:) , cal him as he likes...there are some who dont get respect at him & want to be respected outside .lets do that ...
Actually , now in momdern management there are nothing like sir / juniors ...its by name / associate.
call him as he likes !!!
what i didnt like is the HR policy , policy is common for everyone be it senior management /workforce...otherwise the org cannot be successful !!!
From India, Bangalore
7Actually , now in momdern management there are nothing like sir / juniors ...its by name / associate.
call him as he likes !!!
what i didnt like is the HR policy , policy is common for everyone be it senior management /workforce...otherwise the org cannot be successful !!!
From India, Bangalore
Hi
By this time you must have read all the nice and elaborate replies given by many members of this site.
Most basic and also important thought I would like to give you is that, maintain your morale.
If you go through any dictionary by meaning will make you more confused. There are are 3-Options for you to decide. Since you are a Senior HR in your Team YOU is the best judge.
1st- Suggestion
Prepare a Directive/Policy on Employees Standard Addressing Procedure in your organisation covering within / outside persons. [As you are working in Medical Firm, you must have addressed many as 'Doctor' (that is also a pseudonym)] and take necessary approvals.... this would make you to feel better psychologically and no problem by following implemented rules.
2nd- Suggestion
See since mid fourteenth century the world is using the word 'Sir', also there are many other synonym forms in all Indian languages. No doubt this word has taken its place in India when English speaking western countries entered India.
You also must know that there was no such history when persons were called by their given names like Mr.XYZ in one's working place than with equal portfolio; it was only used in US to address prominent persons who hold their office like Mr. President, Mr Governor Etc.
Even in Military services address a person 'Sir' is not to a person one but for the Rank one holds.
We generally call even an unknown person (may be an elderly looking one) as 'Sir', that only shows our politeness and humbleness. Though the referred person by you must have worked in parallel to you but had taken a higher position in the hierarchy, so at least that position must be address as 'Sir'.
I would like to say that all these addressing methods are only recognising every human as human with respect in this world social system. Organisations are part of our society.
Lastly, when a person has a granting power for some things also has the power to prohibit. So one must understand the classical system in formation of our system and there by addressing protocols.
3rd-Suggestion (not advisable)
Since you are not directly working under him (Accounts Dept) and can not force you to call him as 'Sir' personally and also legally - until unless it is recorded as a policy of addressing in your Organisation. But you may call him CFO-Sir. But beware he may wait for a chance to complain against you to higher management, in some situations be ready for a 'catch me if you can' game in the Office. I think this would make your place of work as tensed and keep a second career option ready.
Members expect your decision too… Best of Luck.
By this time you must have read all the nice and elaborate replies given by many members of this site.
Most basic and also important thought I would like to give you is that, maintain your morale.
If you go through any dictionary by meaning will make you more confused. There are are 3-Options for you to decide. Since you are a Senior HR in your Team YOU is the best judge.
1st- Suggestion
Prepare a Directive/Policy on Employees Standard Addressing Procedure in your organisation covering within / outside persons. [As you are working in Medical Firm, you must have addressed many as 'Doctor' (that is also a pseudonym)] and take necessary approvals.... this would make you to feel better psychologically and no problem by following implemented rules.
2nd- Suggestion
See since mid fourteenth century the world is using the word 'Sir', also there are many other synonym forms in all Indian languages. No doubt this word has taken its place in India when English speaking western countries entered India.
You also must know that there was no such history when persons were called by their given names like Mr.XYZ in one's working place than with equal portfolio; it was only used in US to address prominent persons who hold their office like Mr. President, Mr Governor Etc.
Even in Military services address a person 'Sir' is not to a person one but for the Rank one holds.
We generally call even an unknown person (may be an elderly looking one) as 'Sir', that only shows our politeness and humbleness. Though the referred person by you must have worked in parallel to you but had taken a higher position in the hierarchy, so at least that position must be address as 'Sir'.
I would like to say that all these addressing methods are only recognising every human as human with respect in this world social system. Organisations are part of our society.
Lastly, when a person has a granting power for some things also has the power to prohibit. So one must understand the classical system in formation of our system and there by addressing protocols.
3rd-Suggestion (not advisable)
Since you are not directly working under him (Accounts Dept) and can not force you to call him as 'Sir' personally and also legally - until unless it is recorded as a policy of addressing in your Organisation. But you may call him CFO-Sir. But beware he may wait for a chance to complain against you to higher management, in some situations be ready for a 'catch me if you can' game in the Office. I think this would make your place of work as tensed and keep a second career option ready.
Members expect your decision too… Best of Luck.
From India, Warangal
Dear Jayashree,
Reference your query, an old anecdote comes to mind.
The National Defence Academy (NDA), was earlier called the Joint Services Wing (JSW). During those days we still had some British Drill Instructors at the JSW. Today we have instructors from the Indian Army whom we call 'Sahab'. Those days they were called 'Sir'. In return the instructors use the same term of address for the cadets.
So, one Seargent Major Ailing, while addressing a fresh course of cadets at the JSW drill square, in his opening remarks said: "Gentlemen from today I will call you Sir and you will call me Sir. The only difference is 'I DON'T MEAN IT'!"
Get the point?
So go ahead and call him Sir, even if you don't like or respect him. But if you can like/respect him it'll be easier on you.
Good luck.
Colonel Gahlot
From India, Delhi
Reference your query, an old anecdote comes to mind.
The National Defence Academy (NDA), was earlier called the Joint Services Wing (JSW). During those days we still had some British Drill Instructors at the JSW. Today we have instructors from the Indian Army whom we call 'Sahab'. Those days they were called 'Sir'. In return the instructors use the same term of address for the cadets.
So, one Seargent Major Ailing, while addressing a fresh course of cadets at the JSW drill square, in his opening remarks said: "Gentlemen from today I will call you Sir and you will call me Sir. The only difference is 'I DON'T MEAN IT'!"
Get the point?
So go ahead and call him Sir, even if you don't like or respect him. But if you can like/respect him it'll be easier on you.
Good luck.
Colonel Gahlot
From India, Delhi
Jayashree,
beware of these people...... call him sir and satisfy his ego if u r also aged otherwise be prepared to go through all hell and u will be again writing in this forum asking for help to get u a job...... and what is wrong in calling anybody "sir" senior or junior..... sir is simply the opposite of madam.... i hv seen many people call madam even a girl who is 18 and 19 yrs old...let me tell u..my wife calls my driver 'sir'.... she calls everybody including newspaper vendor and milk supplier 'sir'... and i see everybody is pleased and respect her very much....... nothing wrong... if he has big ego to tell u that u shud call him sir.... u seem to hv bigger ego not to call him sir.......
From India, Bangalore
beware of these people...... call him sir and satisfy his ego if u r also aged otherwise be prepared to go through all hell and u will be again writing in this forum asking for help to get u a job...... and what is wrong in calling anybody "sir" senior or junior..... sir is simply the opposite of madam.... i hv seen many people call madam even a girl who is 18 and 19 yrs old...let me tell u..my wife calls my driver 'sir'.... she calls everybody including newspaper vendor and milk supplier 'sir'... and i see everybody is pleased and respect her very much....... nothing wrong... if he has big ego to tell u that u shud call him sir.... u seem to hv bigger ego not to call him sir.......
From India, Bangalore
I do not quite understand what on earth this brouhaha all about. I will only second to simhan. It all depends on the company culture. I work for an MNC where in the director takes offense on being addressed as Sir (Mind you, he was a Colonel serving in the Indian Army in his previous life). So do as they say "When in Rome do as the Romans do". All the best.
From United States, San Francisco
From United States, San Francisco
Hi,
as you have written that "We used to call him by his name,because he is very arrogant & lots of attitude.dont know how to speak with female employee. He will never give us any mail regarding his leave and comp off."
considering above points, whatever position he has, he has to speak very politely with any female employees,
keep one point that person should be high with his personnel quality not with his designation then only we will have respect for him from bottom of our heart.
for Example- Hitlar was chancellor of germeny (high in Designation) & Mahatma gandhi never asked for president ship (high in personnel quality).
Many Thanks, Vasudev.
From India, Bangalore
as you have written that "We used to call him by his name,because he is very arrogant & lots of attitude.dont know how to speak with female employee. He will never give us any mail regarding his leave and comp off."
considering above points, whatever position he has, he has to speak very politely with any female employees,
keep one point that person should be high with his personnel quality not with his designation then only we will have respect for him from bottom of our heart.
for Example- Hitlar was chancellor of germeny (high in Designation) & Mahatma gandhi never asked for president ship (high in personnel quality).
Many Thanks, Vasudev.
From India, Bangalore
Hi Readers
Thanks for so much inputs.
"Respect all, irrespective of age and position; be a good human being for becoming better professionals".
At the end of day, we all are human beings. All human beings are not perfect, accept those also who are imperfect. Respect them as well, which may some time look inappropriate to you.
Calling some one by Sir or Madam, in my opinion opens up the door of communication automatically, irrespective of the culture of the organization. Opening the door of communication is of great importance.
Thanks
Ranjeet Singh
From India, Jamshedpur
Thanks for so much inputs.
"Respect all, irrespective of age and position; be a good human being for becoming better professionals".
At the end of day, we all are human beings. All human beings are not perfect, accept those also who are imperfect. Respect them as well, which may some time look inappropriate to you.
Calling some one by Sir or Madam, in my opinion opens up the door of communication automatically, irrespective of the culture of the organization. Opening the door of communication is of great importance.
Thanks
Ranjeet Singh
From India, Jamshedpur
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