Dear All,
I cm working in Medi Fir as Sr.Executive HR.I am independently Handling mumbai team. In our org one sr manager finance got promoted as CFO defaulty. We used to call him by his name,because he is very arrogant & lots of attitude.dont know how to speak with female employee.
He will never give us any mail regarding his leave and comp off.He directly send it to Delhi office.He call me up and say u supposed to call me sir.I say i used to speak my boss on his name.And if I want to call to you sir its resepct from heart....
Pl tell me how to handle this situation .how much its worth to call him sir ??? or its very imp to call sir.I think if senior is your age its better to call him by name.Tell me how i will ract with him next time.
I dont want to call him sir.I am senior as per exp in currant org.
Pl give ur valuable suggestion.
Regards,
Jayashree
From India, Mumbai
6I cm working in Medi Fir as Sr.Executive HR.I am independently Handling mumbai team. In our org one sr manager finance got promoted as CFO defaulty. We used to call him by his name,because he is very arrogant & lots of attitude.dont know how to speak with female employee.
He will never give us any mail regarding his leave and comp off.He directly send it to Delhi office.He call me up and say u supposed to call me sir.I say i used to speak my boss on his name.And if I want to call to you sir its resepct from heart....
Pl tell me how to handle this situation .how much its worth to call him sir ??? or its very imp to call sir.I think if senior is your age its better to call him by name.Tell me how i will ract with him next time.
I dont want to call him sir.I am senior as per exp in currant org.
Pl give ur valuable suggestion.
Regards,
Jayashree
From India, Mumbai
Dear Jayashree,
Just think that his name is "Sir" and then call him that. That way he will not get offended and you won't feel bad.
It all depends upon the company's culture. When I worked for a firm, even the area manager was being addressed as "sir" or Mr.... and not by his first name. However, in the university, I used to address the VC by his first name.
Are you senior to him by position or rank too or just by the number of years of work?
Have a nice day.
Simhan
A retired academic in the UK
From United Kingdom
Just think that his name is "Sir" and then call him that. That way he will not get offended and you won't feel bad.
It all depends upon the company's culture. When I worked for a firm, even the area manager was being addressed as "sir" or Mr.... and not by his first name. However, in the university, I used to address the VC by his first name.
Are you senior to him by position or rank too or just by the number of years of work?
Have a nice day.
Simhan
A retired academic in the UK
From United Kingdom
Dear Ms. Jayashree
I second to Mr. simhan.
further i would like to say that whether you call your CFO as sir or not but do respect him from the bottom of your heart as you have to build relationship as long as you all work under one roof.....
Be OPTIMISTIC/THINK POSITIVE all the time....and don't let your EGO destroy your PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIP @ WORKPLACE. Be FLEXIBLE.
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
I second to Mr. simhan.
further i would like to say that whether you call your CFO as sir or not but do respect him from the bottom of your heart as you have to build relationship as long as you all work under one roof.....
Be OPTIMISTIC/THINK POSITIVE all the time....and don't let your EGO destroy your PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIP @ WORKPLACE. Be FLEXIBLE.
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
Hi,
You are HR person and you have hesitate to say Sir to your seniors, quite Surprised , see why do company recruits Qualified HR person not only for Manpower record keeping, but bridging the gap between employee and employer and make the working environment so conducive that each and every one deliver desirable results, Got My point.
In your case as you are the single HR in Mumbai Division and you are only a Sr. Executive that means you are juniors from him. i don't think if you say Sir to him your status will decrease.
See in our personnel life we respect our elders from our hearts accordingly when you are working in company this is your working home, where you learn to survive and have to respect each and every one like senior, peers, colleague and your subordinate, for this reason, every company has hierarchical structure for work. If don't, there will be no designation and no need for HR person.
Have a Nice day,......................
From India
You are HR person and you have hesitate to say Sir to your seniors, quite Surprised , see why do company recruits Qualified HR person not only for Manpower record keeping, but bridging the gap between employee and employer and make the working environment so conducive that each and every one deliver desirable results, Got My point.
In your case as you are the single HR in Mumbai Division and you are only a Sr. Executive that means you are juniors from him. i don't think if you say Sir to him your status will decrease.
See in our personnel life we respect our elders from our hearts accordingly when you are working in company this is your working home, where you learn to survive and have to respect each and every one like senior, peers, colleague and your subordinate, for this reason, every company has hierarchical structure for work. If don't, there will be no designation and no need for HR person.
Have a Nice day,......................
From India
Hi Jayashree,
Well first I buy the statement of Mr. Simhan, its depend on the culture of a company but one thing I don’t understand is that you used to call him by his name and just because of you found him very arrogant & he have lots of attitude, thts it? This is the reason of your this attitude/behavior that you used to call him by his name and my dear Jayashree this statement of yours is also showing that you are an arrogant person too and have lots of attitude. Hope you wont mind this but your statements is showing here the same.
I means what is harm in calling/addressing your Male Seniors/ Boss by “SIR” though we all know that in a sense of man of professional authority, we spelled “SIR” to a Senior person like we do for a man of social authority for a GENTELEMAN and we are discussing about a professional etiquettes.
See perhaps you have worked earlier with an Organisation where you found different culture and you were permitted to call your male seniors by their names but with your present company you are not permitted and you must follow the culture of your present company methinks.
Also Senior is senior whether he/she have respect for others or not and this is a different matter altogether, you should respect to your seniors atleast.
He is arrogant and showing lots of attitude, not informing you about his leave etc. but you know that he is not supposed to repot you as he is not your junior or say you are not his Superior/BOSS directly.
You said you are senior to him by experience but my dear you must understand that designation/position of a authority matter a lot. You are an HR official and I can expect from you to understand this …
I was in the little smilliar situation with my last employer where I used to call my seniors by their name but with my current employment, I found different culture but it doesn’t mean that I supposed to call my seniors/boss by their name here with the excuse that I used to call my seniors by their name with my last job. No one is gonna buy this and will definitely admonished if I’ll do that.
I buy your statement “And if I want to call to you sir its respect from heart..” but can’t accept that you are not giving him respect and doing the same thing as he is doing with you. This is not the way to tackle this problem or don’t make sense anyway.
Also now he got promoted and bcm CFO of your Organisation means more senior to you and you have to be more respective to him otherwise you need to be ready to face the consequences…
Hope you’d understand what im intended to say here ….and Jayashree one more thing, please avoid your communication with him as much as you can..but be respective to him. I beg your pardon if my statements made you feel bad or something.
From India, Gurgaon
Dear Ms. Jayashree
In our India If you have money and influence in any University Level you can buy a Honorary Doctor Title, as like the Politicians purchase the same.
But In British, "Sir" is the title given to those excelling in their field.
Whereas In India, we are using Sir to call those who are elders, seniors and superiors which is the short form of S-Stupid, I-Idiot, R-Rascal (in a funny way). You can have it in your mind while calling the incompetent persons who are not deserving to be called as Sir, for them, the Second abbreviated form of SIR only you are using.
You can give some pressure in the SIR while calling such people.
What to do Jayashree, We have to survive in this world of SIRs.
That's the reason I used to tell my subordinates not to call me Sir and they can add a simple Mr. In front of my name while calling to show their respect.
From India, Kumbakonam
In our India If you have money and influence in any University Level you can buy a Honorary Doctor Title, as like the Politicians purchase the same.
But In British, "Sir" is the title given to those excelling in their field.
Whereas In India, we are using Sir to call those who are elders, seniors and superiors which is the short form of S-Stupid, I-Idiot, R-Rascal (in a funny way). You can have it in your mind while calling the incompetent persons who are not deserving to be called as Sir, for them, the Second abbreviated form of SIR only you are using.
You can give some pressure in the SIR while calling such people.
What to do Jayashree, We have to survive in this world of SIRs.
That's the reason I used to tell my subordinates not to call me Sir and they can add a simple Mr. In front of my name while calling to show their respect.
From India, Kumbakonam
Hi Dear Readers
With reference to the above wonderful discussion, I have a related query.
If Male Seniors are to be addressed as "Sirs" , what shall be the title for Female Seniors ?? Please advise
Thanks and Best Wishes
From Kuwait, Salmiya
With reference to the above wonderful discussion, I have a related query.
If Male Seniors are to be addressed as "Sirs" , what shall be the title for Female Seniors ?? Please advise
Thanks and Best Wishes
From Kuwait, Salmiya
Madam or 'Mam' for short. Kindly see When should one stop using 'SIR' for older men? [Archive] - Straight Dope Message Board and http://www.dailywritingtips.com/maam...l-colonialism/ they throw some light onhow culture and norms play a part. Both found at http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy...iw=975&bih=506 I do not know whether the programme Judge Judy is shown in India. I recall that she addresses the persons involved in the cae as "sir" at times.
When we were attending a German language class (50 years ago), the teacher had told us, "when in Germany, do not take liberty; address men as Herr xxxx (Mr. xxxx) unless they tell you to do other otherwise".
Have a nice day.
Simhan
A retired academic in the UK
From United Kingdom
When we were attending a German language class (50 years ago), the teacher had told us, "when in Germany, do not take liberty; address men as Herr xxxx (Mr. xxxx) unless they tell you to do other otherwise".
Have a nice day.
Simhan
A retired academic in the UK
From United Kingdom
Western companies follow the culture of calling by name. But in India, we call as Sir for seniors as most of the seniors expect the title Sir to be used. Pon
From India, Lucknow
From India, Lucknow
I have worked in the west for 40 years+. Even here it depends upon the company and its culture. One can only say, in general, it is not universal. Usually, British firms are more conservative than the American ones. I have no experience or knowledge of French or German firms.
Please see my post in this thread.
From United Kingdom
Please see my post in this thread.
From United Kingdom
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