Greetings to you all !
This is Arun would like to know how easy it is for any IT industry HR guy to move into Manufacturing Industry HR.
How acceptable Are IT Industry HR guys in Manufacturing ( ref to Job) , I know there is big difference in the way an worker is handled in Manufacturing and IT or BPO Professional is Handled.
The reason I am asking this question is that I have got 3.8 years exp in IT Industry as HR but thinking to move to Manufacturing industry.
Can any one guide me as to how to make the move to Manufacturing Industry HR.
Thanks & Regards,
Arun
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From Singapore
This is Arun would like to know how easy it is for any IT industry HR guy to move into Manufacturing Industry HR.
How acceptable Are IT Industry HR guys in Manufacturing ( ref to Job) , I know there is big difference in the way an worker is handled in Manufacturing and IT or BPO Professional is Handled.
The reason I am asking this question is that I have got 3.8 years exp in IT Industry as HR but thinking to move to Manufacturing industry.
Can any one guide me as to how to make the move to Manufacturing Industry HR.
Thanks & Regards,
Arun
Email: [IMG]https://www.citehr.com/misc.php?do=email_dev&email=YXJ1bi5maWphcmRvQGdtYW lsLmNvbQ==[/IMG]
From Singapore
HI Arun,
It is very difficult as well as challenging to work in Mfg. Organiastion.
Mfg. co. Strickly follow the govt laws & co rules - regulations & policy in old methods. Their working style is absolulty different from It & BPO co. IT & BPO or any new co now a days belives in Papers less office, talk thorugh email, send requistion & confirmation through email.
But atleast Mfg. co not, For everything their paper work is must & signed & stamped by Sr. or authority person...
I have seen working style of CTR manufactring Industries Ltd., Pune. (A typical mfg. unit for raditors)
Regards,
Jayshree Vasavada
HR Admin Head - Dadar
HDFC SLIC
From India, Mumbai
68It is very difficult as well as challenging to work in Mfg. Organiastion.
Mfg. co. Strickly follow the govt laws & co rules - regulations & policy in old methods. Their working style is absolulty different from It & BPO co. IT & BPO or any new co now a days belives in Papers less office, talk thorugh email, send requistion & confirmation through email.
But atleast Mfg. co not, For everything their paper work is must & signed & stamped by Sr. or authority person...
I have seen working style of CTR manufactring Industries Ltd., Pune. (A typical mfg. unit for raditors)
Regards,
Jayshree Vasavada
HR Admin Head - Dadar
HDFC SLIC
From India, Mumbai
Hello Jayshree,
Thanks for your reply...
Ya I do Understand they believe lot in paper work, But recently lot MNC MFG companies are moving towards ERP Packages like SAP / Oracle / People Soft pacakges and hence belive cutting down cost.
With ERP Self service a manager can approve their leaves give them promotions online without sign on a piece of paper and hence they can do away with paper work.
I have noticed traditional MFG company (HR) they are reluctant to go for ERP packages even if they implement they dont follow they go back to Paper work.
I really dont understand why they feel HR guys from IT OR BPO are not fit for MFG companies is there a mind block for IT / BPO HR profesionals.
As an HR i feel even a IT or BPO HR guy can handle an Worker or can Strickly follow the govt laws & co rules.
What is your say on this...
Regards,
Arun F
From Singapore
Thanks for your reply...
Ya I do Understand they believe lot in paper work, But recently lot MNC MFG companies are moving towards ERP Packages like SAP / Oracle / People Soft pacakges and hence belive cutting down cost.
With ERP Self service a manager can approve their leaves give them promotions online without sign on a piece of paper and hence they can do away with paper work.
I have noticed traditional MFG company (HR) they are reluctant to go for ERP packages even if they implement they dont follow they go back to Paper work.
I really dont understand why they feel HR guys from IT OR BPO are not fit for MFG companies is there a mind block for IT / BPO HR profesionals.
As an HR i feel even a IT or BPO HR guy can handle an Worker or can Strickly follow the govt laws & co rules.
What is your say on this...
Regards,
Arun F
From Singapore
Hello,
Thanks, Jayashree atleast replied.
I have spent a lifetime in Manufacturing industry and can speak fairly knowledgeably about the climate there. Just note the following points:
1. In mfg. industry, customer is remote to where work happens. (This means, sensitivities donot have to be sharp and you have time, often, to resolve disputes using time resource to your advantage.)
2. The nature of employment (blue collared, limited education, collective identity, borrowed intelligence-always in need of an "emancipator") is what you may be dealing with in mfg. industry.
3. High education levels, critical interface with clients andtherefore higher and sharp sensitivities in IT, ITES, or other service industries.
4.Money is used as the main motivator and controller of individual and collective behavior. (In fact this major tool used so successful is itself now useless, virtually, in retaining competent people.)
5. More show of strength, use of power, bargaining, deployment of negative capabilities are evident in manufacturing industry.
6. Legal compliance and nuisance of enforcement agencies is a common denominator to all kinds of industries as IT and the like have NO special exemption/s except if operating in special export promotion zones.
What I have said above is NOT all. You will discover every day new forms of collective and individual behavioural patterns-sometimes dicy, sometimes purely ower oriented and belligerent and tackle your way in creating a kind of symbiosis of energies for the larger good of the organization is an everyday challenge.
Think twice and more. Interact with more people from manufacturing inductry before taking the plunge as in this sector there is more Industrial Relations than fashionable HR. MOre disputes management that mere coordination of positive energies.
If you like to ask more questions ask. I will be happy to answer.
One thing I will promise. The thrill and challenge of dealing with human resource in a transactional, representative and institutionalized frame is enormously satisfying! I have had no regrets. I am more than elated having been in manufacturing industry!
Regards
samvedan
July 4, 2008
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From India, Pune
Thanks, Jayashree atleast replied.
I have spent a lifetime in Manufacturing industry and can speak fairly knowledgeably about the climate there. Just note the following points:
1. In mfg. industry, customer is remote to where work happens. (This means, sensitivities donot have to be sharp and you have time, often, to resolve disputes using time resource to your advantage.)
2. The nature of employment (blue collared, limited education, collective identity, borrowed intelligence-always in need of an "emancipator") is what you may be dealing with in mfg. industry.
3. High education levels, critical interface with clients andtherefore higher and sharp sensitivities in IT, ITES, or other service industries.
4.Money is used as the main motivator and controller of individual and collective behavior. (In fact this major tool used so successful is itself now useless, virtually, in retaining competent people.)
5. More show of strength, use of power, bargaining, deployment of negative capabilities are evident in manufacturing industry.
6. Legal compliance and nuisance of enforcement agencies is a common denominator to all kinds of industries as IT and the like have NO special exemption/s except if operating in special export promotion zones.
What I have said above is NOT all. You will discover every day new forms of collective and individual behavioural patterns-sometimes dicy, sometimes purely ower oriented and belligerent and tackle your way in creating a kind of symbiosis of energies for the larger good of the organization is an everyday challenge.
Think twice and more. Interact with more people from manufacturing inductry before taking the plunge as in this sector there is more Industrial Relations than fashionable HR. MOre disputes management that mere coordination of positive energies.
If you like to ask more questions ask. I will be happy to answer.
One thing I will promise. The thrill and challenge of dealing with human resource in a transactional, representative and institutionalized frame is enormously satisfying! I have had no regrets. I am more than elated having been in manufacturing industry!
Regards
samvedan
July 4, 2008
---------------------------
From India, Pune
Hi Samdevan,
Chill.... it's ok..... I really like to Work in Mfg. Indt. I just mean it is quite difficult becasue you are sourrounded with Profesionals so as you said u have to be sharp, should know rules very clearly.... I t is challengeto work in mfg, industry & lots of learning exp. too...
regards,
From India, Mumbai
Chill.... it's ok..... I really like to Work in Mfg. Indt. I just mean it is quite difficult becasue you are sourrounded with Profesionals so as you said u have to be sharp, should know rules very clearly.... I t is challengeto work in mfg, industry & lots of learning exp. too...
regards,
From India, Mumbai
Thanks Samdevan & Jayshree for your valueable time to answer my Questions.
I have still not got my answer , let me ask direct question to people (Samdevan & Jayshree) who have actually worked with MFG industry for years now.
Samdevan & Jayshree , by now you'll must have met lot of HR IT guys , I Would like to know your perception about HR IT guys are they fit for Manufacturing Industry ( Keeping in Mind the person can grasp Labour laws).
I hope i am not irritating you'll by asking so many questions, Actually i really want to know your direct views on us.
Thanks,
Arun F
From Singapore
I have still not got my answer , let me ask direct question to people (Samdevan & Jayshree) who have actually worked with MFG industry for years now.
Samdevan & Jayshree , by now you'll must have met lot of HR IT guys , I Would like to know your perception about HR IT guys are they fit for Manufacturing Industry ( Keeping in Mind the person can grasp Labour laws).
I hope i am not irritating you'll by asking so many questions, Actually i really want to know your direct views on us.
Thanks,
Arun F
From Singapore
Don't think too much. Go with positive mind if you determine to go. Nothing is impossible to achieve. You have to understand the culture of each organisation and nature of industry. Your induction programme, Senior colleagues will come to your help. Any job if you love you will succeed.
Good Luck.
Ram K Navaratna
HR Resonance
From India, Bangalore
Good Luck.
Ram K Navaratna
HR Resonance
From India, Bangalore
Hello,
You are not irritating at all.
First IT-HR guys and girls! I found them to be good communicators-polished, persuasive and tactful but for lack of orientation in handling conflict prone relationships they often stick to white collered occupations. Operating in a non-threatening atmosphere, your creativity can and does indeed blossom. But too much of this is very cosy and one becomes reluctant to ask for tougher assignments. In fact, I wonder what is prompting you to consider Manufacturing Sector? I would like to understand your motivations in this regard.
It is certainly not an impossible task to adapt and develop competencies required in manufacturing sector but it is not as easy as some may make you believe. Learning things that you have not learnt at the school, attitudinal adjustments necessitated by the job and culture. Peers and seniors will help you certainly but you should not depend upon that. You must keep on learning and become professionaly autonomous for the level at which you operate for the time being. After all no one is flawless. Some have knowledge but lack skills, some have knowledge and skills but loose out because of attitudes. For any competent performance, one needs knowledge, skils and attitudes and the final determinent of performance is the skill to do and the will to do. And that holds for your sector too.
Proactive attitudes, continuous learning, willingness to risk, taking a position, flexibility to change and commitment to dealing rather than "fixing" will see you through successfully. You find fixers everywhere but you don't often come across resolvers of issues without taking recourse to "fixing". If you want to be different, you should be value oriented. Competent people do not approve fixing!
Labour law and related matters can be learnt. If you have started late you will have to give so much time anyway. Collective Bargaining is a mind game. We all have an inherent skill that may need to be refined. Incidentally, I am not a trained lawyer anyway but the corporates trust my opinion on labour law also, apart of many other matters. (This specifically refers to understanding human beings and human behaviour-both individual and collective)
I suppose this post will give you adequate answers. There are not final opr permanent answers in any case.
Respond with more questions, if you like!
Regards
samvedan
July 4, 2008
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From India, Pune
You are not irritating at all.
First IT-HR guys and girls! I found them to be good communicators-polished, persuasive and tactful but for lack of orientation in handling conflict prone relationships they often stick to white collered occupations. Operating in a non-threatening atmosphere, your creativity can and does indeed blossom. But too much of this is very cosy and one becomes reluctant to ask for tougher assignments. In fact, I wonder what is prompting you to consider Manufacturing Sector? I would like to understand your motivations in this regard.
It is certainly not an impossible task to adapt and develop competencies required in manufacturing sector but it is not as easy as some may make you believe. Learning things that you have not learnt at the school, attitudinal adjustments necessitated by the job and culture. Peers and seniors will help you certainly but you should not depend upon that. You must keep on learning and become professionaly autonomous for the level at which you operate for the time being. After all no one is flawless. Some have knowledge but lack skills, some have knowledge and skills but loose out because of attitudes. For any competent performance, one needs knowledge, skils and attitudes and the final determinent of performance is the skill to do and the will to do. And that holds for your sector too.
Proactive attitudes, continuous learning, willingness to risk, taking a position, flexibility to change and commitment to dealing rather than "fixing" will see you through successfully. You find fixers everywhere but you don't often come across resolvers of issues without taking recourse to "fixing". If you want to be different, you should be value oriented. Competent people do not approve fixing!
Labour law and related matters can be learnt. If you have started late you will have to give so much time anyway. Collective Bargaining is a mind game. We all have an inherent skill that may need to be refined. Incidentally, I am not a trained lawyer anyway but the corporates trust my opinion on labour law also, apart of many other matters. (This specifically refers to understanding human beings and human behaviour-both individual and collective)
I suppose this post will give you adequate answers. There are not final opr permanent answers in any case.
Respond with more questions, if you like!
Regards
samvedan
July 4, 2008
-------------------------------------------
From India, Pune
Samvedan,
Thanks a toon for clearing all my doubts, The reason I am trying to move to manufacturing is , I have been in IT/BPO Sector for nearly 4 years now, I did not enjoy working in this particular sector , all ways wanted to be in Manufacturing but never got an oppourtunity.
No doubt there is money in this sector but there is no job satisfaction , there is to much of HR Techo stuff (i.e. softwares to track employee problem and hence less human touch) ... U r unable to show u creativity for your employees.
And also less descion making cause HR plays a very limited role in IT, Cause half of the HR reponsibility of greviance handling is passed out to their ( Employee ) managers.
We just act as Middle man passing the communication from employee manager to top level management.
Where as in Manufacturing you get direct contact with workers or labourers understand them and solve their queries.
In my last company MNC we had around 9000 employees and the greviance handling was done remotely , for all this employees i.e we had ticket or telephone system to solve the employees problem and there was to much frustration from the side of employees.
And HR generalist KRA was to handle all other communication accept Employee Greviances , which is important part of HR dept. Employee Greviance was done through Tickets or Phone by some other team.
In IT HR role is limited, I feel we do a job which any graduate can do,Which is not in the case of manufacturing HR is always on their toes.
Any ways I thank Samvedan / Jayshree & Ram K Navaratna for clearing all my doubts on Manufacturing Industry.
Samvedan - thanks a lot for removing your precious time and guiding me for a person you dont even know.
Citehr - Thank you too for such lovely forum , where we Hr guys can discuss about our careers.
Thanks,
Arun F
From Singapore
Thanks a toon for clearing all my doubts, The reason I am trying to move to manufacturing is , I have been in IT/BPO Sector for nearly 4 years now, I did not enjoy working in this particular sector , all ways wanted to be in Manufacturing but never got an oppourtunity.
No doubt there is money in this sector but there is no job satisfaction , there is to much of HR Techo stuff (i.e. softwares to track employee problem and hence less human touch) ... U r unable to show u creativity for your employees.
And also less descion making cause HR plays a very limited role in IT, Cause half of the HR reponsibility of greviance handling is passed out to their ( Employee ) managers.
We just act as Middle man passing the communication from employee manager to top level management.
Where as in Manufacturing you get direct contact with workers or labourers understand them and solve their queries.
In my last company MNC we had around 9000 employees and the greviance handling was done remotely , for all this employees i.e we had ticket or telephone system to solve the employees problem and there was to much frustration from the side of employees.
And HR generalist KRA was to handle all other communication accept Employee Greviances , which is important part of HR dept. Employee Greviance was done through Tickets or Phone by some other team.
In IT HR role is limited, I feel we do a job which any graduate can do,Which is not in the case of manufacturing HR is always on their toes.
Any ways I thank Samvedan / Jayshree & Ram K Navaratna for clearing all my doubts on Manufacturing Industry.
Samvedan - thanks a lot for removing your precious time and guiding me for a person you dont even know.
Citehr - Thank you too for such lovely forum , where we Hr guys can discuss about our careers.
Thanks,
Arun F
From Singapore
Dear Arun,
Always have a BIG picture in mind.
Need your kind answer to my straight question!
Are you working in HR Support/Back end related stuff?
If you have an yes...please read below.
In IT, The role of HR is very critical and challenging and Interesting too.
I will touch upon a few areas of interest and will discuss further.
1. Recruitment-Campus and Lateral Hiring
2. Training and Development
3. Workforce/Manpower Management
4. Performance Management
5. Associate Care/Employee Grievances
6. Compensation
7. Talent Management
8. Employee Engagement
9. Legal Related
10.Market Research Group
11.HR Outsourcing-RPO (Recruitment Process Outsourcing) and many....
Development
Process
Out of the above mentioned categories the one you discussed about your role can be related here to point number 5. This is a small part of the HR in IT.
At every level given above, HR personnel have to thing and take decisions.
They are not just communication vehicles. If you are working in a small company, you always look for a company that has global presence where you can use get a chance to look at the bigger picture.
Labor Laws,You can buy a book and get to know everything in a month. (I am not kidding, it is possible). But the only thing that differentiates you from others;the relationship building you maintain with your both internal and external stakeholders.
Thanks for giving me this opportunity to express my thoughts.
In case you need any clarity, please write to me, [IMG]https://www.citehr.com/misc.php?do=email_dev&email=YXNob2sua29sbGFAeWFob2 8uY29t[/IMG]
Thanks,
Ashok Kolla
www. ashokkolla.com
Always have a BIG picture in mind.
Need your kind answer to my straight question!
Are you working in HR Support/Back end related stuff?
If you have an yes...please read below.
In IT, The role of HR is very critical and challenging and Interesting too.
I will touch upon a few areas of interest and will discuss further.
1. Recruitment-Campus and Lateral Hiring
2. Training and Development
3. Workforce/Manpower Management
4. Performance Management
5. Associate Care/Employee Grievances
6. Compensation
7. Talent Management
8. Employee Engagement
9. Legal Related
10.Market Research Group
11.HR Outsourcing-RPO (Recruitment Process Outsourcing) and many....
Development
Process
Out of the above mentioned categories the one you discussed about your role can be related here to point number 5. This is a small part of the HR in IT.
At every level given above, HR personnel have to thing and take decisions.
They are not just communication vehicles. If you are working in a small company, you always look for a company that has global presence where you can use get a chance to look at the bigger picture.
Labor Laws,You can buy a book and get to know everything in a month. (I am not kidding, it is possible). But the only thing that differentiates you from others;the relationship building you maintain with your both internal and external stakeholders.
Thanks for giving me this opportunity to express my thoughts.
In case you need any clarity, please write to me, [IMG]https://www.citehr.com/misc.php?do=email_dev&email=YXNob2sua29sbGFAeWFob2 8uY29t[/IMG]
Thanks,
Ashok Kolla
www. ashokkolla.com
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