to reimberse the notice period and the relocation charges. Thats what he told us over the phone. And now i will say we were fool to trust him.
I enquired a lot on how to trace that call. But not getting anything.
We are leaving this property because the management is not paying salaries regularly. we have to beg for our hard earned money. And moreover I took a loan from the bank to pay the notice period and the relocation charges. Now its almost impossible for me to run my house without money. I hope everyone can understand this well.
If I dont get money how am i going to servive then?
All the HODs have now decided to leave the job that too without any notice. We are the only one who are serving notice period and not cheating them even after happening this.
I believe everyone works for money. And if employees dont get salaries for their services rendered, why would they stay then with the company?
Apart from this there are lot of other issues that is impossible to write here. I dont think I will trust anybody in my life.........
I am really thankful to all of you for replying to my query.
Regards,
Swapnaja
From India, Aurangabad
I am really feeling very bad after knowing that i wont be able to get back my money.
Sir, I dont know how and why, but the consultant promised us on behalf of the management to reimberse the notice period and the relocation charges. Thats what he told us over the phone. And now i will say we were fool to trust him.
I enquired a lot on how to trace that call. But not getting anything.
We are leaving this property because the management is not paying salaries regularly. we have to beg for our hard earned money. And moreover I took a loan from the bank to pay the notice period and the relocation charges. Now its almost impossible for me to run my house without money. I hope everyone can understand this well.
If I dont get money how am i going to servive then?
All the HODs have now decided to leave the job that too without any notice. We are the only one who are serving notice period and not cheating them even after happening this.
I believe everyone works for money. And if employees dont get salaries for their services rendered, why would they stay then with the company?
Apart from this there are lot of other issues that is impossible to write here. I dont think I will trust anybody in my life.........
I am really thankful to all of you for replying to my query.
Regards,
Swapnaja
From India, Aurangabad
Dear Swapnaja,
This is an era where we can trust a piece of paper but not a person. Further we can rely much more on an unknown person rather than a relative. Unless, you have any written evidence of promise by the consultant there cannot lie any claim on the management or the consultant. So, anybody assuring you to recover the amount would just be making false promise. It is at the sole discretion and mercy of the management, if it can fulfill the commitment fully or in part.
Further, I don't think a consultant enjoys any delegated power to honor his commitment. A consultant is just a consultant to the management and not a regular employee or part of the management.
Now, it is better to take a lesson for the future that before joining any organization, must get the terms cleared and confirmed in writing, as a part of employment agreement.
PS Dhingra
Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant
Dhingra Group of management & Educational Consultants
New Delhi
From India, Delhi
This is an era where we can trust a piece of paper but not a person. Further we can rely much more on an unknown person rather than a relative. Unless, you have any written evidence of promise by the consultant there cannot lie any claim on the management or the consultant. So, anybody assuring you to recover the amount would just be making false promise. It is at the sole discretion and mercy of the management, if it can fulfill the commitment fully or in part.
Further, I don't think a consultant enjoys any delegated power to honor his commitment. A consultant is just a consultant to the management and not a regular employee or part of the management.
Now, it is better to take a lesson for the future that before joining any organization, must get the terms cleared and confirmed in writing, as a part of employment agreement.
PS Dhingra
Vigilance & Transformation Management Consultant
Dhingra Group of management & Educational Consultants
New Delhi
From India, Delhi
Please do not put it across ina harsh manner. We have to trust people and this couple just did that, little knowing that their trust would be so easily betrayed.
This is an expensive learning experience and I am sure our friends would have emerged wiser.
Yes, all terms and conditions are best documented for future reference. But even this does not offer you foolproof cover. If the intentions of the empoyer are not clean, well then there is not much one can do about it. Litigation is hardly a remedy one can opt for.
Sharing such real life experiences are good eye openers for a lot of people.
Vasant Nair
From India, Mumbai
This is an expensive learning experience and I am sure our friends would have emerged wiser.
Yes, all terms and conditions are best documented for future reference. But even this does not offer you foolproof cover. If the intentions of the empoyer are not clean, well then there is not much one can do about it. Litigation is hardly a remedy one can opt for.
Sharing such real life experiences are good eye openers for a lot of people.
Vasant Nair
From India, Mumbai
Hi Swapnaja,
I am sorry to say this.
Mistake is entirely on your side.U might have cross checked with the employer while joining itself.Eventhough the reimbursement policy is there with the company no company will reimburse after 6 months .Time frame might have got over.It is unfair point the employer and consultant at this point of time.No one can help you.Leave this behind you.
Regards,
Mathi
From India
I am sorry to say this.
Mistake is entirely on your side.U might have cross checked with the employer while joining itself.Eventhough the reimbursement policy is there with the company no company will reimburse after 6 months .Time frame might have got over.It is unfair point the employer and consultant at this point of time.No one can help you.Leave this behind you.
Regards,
Mathi
From India
Dear Mathi,
It is not the question what Swapnaja should have done, That is now a past thing. Now the question arises, what remedy members can suggest to her for her problem.
The members may therefore better propose a solution, if any one really have, rather than questioning the trust she posed on the consultant and got betrayed. So, if they don't have any solution they may better not try to make her feel that she made a mistake to ask for the advice of our members community. She needs soothing solution by members, not any more irritation.
PS Dhingra
From India, Delhi
It is not the question what Swapnaja should have done, That is now a past thing. Now the question arises, what remedy members can suggest to her for her problem.
The members may therefore better propose a solution, if any one really have, rather than questioning the trust she posed on the consultant and got betrayed. So, if they don't have any solution they may better not try to make her feel that she made a mistake to ask for the advice of our members community. She needs soothing solution by members, not any more irritation.
PS Dhingra
From India, Delhi
Dear Dhingra,
Nothing can be done in this regard thats the reason Y we r all blaming Swapnaja .The onlysoothing solution will be you paying the money from ur pocket.U seems to brilliant enough to earn that money in few hours.
Hope u will be good enough to give a soothing solution if not money.MARK MY WORD AGAIN NOTHING CAN BE DONE.
Regards,
Mathi
From India
Nothing can be done in this regard thats the reason Y we r all blaming Swapnaja .The onlysoothing solution will be you paying the money from ur pocket.U seems to brilliant enough to earn that money in few hours.
Hope u will be good enough to give a soothing solution if not money.MARK MY WORD AGAIN NOTHING CAN BE DONE.
Regards,
Mathi
From India
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