Hi
We had received an employee verification, but the person never worked with us; so I replied accordingly.
Now the recruiting company is putting legal action against him.
I got a call from him, he said he has done it to get the job and was short of some experience. I don't know this person but he reminded me about our struggle to get the first job.
Can I help him any way?
From India , New Delhi
We had received an employee verification, but the person never worked with us; so I replied accordingly.
Now the recruiting company is putting legal action against him.
I got a call from him, he said he has done it to get the job and was short of some experience. I don't know this person but he reminded me about our struggle to get the first job.
Can I help him any way?
From India , New Delhi
Dear T2india,
Your decision to intimate the verification agency that the job applicant in question did not work in your company was consistent with your personal values. Therefore, there is no need to take on a guilt trip. Millions get job without resorting to deceit of any kind then why this person is not getting. Instead of improving his employability he is interested to get job through falsification. If that job candidate falsified information then that is his problem and not yours. Feel sorry for while and move on.
Thanks,
Dinesh Divekar
From India, Bangalore
7884Your decision to intimate the verification agency that the job applicant in question did not work in your company was consistent with your personal values. Therefore, there is no need to take on a guilt trip. Millions get job without resorting to deceit of any kind then why this person is not getting. Instead of improving his employability he is interested to get job through falsification. If that job candidate falsified information then that is his problem and not yours. Feel sorry for while and move on.
Thanks,
Dinesh Divekar
From India, Bangalore
Hello T2india,
While concurring with Dinesh Divekar, let me also expand on what he mentioned & suggested.
In Sanskrit, there are TWO related words that I usually bear in-mind while weighing the options in similar situations that you are in now.--'paatra daan' & 'apaatra daan'. Though there are NO EXACT equivalents in English, the nearest would be 'deserving' & 'undeserving'. While these words have a connection with the general Karma theory & I can get into it to explain @ a deeper level, I don't think that's the point here.
Applying to your situation, do you think having pity or planning to help [pl note that HIS definition of 'help' could be different from mine or your's or Dinesh Divekar's or others'] this guy is right?
Coming to your query "Can I help him any way?"--I think you ALREADY have helped him--to make him take responsibility for the consequences of his actions. If that's not clear, let me explain.
Assuming you feel the pangs of guilt [like Dinesh Divekar mentioned] for having caused to forfeit a job for this guy & you now intend to give a WRONG report [that he worked in your Company] the next time an employee verification request comes to you, do you think he will stop @ that? In a way, it is more likely to become a habit for him & @ some point of time in his career he will get caught & WHAT IF it leads to you & your Company? Do you wish to risk YOUR reputation for such a guy & MORE importantly for such a cause? Whether it ACTUALLY happens or not isn't the issue--WHAT IF it happens--can you take it? I surely cannot guarantee that it won't.
It's your call.
ANY & EVERY big scam/crime begins with small actions that either don't get caught OR are condoned [for whatever reasons]. I guess you don't have to go very far to find analogies & examples for this aspect of human psychology.
It would have been a different matter IF he had given the facts of his situation BEFORE this blew-up. Maybe then you could have taken a more lenient view.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
While concurring with Dinesh Divekar, let me also expand on what he mentioned & suggested.
In Sanskrit, there are TWO related words that I usually bear in-mind while weighing the options in similar situations that you are in now.--'paatra daan' & 'apaatra daan'. Though there are NO EXACT equivalents in English, the nearest would be 'deserving' & 'undeserving'. While these words have a connection with the general Karma theory & I can get into it to explain @ a deeper level, I don't think that's the point here.
Applying to your situation, do you think having pity or planning to help [pl note that HIS definition of 'help' could be different from mine or your's or Dinesh Divekar's or others'] this guy is right?
Coming to your query "Can I help him any way?"--I think you ALREADY have helped him--to make him take responsibility for the consequences of his actions. If that's not clear, let me explain.
Assuming you feel the pangs of guilt [like Dinesh Divekar mentioned] for having caused to forfeit a job for this guy & you now intend to give a WRONG report [that he worked in your Company] the next time an employee verification request comes to you, do you think he will stop @ that? In a way, it is more likely to become a habit for him & @ some point of time in his career he will get caught & WHAT IF it leads to you & your Company? Do you wish to risk YOUR reputation for such a guy & MORE importantly for such a cause? Whether it ACTUALLY happens or not isn't the issue--WHAT IF it happens--can you take it? I surely cannot guarantee that it won't.
It's your call.
ANY & EVERY big scam/crime begins with small actions that either don't get caught OR are condoned [for whatever reasons]. I guess you don't have to go very far to find analogies & examples for this aspect of human psychology.
It would have been a different matter IF he had given the facts of his situation BEFORE this blew-up. Maybe then you could have taken a more lenient view.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
The fact that the employee lied openly is unacceptable.
Do not help him.
Jugaadu attitude of our people needs to be checked before it goes out of hand further with negative implication for the moral fibre of the nation.
From India, Pune
Do not help him.
Jugaadu attitude of our people needs to be checked before it goes out of hand further with negative implication for the moral fibre of the nation.
From India, Pune
You have justified your job.............HR people are suppose to give correct information while verification ......You do not know who this person is and before giving your reference why didn't this person come and speak to you..........I find no point in saving a strangers job.....
From India, Gangtok
From India, Gangtok
I do not know why you ask this question at all? Did you have any other option than replying in negative? On what basis you want to help him? A 'yes' would have cause the legal action against you also jeopardizing your career. Forget and move on.
From India, New Delhi
From India, New Delhi
Hello Rt05thakur,
Sometimes it does happen to people--under different circumstances & situations.
So it may not be appropriate to query/rebuke T2india about raising the query at all.
A sort of 'thinking thru the heart' when 'thinking thru the head' is needed & vice-versa.
More than 'doing the right thing', I think it's important for T2india to know the "WHY" part of the situation.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Sometimes it does happen to people--under different circumstances & situations.
So it may not be appropriate to query/rebuke T2india about raising the query at all.
A sort of 'thinking thru the heart' when 'thinking thru the head' is needed & vice-versa.
More than 'doing the right thing', I think it's important for T2india to know the "WHY" part of the situation.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Dear T2India,
It would have been a different story for you, if he had approached to you (through some reference, or something like that), & requested for a reference, upfront putting the experience details in the CV.
Though, morally it would have been still incorrect to falsify the information, so he could build his career on this false premise.
Just this weekend, in Sakal newspaper, i read an article about a person who falsified his educational information while getting a job & it haunts him in his few years of career. This guy has changed jobs frequently in the fright that he would get caught. He seeks help from the educational institute to correct his educational background, but now it is legally not possible. He has to take psychiatric consultations to get peace of mind & He may take the matter to court just because he wants to get rid of his guilt (prayashchitta).
These are rare cases, but they happen…..
Generally the organizations would just reject such candidates & go on…. But if this organization is pursuing legal action, that means they have already signed some contract with him.
The person had to understand the gravity of signing such contracts, before falsifying the information….
So, in my opinion, his career issues are no more due to your rejection, but his own risks… :-)
Best Regards,
Amod.
It would have been a different story for you, if he had approached to you (through some reference, or something like that), & requested for a reference, upfront putting the experience details in the CV.
Though, morally it would have been still incorrect to falsify the information, so he could build his career on this false premise.
Just this weekend, in Sakal newspaper, i read an article about a person who falsified his educational information while getting a job & it haunts him in his few years of career. This guy has changed jobs frequently in the fright that he would get caught. He seeks help from the educational institute to correct his educational background, but now it is legally not possible. He has to take psychiatric consultations to get peace of mind & He may take the matter to court just because he wants to get rid of his guilt (prayashchitta).
These are rare cases, but they happen…..
Generally the organizations would just reject such candidates & go on…. But if this organization is pursuing legal action, that means they have already signed some contract with him.
The person had to understand the gravity of signing such contracts, before falsifying the information….
So, in my opinion, his career issues are no more due to your rejection, but his own risks… :-)
Best Regards,
Amod.
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