Some ppl are again comparing the work culture of Gulf region with respect to India. I put it very bluntly.
Gulf economy is not dependent on the local workers but on expats. The locals are liabilities to the companies or organisations. The locals under the quota system comes to work as per their wish and leave frequently under the guise of prayers. Most of the Pvt companies just engage them for the sake of fulfilling the govt rules but in actual many companies are dependent on expats who scrupulously work there. I was in Gulf for 3 yrs and seized of the work culture of local workforce. If expats leave abruptly, those countries will come to grinding halt.
Pon
From India, Lucknow
604Gulf economy is not dependent on the local workers but on expats. The locals are liabilities to the companies or organisations. The locals under the quota system comes to work as per their wish and leave frequently under the guise of prayers. Most of the Pvt companies just engage them for the sake of fulfilling the govt rules but in actual many companies are dependent on expats who scrupulously work there. I was in Gulf for 3 yrs and seized of the work culture of local workforce. If expats leave abruptly, those countries will come to grinding halt.
Pon
From India, Lucknow
Though it is not specifically mentioned in any employement agreement, but it is very clear from the working hour policy in most of the organisations that any activity which is not related to defined official work is considred as personal activity and personal activities are not allowed during working hours, before after & during lunch break personal activities are allowed without utilising organisation's resources. Also in some business activities it is required to bill customer on T & M model which requires vendor to bill their customer on the number of hours worked by the employee for that customer, time spen for personal activities can not be billed to the customer.
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
I am from Pakistan which is an islamic state as you all know. We do provide a specif place for all employees to offer prayers if they wish. If we are in General Shift, the time of Zuhar prayers comes that is covered in the lunch time i.e. 1:00 to 2:00 p.m. and employee must have his / her lunch and prayer by that time. For Asar in evening, 10 minutes are given but employee makes sure that his job is not hurt and he also understands it that prayer should not be excuse. Likewise other prayers, a specific time is there and people are back to their work after performing prayers. I agree with the others suggestions that speak with the concerned directly that their such time off is affecting some company rules and all good employees and good empolyers will make efforts to reach a decision based on win - win situtation.
regards
Irfan
From India, Delhi
regards
Irfan
From India, Delhi
Hi
You have to notice that they only goes two time during the day, first between 1-2 and 4-6. How much time they consumed you can ask them to work, and i belive they will definetly agree to it. for Salah(namaz) usally it will be 15-20min only. No one go for namaz just for killing the time, infact if you notice majority of Muslim do not offer namaz.
Regards
your friend in Islam
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
You have to notice that they only goes two time during the day, first between 1-2 and 4-6. How much time they consumed you can ask them to work, and i belive they will definetly agree to it. for Salah(namaz) usally it will be 15-20min only. No one go for namaz just for killing the time, infact if you notice majority of Muslim do not offer namaz.
Regards
your friend in Islam
From United Arab Emirates, Dubai
While people can enjoy their religious freedom, nothing in any law says the concerned employee is allowed to take liberties during work time.
During scheduled breaks they can say their prayers. No one is allowed additional time apart from breaks fir that. If someone is so religious as to need half hour five times a day to say prayers, he or she should not be working.
I have seen muslim employees in my clients office. They say namaaz on friday for which they have asked for a delay in lunch time on Friday for them, and return within the lunch time. In another office I know 4 of them share a cab to quickly go to the nearest mosque and back to manage within the allotted time.
My own driver is Muslim. He checks my schedule in the morning on the days he needs to offer namaaz and schedules his prayers within that time available (when he is idle and I am in office). For my part, on such days i try to delay or prepone travel if possible as a matter of goodwill, but if it's not possible, too bad. He has taken up a job knowing the terms of his employment.
Please remember that if you allow this to happen, you may have a Hindu employee asking to be allowed to say his prayers. I know aarti can go on for an hour if someone wants.
Also realise that if this escalates, the company will avoid recruiting from the particular community, which harms the community in the end, for the sake of a few persons taking undue advantage of religious freedom.
From India, Mumbai
During scheduled breaks they can say their prayers. No one is allowed additional time apart from breaks fir that. If someone is so religious as to need half hour five times a day to say prayers, he or she should not be working.
I have seen muslim employees in my clients office. They say namaaz on friday for which they have asked for a delay in lunch time on Friday for them, and return within the lunch time. In another office I know 4 of them share a cab to quickly go to the nearest mosque and back to manage within the allotted time.
My own driver is Muslim. He checks my schedule in the morning on the days he needs to offer namaaz and schedules his prayers within that time available (when he is idle and I am in office). For my part, on such days i try to delay or prepone travel if possible as a matter of goodwill, but if it's not possible, too bad. He has taken up a job knowing the terms of his employment.
Please remember that if you allow this to happen, you may have a Hindu employee asking to be allowed to say his prayers. I know aarti can go on for an hour if someone wants.
Also realise that if this escalates, the company will avoid recruiting from the particular community, which harms the community in the end, for the sake of a few persons taking undue advantage of religious freedom.
From India, Mumbai
Dear Ms. Saswatabanerjee,
You are adviced to refrain from giving unethical statements "If someone is so religious as to need half hour five times a day to say prayers, he or she should not be working." For your kind information there are people who pray during the night while others are snoring, but still manage to be on time in their office.
I would be glad if you are more practical in your writings. I am requesting you to please try to understand the IMPORTANCE OF 5 TIME PRAYERS in ISLAAM and PRAYERS in other RELIGIONS. PRAYER has a specific meaning and SPECIFIC PURPOSE. Once you had understood, then you can write anything you wish.
In every religion, you will find different kind of people. Few pray every day, few pray once in a week and few use to pray once in a while, free pray as per their wish and there are examples who never use to pray at all.
You are welcome to post your comments, suggestions, views but not provoke RELIGIOUS ISSUES which are the most sensitive TOPIC in this world.
Please do understand your LIMITS/BOUNDARIES before you write anything. I do understand that we are living in world where we have to FREEDOM TO SPEAK/WRITE but "WE DON'T HAVE FREEDOM CREATE ISSUES, HARM INDIVIDUALS OR PROVOKE ANYTHING THAT COULD LEAD TO DISASTER"
It's my sincere appeal to members of this forum to consider this option before we post COMMENT, SUGGESTIONS, VIEWS, etc related to RELIGION.
Kindly don't mistake/misinterpret my views/suggestions/advice in your favour.
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
You are adviced to refrain from giving unethical statements "If someone is so religious as to need half hour five times a day to say prayers, he or she should not be working." For your kind information there are people who pray during the night while others are snoring, but still manage to be on time in their office.
I would be glad if you are more practical in your writings. I am requesting you to please try to understand the IMPORTANCE OF 5 TIME PRAYERS in ISLAAM and PRAYERS in other RELIGIONS. PRAYER has a specific meaning and SPECIFIC PURPOSE. Once you had understood, then you can write anything you wish.
In every religion, you will find different kind of people. Few pray every day, few pray once in a week and few use to pray once in a while, free pray as per their wish and there are examples who never use to pray at all.
You are welcome to post your comments, suggestions, views but not provoke RELIGIOUS ISSUES which are the most sensitive TOPIC in this world.
Please do understand your LIMITS/BOUNDARIES before you write anything. I do understand that we are living in world where we have to FREEDOM TO SPEAK/WRITE but "WE DON'T HAVE FREEDOM CREATE ISSUES, HARM INDIVIDUALS OR PROVOKE ANYTHING THAT COULD LEAD TO DISASTER"
It's my sincere appeal to members of this forum to consider this option before we post COMMENT, SUGGESTIONS, VIEWS, etc related to RELIGION.
Kindly don't mistake/misinterpret my views/suggestions/advice in your favour.
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
Muslims should understand that we live in a Secular country where People from other religions go out of their way to accommodate Muslim sentiments, hence muslims should not make such big issues about prayers
and worst of all, never to exploit this facility if given in whatever form.
If duty to God is important, so is duty to the country and duty towards the Company that provides employment.
Prayers should be adjusted within the lunch/tea/coffee break timings, without making a hue and cry about it.
There is nothing great about Gulf countries/ Saudi Arabia since they are extremely discriminatory in their dealings with human beings. As such they consider Indian Muslims like 'B' Grade Muslims. We don't need to follow their example.
Muslims should respect the work culture of whichever organisation they work for and keep religion in their private domain only.
Riyaz Khan
From India, Delhi
and worst of all, never to exploit this facility if given in whatever form.
If duty to God is important, so is duty to the country and duty towards the Company that provides employment.
Prayers should be adjusted within the lunch/tea/coffee break timings, without making a hue and cry about it.
There is nothing great about Gulf countries/ Saudi Arabia since they are extremely discriminatory in their dealings with human beings. As such they consider Indian Muslims like 'B' Grade Muslims. We don't need to follow their example.
Muslims should respect the work culture of whichever organisation they work for and keep religion in their private domain only.
Riyaz Khan
From India, Delhi
hello,
///I would be glad if you are more practical in your writings. I am requesting you to please try to understand the IMPORTANCE OF 5 TIME PRAYERS in ISLAAM and PRAYERS in other RELIGIONS. PRAYER has a specific meaning and SPECIFIC PURPOSE. Once you had understood, then you can write anything you wish.
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if it is that much important u have to join in a muslim organisation. law should be equal for every one. In an office, if other persons cannot take even a fifteen minits in office time for their personal work how only muslims can take office time in the name of religious. your prayers and religion is completely your personal. you should not spoil office times for the same and in daily basis.
From India, Madras
///I would be glad if you are more practical in your writings. I am requesting you to please try to understand the IMPORTANCE OF 5 TIME PRAYERS in ISLAAM and PRAYERS in other RELIGIONS. PRAYER has a specific meaning and SPECIFIC PURPOSE. Once you had understood, then you can write anything you wish.
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if it is that much important u have to join in a muslim organisation. law should be equal for every one. In an office, if other persons cannot take even a fifteen minits in office time for their personal work how only muslims can take office time in the name of religious. your prayers and religion is completely your personal. you should not spoil office times for the same and in daily basis.
From India, Madras
We had a similar situation, wherein some employees wanted to attend a religious lecture for one hour in evening during second shift for 90 days. So, we formally changed their working hours, instead of their shift starting at 2:30pm, they reproted at 1:30pm....and we jointly agreed that there would be no pending work left at the end of the day.....we made them give this request letter and we agreed for that request. No body objected....
You could try something like this.
We have another problem, wherein few employees do not shave/ wear footwear/ wear black dress during 40 days in december janurary. My CEO deosn't like this...but we are quiet as of now.
Regards
Nataraj
From India, Delhi
You could try something like this.
We have another problem, wherein few employees do not shave/ wear footwear/ wear black dress during 40 days in december janurary. My CEO deosn't like this...but we are quiet as of now.
Regards
Nataraj
From India, Delhi
Hi, Guys,
Good morning
On the subject of allowing the employees for offering prayers to religious faiths , the following are to be given a thought.
1. Is it obligatory on the part of the employer / company to allow such prayers during the duty hours?
2. Any of the labour acts stipulated any section or provision giveing time for offering prayers during duty hours?
3. If employees are requesting time to offer prayrs during duty hours, the productiion schedules, availability of time, relation of work of the persons allowed for prayers with the other connectd works or group to be analysed before giving or allowing for prayers. Is it not difficult?
4. If there is no any objection from productioin / other sections that there is no interruption of work / productioin schedules due to the persons allowed for prayers, this can be dissued in details and a schedule to be drawn.
5. The time given for prayers my not be more than 10 to 15 minutes and for this time such employees have to work extra.
6. Over all it is not good practice to allow employees for any prayers during duty hours as we say " WORK IS WORSHIP".
7. During Lunch break of 30 mts as stipulated under Factories Act, the persons wants to avail prayer can go for prayer for 15 mits and the remaining periodd can had their lunch and go for work without disturbing any work achedules and other persons.
A.C.Krishnaiah,
Manager - Employee Relations and Development
in an MNC company.
From United States, Piscataway
Good morning
On the subject of allowing the employees for offering prayers to religious faiths , the following are to be given a thought.
1. Is it obligatory on the part of the employer / company to allow such prayers during the duty hours?
2. Any of the labour acts stipulated any section or provision giveing time for offering prayers during duty hours?
3. If employees are requesting time to offer prayrs during duty hours, the productiion schedules, availability of time, relation of work of the persons allowed for prayers with the other connectd works or group to be analysed before giving or allowing for prayers. Is it not difficult?
4. If there is no any objection from productioin / other sections that there is no interruption of work / productioin schedules due to the persons allowed for prayers, this can be dissued in details and a schedule to be drawn.
5. The time given for prayers my not be more than 10 to 15 minutes and for this time such employees have to work extra.
6. Over all it is not good practice to allow employees for any prayers during duty hours as we say " WORK IS WORSHIP".
7. During Lunch break of 30 mts as stipulated under Factories Act, the persons wants to avail prayer can go for prayer for 15 mits and the remaining periodd can had their lunch and go for work without disturbing any work achedules and other persons.
A.C.Krishnaiah,
Manager - Employee Relations and Development
in an MNC company.
From United States, Piscataway
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